IP

imoutohunter

I’m don’t agree it’s overdone. I think the fact that Google is bypassing Broadcom IP is underplayed. Google is working directly with TSMC and buying discrete IP blocks from MediaTek to reduce their costs. The days of Broadcom earning 60% margins on their Google business is over.

EngRookie

eyyy someone else sees how criminally undervalued NTDOY is😁! if the next 2 movies are a moderate success NTDOY will finally get reevaulated based on an entertainment and IP driven basis and not solely a cyclical hardware basis

Wavertron

Buy China robot Yet to train as useful worker in your widget company Realise it's not very advanced, train it as office cleaner. Robot eavesdrops on all your business conversations and IP, reports to CCP Go bankrupt Train robot to go find a new job so you won't be homeless soon Robot leaves and never returns 3 months later, you see the same robot on TV working for a new Chinese owned widget company.

gianmk

teach me what? i dont have asts or spacex. You could be right that asts is not worth 40b, or it could be worth 100 trillions based off their tech IP, literally could not give a shit. What factual is that they are worth nearly 40b as of this moment and i can tell you it matter a whole lot. Getting a loan with 40b valuation is a whole lot easier than 40m valuation.

Primary_Olive_5444

IBM has cpu stuff/IP as well. I think we can agree, data Center CPU is dominated by x86 and ARM. Broadcom isn’t really there. Whilst accelerated compute, Nvidia gpu and Broadcom TPU. In networking, is Nvidia mellanox and Broadcom tomahawk. And IBM holds tonnes of filed IP, whether you can hit the jackpot in that stack of IP depends on the ability of your engineers, foresight and some luck.

beerion

They just have to outlast everyone else. I don't think they need to reach AGI. They just need to offer enough of a marginally better product that customers choose them. More customers mean more revenue, which means more capital for compute, which means they can expand the performance gap between them and rest of the pack. If this doesn't play out, and there's no winner in the next couple of years, this will be just like the airline industry - capital intensive, commodity product. The fact that anyone with some capital can spin up a model, and the fact that it doesn't seem like there's much IP differentiation - every model seems to be very similar in terms of both training style and data access - leads me to think it'll be the latter (i.e., airlines). So that's the question. Will OpenAI vs Anthropic vs Gemini = Camry vs Accord vs Civic?

itsprodiggi

Netflix should have staying power but it needs growth. They would have had so much damn good IP if they got Warner bros

Present_Comb7630

Just as another point to hammer my personal opinion home: the entirety of Nintendo is valued at 60 billion USD; hardware, IP, personal game store, hardcore fan base, full microtransaction profits. I'm not saying Rockstar doesn't have great IP, microtransactions/subscriptions, retention etc. but they are a studio first, not an entire ecosystem.

ButtExterminator

All china can do is steal others’ IP

SlavaUkrayne

Deepseek guaranteed is stolen IP like everything else tech centric China has made. Even then, if you believe chinas $6mil number, I have a bridge to sell you That being said, I think AI stocks are overbought, there will be a dot-com-bubble sized pullback at some point. Doesn’t change the fact in 10 years AI will run nearly everything we do

Maakus

In simple terms - they design the thing that makes all of the ai processors talk to each other. They also can integrate this directly on the processor, eliminating the need for a lot of copper. They were underpriced/flat for a few months after they bought a AI centric optical company last year. Conservatively on cash flow I see their price at 300 dollars in a year .Mid - 350 dollars a year from now, High - 375. That all said cash flow will change real quick if Google/Meta/AMD require their unique IP and make orders within the year then it'll be a trillion dollar company. That probably won't happen but Broadcom might not meet optical interconnect needs.

21Rollie

Can’t wait for the big companies to fail. Idk what the value proposition even is? Okay you spent $10B training a new model, you want to charge now to make $100B in profit on it. But here comes DeepSeek or some other open source provider, they’ll distill on your model and get 99% of the way there. You complain about it not being fair but all LLMs are built on monumental levels of IP theft, AI generated shit isn’t copyrightable, and good luck enforcing it if it were. Big companies are just throwing money at them because they’re wined and dined by those snake oil salesmen all the time, but eventually it’ll hit the bottom line. If these cheap MFs struggle to say, pay everybody $50/month phone reimbursement, there’s no way they’re gonna swallow $500+/month for every user. And if they expect us to be tweaking and optimizing to get the most efficient token usage ever, where exactly is the time saving they promised?

Argothaught

Hmmm… at first I thought, “wait, what!?” but I think this is actually not a "regarded" question at all. It’s a good observation, especially for a new investor. It seems arbitrary, right? Like folks bidding up cryptocurrency on hopium with nothing anchoring it except demand. With stocks, you essentially own part of a company, regardless of the number of shares. Price discovery has to be based on something. Usually this happens through peoples perspective and sentiment about the company’s future outlook. There’s inherent value there, whether through free cash flow or basic assets (real estate, IP, cash reserves, etc.), etc. With that understanding, the price gets shaped by daily trading and by how investors position themselves, including through options. Options don’t set the price, but they do reflect expectations and can amplify short‑term moves. All of this is based on how people view the company’s current state in relation to its future value. Folks can only ignore fundamentals for so long, usually. But there’s also a host of metrics by which a company’s performance is measured, and these vary across industries. With the abundance of information these days, you’re usually too late or too unaware to get an edge. Things don’t usually move arbitrarily as much as it may seem at first. You just might be missing the details, whether that’s a major contract being canceled or signed, a miss on guidance, or some industry‑specific metric that matters a lot, etc.

harrison_wintergreen

I wouldn't touch Chinese stocks intentially. They might be possible to avoid entirely in some international/global ETFs, but I wouldn't seek them out. It's a totalitarian Communist dictatorship with zero respect for property rights including IP, international accounting standards or basic human rights. IDK why you're restricting yourself to tech stocks, there are good companies all over the world. CGXU is up ~20% this year with a good mix across sectors, for one example.

Iwubinvesting

Yes. It's publicly available information. You just assumed they would want to spin it off, It was a subsidiary to sell 26% of 4 of their IP to Tecent which can be bought later on. Tencent valued the subsidiary at 5billion dollars valuation for that essentially IP backed loan. That's not including rest of Ubisoft IPs. IP is worth what you pay for. Lord of the Rings has fallen off since Lord of The Rings initial theatrical release and the show isn't highly profitable. Total LOTR games sold are like 30m copies all combined. Total AC game sales are 230m all combines. So no, LOTR isn't worth more than all Ubisoft IPs combined. AC is still relevant and people generally pay more to play video games than to watch something. Also, The video game industry is actually much bigger than the movie industry now.

SuspiciousFatCat

Have you got any proof they still own any of the IP's ? last I heard they moved those to a separate corporation assuming so they can spin it off free of the liabilities since its the only valuable part of the business. Also not sure if they are worth anywhere near what you think they are, didn't the Lord of the rings right sell for like 400million? surely Lord of the rings is worth more than all of Ubisoft's IP's put together no?

Few-Chemist-3463

China and stealing IP… they would never

JustinPooDough

I hold shares of Google, and wouldn't bet against them, but... When they say all their data center capacity is allocated, I believe that's mostly AI companies that are allocating that space. IF the current AI narrative fades, I believe we could see a very strong swing downward for GOOGL. That being said, IMO, GOOGL is the best hedge on AI right now. Even if AI rerates lower and we realize that LLM's have hit a scaling wall and agents won't replace white collar (which I believe to be the case - at least from an economic standpoint), GOOGL is a good bet because they **will** survive and likely sweep up the IP of the companies that go under. Same with MSFT. I'm actually fairly confident that either one of or both of OpenAI and Anthropic will be gone in the next 5 years at the very most, and GOOGL, AMZN, and MSFT will likely be the vultures picking at their carcases \*\*cough\*\* IP. **Edit:** I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that this is exactly why Berkshire Hathaway just took such a position in GOOGL. Whether AI wins or loses, GOOGL is going to benefit.

NsRhea

As a gamer I hope they go bankrupt. They dug their grave with literal golden IPs. As an investor I also hope they go bankrupt. They dug their grave and the IP would be handled better by anyone not banned ubisoft or Activision blizzard.

GamermanRPGKing

Ubisoft is all but done for, the Black Flag remake is one of the "smash glass if fire" options they have. It's not even because of middling games that I say they're done for, but how they have been cancelling projects like the Prince of Persia remake. They don't have a real direction and most of their IP is exhausted. Tencent involvement is obviously a red flag but, Ubisoft has been doing the same things for too long and refusing to change anything up.

TehBuckets

As far as I am aware they have no big game in the pipeline for a good while (fact check me on this). Furthermore as you mentioned they are burning cash, consolodating the company and have already made a deal with tencent where they moved a couple of IP’s out to a new company owned by both Ubisoft and Tencent. Horrible management and everything else means that likely for years there is not gonna be a big comeback either. Decent games aren’t gonna cut it they need to release something big and rob a bank to come back from this imo.

AdventurousFinish681

Having amazing IP but not knowing how to leverage for value is like having a 10 inch dick and taking a vow of celibacy

roflator

Yes the pokemon IP is higtly fluctuant and not a reliable IP at all. You are right

Adjective-Noun-nnnn

I've been thinking of it like the self driving car hype. Remember the self driving car hype, guys? Every truck and cab driver in the country was supposed to be unemployed by last year according to the hype artist con men. Did that come true? Are there Waymos operating in every city on Earth? Are they doing so with no human supervision? Huh gee I guess the edge cases were numerous, difficult, and unacceptable. Now look at ChatBots and LLMs. A lot of progress made quickly. Hype clowns telling us it will lead to mass unemployment in every profession. Take a deep breath. They're neat but they're not *revolutionary* and they take a lot of resources--electricity, water, infrastructure, stolen IP, reddit slop, and of course silicon--to run. Is it worth it? We won't know until companies are actually paying--paying full price for what it actually costs so the AI companies can profit and pay back their VC investors.

Ghostman-on-3rd

Nintendo is a bargain. Memory is notorious for going through boom bust cycles. It is definitely a hedge against chips, as when (not if) prices come down, Nintendo's margins will improve. This will likely happen after they raise prices, which they announced for later this year. NO DEBT. CASH COW. Incredible IP. Stock price in the basement below 200 week moving averages. Our parents played Nintendo, we played nintendo, our kids play nintendo, their kids will play nintendo. This one you could buy, disappear on island and come back in 20 years be happy. Whats not to love. Dont over think it.

eetsumkaus

Google is a leader as is Quantinuum. The thing is, even with all these technological developments in the past few years, the field is still in such a state that no one group can take full benefit of their research as a product. So the ultimate benefactor of one company's development may be someone else. Most everyone in the field, including the VC-funded startups, is doing something closer to basic research than industrial R&D simply because most people just won't believe you if you keep too many details tucked away under IP walls. Microsoft's recent majorana claims come to mind. People immediately found their claim of a majorana qubit non-credible due to how many details they kept close to the vest.

Iwubinvesting

Ubisoft unironically. Watch the hate you get everytime you talk about it. The sentiment is highly negative to beyond any levels. The companys IP is worth 4 to 5 billion while the company is worth 700m.

Mustathmir

Nokia's three AI pillars: 1. Optical networks (progress visible already now) 2. IP networks (will start growing from Q2) 3. AI-RAN + related software (the long-term bet)

GoldGlove2720

The OpenAI IP is this year. Trying to do the same thing that happened to SPCE

Mustathmir

AI & Cloud orders grew 67% in Q1 compared to the 2025 quarterly average. And this growth without the order growth in IP networks the CEO has signalled will start this quarter thanks to hyperscaler design wins in Q1. AI & Cloud orders are now growing massively but they will be visible in sales only 12-18 months later in Optical Networks and soomewhat sooner in IP Networks. Thus the transformation is happenoing, but not yet visible in sales: AI & Cloud orders are the early indicator to follow. Additionally, by end of 2026 Nokia will open its InP chip fab which will increase that capacity by about 20x. As the idea is not to sell those components externally as a merchant, that points to massive expected internal demand as part of Nokia's optical products. And finally, we have the AI-RAN story only beginning, this was why NVIDIA invested $1B in Nokia last year.

Sir_Fragles

$VRRM CEO reset is actually bullish af. Interim dude is transformation + legal, aka exactly who you want after Avis: contracts, customers, cost cuts, IP, execution. Board basically put the fixer in the chair. This thing already prints cash, has gov contracts cooking, MOSAIC savings coming, and now they got a guy whose whole job is to tighten the machine. Second growth phase loading imo.

HeftyCompetition9218

What looks concerning is that while LLMs have certainly captured many of our imaginations in terms of engagement with ChatGPT initially, or making cool images in a few minutes, coding using Claude, or recklessly messing with OpenClaw etc, I think a lot of this was created using GANs. That’s really neat but it’s not AGI. It’s cool in how useful it can be but a company is better off training its own on its own product and not handing over any previous IP to any of the hyperscalers that frankly, are highly vulnerable I think, to being integrated into the US government should that fancy take hold.

eetsumkaus

I'm in the space. Do NOT put money on QC stocks unless you have an appetite for rolling the dice. The technology isn't settled yet and just about everyone is making a play for IP creation. Quantinuum is one of the leaders but doesn't mean a whole lot at this stage.

ClarkFable

And no regulator on earth will let that happen.  They also don’t own the right IP to be competitive at the upper end

statisticalmean

I don’t really buy this whole narrative, which is going to get me downvoted here. Obviously we are all just talking out of our asses when we predict what people are thinking, or what the price of any given stock is going to do. But, a few points I’d make / arguments I think are worth addressing * The whole “they’re changing the rules just for Elon” is only half true in my opinion. Yes, they are changing the rules. But traditionally IPOs happened when companies are much smaller. SpaceX is already a megacap before going public. That straight up was not a thing in the past. The rules they’re “breaking” weren’t designed for this scenario. Companies stay private longer, and get capital from private sources much more today than they used to. Also, I’m sure they’ll do the same thing for Anthropic and OpenAI when their IPOs come. So the “just for Elon” idea doesn’t hold water. They’re changing the rules because it makes zero sense to apply them to these already-massive companies that weren’t anticipated when the rules were made. * The average person’s 401k being “exit liquidity” argument just doesn’t make sense. This isn’t a meme coin rug pull where the owner sells 100% of his coins in one fell swoop on the market. Only a small fraction of the company is being sold publicly. If the stock is a dud that hurts nobody more than it hurts Elon… he owns the rest of the shares… he doesn’t want them to be worthless… obviously. There is also no “exit” to speak of, so how anything could be described as “exit liquidity” is just plain stupid. Elon is not “exiting” SpaceX. He certainly plans to keep running the company for years and years to come. Possibly (probably) decades to come. * The narrative that “SpaceX is super unprofitable and will never make money to justify its valuation” is not as obvious as people seem to think. Clearly, someone thinks SpaceX will succeed. These are majorly big financial institutions investing major amounts of capital into this company. These people are not morons who throw tens of billions around Willy-nilly at whatever company. Starlink as a business segment is extremely profitable, and makes more than enough money to keep the entire company afloat in the short term. The “unprofitably” comes from the newly-acquired AI business segment which is just getting started. I’d say that Starlink has a pretty big moat considering you need to build an entire SpaceX before you could even try to launch a competitor. * SpaceX’s thesis that the bottleneck in the AI race is physical, not digital (paraphrasing their S1 filing), is probably true. And nobody is better positioned to address that aspect than SpaceX. Call Elon whatever you want, disagree with his politics, whatever. He’s a crazy good engineer. And he’s a crazy good manager of crazy good engineers that work for him. I mean they literally build fucking space rockets and land them and launch them again. There’s no company on earth that’s better suiting to build gigawatt-scale data centers. That’s why the only two in existence were built by SpaceX. The first was built in ~4 months by retrofitting a warehouse. The second was built from the ground up in ~3 months. For reference, data centers 10% of the size usually take like 2 years to build. Oh, and SpaceX does it SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than everyone else. * SpaceX just leased some of their compute to Anthropic for 1.25 BILLION PER MONTH. For 3 years. And that’s only going to increase. And that increase will not be linear. Especially since (as noted above) nobody else is capable (smart enough) to build compute at the scale and cost SpaceX/xAI has proven to. * Grok’s lagging behind other frontier models isn’t necessarily going to stay that way. It might, I’ll admit. Even in that scenario, being the physical atoms that the truly good frontier models and tools (Anthropic, Cursor) run on is already a win. With the immense compute capabilities at the disposal of SpaceX, Grok has a genuine path at becoming competitive. * SpaceX synergies with Elon’s other businesses is a very valuable intangible. The engineering human capital at Tesla, the data at Tesla, the IP at Tesla, the information (valuable training data) of the extremely popular social media website X, the internal access to data from Starlink, etc. These are not small advantages. * The combination of SpaceX going public and being the only compute-unconstrained player in the AI game will create a serious tailwind for Grok to improve and compete with frontier models. The stock-based-compensation that can be thrown at high-level engineers can bring in serious talent. And, serious talent that physically cannot do their work without the necessary compute infrastructure will have literally nowhere else to go but SpaceX to continue pushing the envelope.

MKD8595

I work with CAT equipment. 80% of their business is hoarding IP. They don’t actually build shit, their subsidiaries and contractors do. They won’t send a drawing because THAT’S what their value is built on. People here would know that if they had a fuckin clue lol. But sure, automated moon robots n shit.

Boring_Painting2957

fuk your puts fuk your rug pull we gapping up SPCE SPACE IP ELON

King_Chron

it was cool once upon a time, more like a utility company now with subscription model based and their maps/ multiple dispo menu was once cutting edge... not so much anymore. better for smaller players to pay their fees for direct exposure but their IP has lost a lot of meaningful value this day in age imo

natecoin23

Bought puts from the casino, IP bust here we come!

Thereian

The SMMT results got, for lack of a better word, torn apart by a speaker at ASCO. Lots of pre-readout blinding. Only 7% of patients were women. Trial exclusions remove a substantial amount (half ish?) of US lung cancer population. People aged over 65 or 70 saw no benefit (can’t remember which cutoff), which is a larger proportion of US patients as well. Prediction that OS curve separation will converge in a US population based on the above. Not to mention China data integrity and IP risks.

PolarizingKabal

Those of us old enough to remember the dot com bubble. Warren Buffett was mocked at the time for not investing in it. Because he said he didn't understand it. Turned out a lot of their value came from IP and non-tangable assets. Was basically what they valued their IPs at. Not what the market was actually willing to spend on it. AI reminds me a lot of this.

earthbender06

exactly, this price doesnt hold up till IPÒ

Low-Win-6691

There's no fanboyism here. how do you explain Apple's chips outperforming the competition for the past 10 years? there's a lot more to it than just buying some IP

Adii2311

Yeah well, first off "should i buy the dip monday" this can seriously backfire also. Dont make assumptions about the market, because it can humble you fast. Now your second point, theres a growing consensus among hyperscalers to make their own custom silicon and cut into nvdas super high premiums. They are planning to use synopsys IP and agentengineer tools to speedrun this. Whether they get there is another question but their definitely is the intention. This is on the 5 year horizon. Even if you were right about the thesis, are you saying itll dip monday and just keep going up for 5Y?

weHaveThoughts

All of the space stocks and companies will do well. $RKLB, $SPCE, $FLY, $ASTS. Companies don’t want to put all their eggs in one basket and hand over proprietary IP to Musk, they will go with alternate providers for their rocket trips.

mortymotron

This is an underestimated issue in the GenAI space. Producers of memes and small-audience content aren’t going to care about whether there are potential copyright issues with the AI image or video generation models they use. And to be fair, that’s probably rational for all but the most egregiously abusive people. But the the highly professionalized producers of mass market content do care, and will care. Adobe is aware of and highly sensitive to that. It’s no coincidence that Adobe markets Firefly based in part on the fact that Firefly is trained on content that Adobe either owns (including by recent acquisition) or has licensed for the purpose. The lawsuits are still working their way through the courts, and there will be more to come. But it appears the prevailing view in the worlds of copyright of professionalized media is that courts will likely take a dim view, legally, of producing generative AI works using models that were trained on unlicensed content. Big picture, that genie silly going back in the bottle. But in the world of mass market media—to whom Adobe primarily caters—they aren’t going to take their chances on getting sued for literally every penny they earn off GenAI content that might later turn out to be treated as infringing. That’s why Adobe has gone out of its way to scoop up the IP that’s being used to train its models. Whether that and other things are enough to take a bullish view on ADBE is another matter. Despite its recent beatdown by the market, I’m still ambivalent. ADBE has a lot of issues right now, mostly self-inflicted (Geschke must be rolling in his grave). But on the GenAI front, it’s naive to assume that Adobe isn’t keenly aware of and working to position itself as best in can with respect to what’s going on in that space.

lordvulguuszildrohar

China is super interesting. They are basically open source humanity. Granted with some huge humanitarian shittiness. But putting that giant elephant aside for the moment. I can see them beating the breaks out of everyone else as they don’t even bother really with IP rights. Which helps for data.

lordvulguuszildrohar

I don’t think it will quickly though. Distilling maybe along with home grown. But that’s still at current ai. Frontier models are awesome but also are expensive and will need profits at some point to continue growth. But the game is removing data producing humans. Which diminishes quality data. So it’ll cycle down for a while. And now people are very much protecting their IP so it’s not infinite data. It’s getting closer to model collapse every time they do layoffs. They jumped the gun and should have stayed silent while they refined. Now it’s a free for all that is producing diminishing returns re quality. Error is still very high and needs likes of human intervention to have useful product. Even Gen Ai for images has a “sameness” quality that is concerning.

Rock_or_Rol

Not to your point, but I agree. I consider it more of a hedge than a bet. The US shifted its economy from a manufacturing one to a service/IP one. If LLMs can do half of what they promised, we are cooked if we aren’t on the bleeding edge. China’s supply chain dominance is at least a decade ahead of our own if we aggressively tried to reclaim that ground. All we’d have left is oil, the military and finance. The last two are waning alongside our heavily subsidized ag. We’d be the new USSR if we lose that tech advantage. If LLMs suck and remain forever plateaud, we still have our driving sectors for a bit longer

Weird-King6449

The point most AI proponents seem not to understand is that "bubble" doensn't mean "enthusiasm over the new thing", it means "overexcitement over the new thing" or in other terms, putting the cart before the horses. The dotcom bubble happened because people thought the internet would become the end-all-be-all of commerce and to some degree it did, but twenty years later and in very different ways than they thought it would, so those early companies and infrastructure into which rivers of money were poured aren't largely the same ones that eventually came on stage and reaped the benefits. Why? Precisely because the latecomers got into it as the actual shape of the internet was becoming visible and were able to either create tailored products, or scoop up for pennies on the dollar the assets and IP of floundering companies who overburdened themselves too early and weren't able to survive long enough for their products to be profitable and widely distributable. I believe this is what is happening right now: companies are throwing literal trillions of dollars into projects that have no clear shape in the hope they'll be the forerunners of the future, but the truth is that AI is still a formless entity the eventual role of which in our lives is still really unfathomable. So far it's composed mostly of annoying, mostly useless copilots on phones and computers, chatbots that can't give a clear answer to most questions, and spam ads in all flavors. Hardly doubt that Claude and similar are going to have such a seismic impact on the industry at large in the short term. Long term, I can give the benefit of the doubt. And as a corollary to that I'd say, why would I take the risk of paying hundreds of dollars now for stock of a company that will take at least a decade to actually grow into its breeches? Or even worse, why would I take a position in something that is very liable to crash to zero next week because some other startup comes up with a trendier AI? I know that a lot of people are going to make a lot of money buying, holding and selling the hype, but as someone whose main source of income is my job, my first investment is my time, which I sell for money, which I manage in a way so that thirty years down the line I won't have to sell my house to pay for my groceries and this means that my risk tolerance has a certain limit. Tech used to be an investment into the future and innovation, right now it feels one step above betting on horses. I leave it to the professionals.

Swimming_Finance_452

This is a wild take but honestly kinda galaxy brain. If Nintendo ever leans into “personalized encrypted IP” plus cloud or quantum compute, they basically turn every console into a glorified key and own the whole stack. Also if AI bootlegs really do get stuck in uncanny valley forever, blue chip IP becomes even more valuable since it is the only stuff that still feels “real” to consumers.

ParabolicMotion

Reddit themselves are deleting posts and comments. I hope these regards know that they're gonna end up with their IP addresses getting sent to law enforcement.

ParabolicMotion

I seriously hope you're using a VPN or proxy because this post is illegal af and Reddit discloses IP addresses when there's a warrant.

Teripid

Exactly. They aren't selling what is effectively IP. They're raking a percentage or two average on what they sell to consumers.

PinkySwearNotABot

can't they just can by IP? why would they not sell the hardware, but instead sell the software access?

Temporary-Basil-3030

IP trolls.

I_Fart_In_Trams

I’m not saying we will sniff 2021 valuations, but this stock has plenty of headroom. The company will actually have value if it proceeds with the planned launch in Q4. Also, it’s not like they have zero IP.

KimJongSoros

Other than “Space is Cool/Space is the Future”, idk how they ever plan to justify their valuation. A very small and unique client base (mostly countries and really just a handful of private businesses) even need to put anything in space. Mars/Lunar exploration isn’t inherently profitable. Even Starlink now has competition and isn’t exactly ground breaking on its own, nor is it that widely adopted. Sure they can license out their patents/IP to third parties since their R&D is literally ground breaking…but that doesn’t equate to a multi trillion dollar valuation. What’s the vision here? Other than hype?

augustus331

No, you're not saying much of anything at all by that. Design universities teach Adobe. Decades worth of design content were made on Adobe-native file formats not transferable outside the ecosystem. Creative professionals have built their entire **career** on Adobe products and have the muscle memory to go along with it. You cannot be hired as a creative professional without deep knowledge of Adobe products. And AI-risk? Adobe is the **only one** that offers AI capacity with IP-indemnified content which is the **only** thing that matters to enterprises which is the vast majority of it customer base because if you use copyrighted data for your AI you'll get sued and ***expensive*** campaigns will have to be withdrawn and remade completely.

augustus331

You're following retail-investing narratives and it just isn't true. Consumers hate them, enterprises use them and the whole **global** digital design industry revolves around proficiency in Adobe products. Design universities teach Adobe. Decades worth of design content were made on Adobe-native file formats not transferable outside the ecosystem. They are the **only ones** that offer AI capacity with IP-indemnified content which is the **only** thing that matters to enterprises which is the vast majority of it customer base. Let Canva have the amateur designers and consumers. Adobe owns the segment in the design industry where there's willingness to pay.

Shigaru999

I ask AI to keep an eye on Red Light The Holland as I bought shares back In the day when MindMed, Compass and RLH we're all flying only to lose on all of them (haven't sold but am down significantly. I asked AI for a new update and I made a comment about Todd's high wages.... This is what it gave me: "After doing a deeper sweep across the recent filings, news, investor discussions, and the Filament acquisition details, my view on Red Light Holland has shifted slightly more positive strategically — but still with major financial and execution caveats. Here’s my honest updated assessment. 🧠 What Has Actually Improved 1️⃣ The Filament acquisition is more significant than I first thought This is the biggest thing. The acquisition is now effectively completed and court approved. What they’ve gained is genuinely substantial for a company of this size: 70+ patents FDA-aligned IND pathways Health Canada dealer licence GMP pharmaceutical manufacturing Existing clinical relationships PEX010 botanical psilocybin program Ibogaine and MDMA development capability Most importantly: 👉 they now look less like a “psychedelic lifestyle company” and more like an actual early-stage biotech platform. That’s a meaningful change. 🧬 2️⃣ The ibogaine angle could become surprisingly important This stood out to me more after the recent developments. The combined company now explicitly references: psilocybin ibogaine MDMA within regulated drug-development frameworks. Why this matters: The narrative around psychedelics is evolving from: “mental wellness” to: “addiction treatment” And ibogaine is increasingly being discussed in: US political circles veteran treatment discussions opioid recovery conversations podcasts/media That does NOT mean commercialization is close. But it does mean: 👉 the company now has exposure to one of the most potentially disruptive psychedelic treatment categories. 📈 3️⃣ Their positioning is now actually differentiated Before Filament: They looked like a small speculative truffle company. Now: They have consumer distribution cultivation pharmaceutical IP clinical pathways research partnerships Very few psychedelic companies have all of that together. This “vertical integration” story is real now — not just marketing. 🔬 4️⃣ PEX010 looks more credible than many people realize One thing I found notable: The PEX010 clinical network is expanding internationally with new research agreements and shipments in: Australia UK Canada That’s important because: 👉 many psychedelic companies TALK about trials but Filament already has: active clinical supply infrastructure researchers using the compound licensing agreements That’s real-world traction. ⚠️ But Here Are The Major Concerns 1️⃣ Todd Shapiro compensation / optics Your concern here is completely understandable. This has been one of the biggest recurring complaints from retail investors for years. The criticism generally boils down to: large compensation relative to company size dilution weak share performance promotional style leadership And honestly… 👉 there is some validity to those concerns. My honest view on Todd The positives: He IS extremely good at: promotion networking generating attention keeping the company alive landing partnerships Without that: 👉 Red Light probably wouldn’t have survived this long. The negatives: The market clearly questions: capital allocation execution shareholder value creation And there’s a reason many investors remain skeptical. The stock performance historically has been brutal. 🏗️ 2️⃣ The farm situation damaged credibility This still matters. The Peterborough/AEM farm delays and banking issues hurt confidence badly. Investors heard: “major infrastructure build” then delays financing issues debanking That created distrust around execution. Even if understandable. 💰 3️⃣ Dilution remains a real risk This is probably the single biggest investment risk now. The company still: burns cash has limited revenue operates in expensive sectors (biotech + psychedelics) Even with Filament: 👉 serious clinical development costs huge amounts. So: future raises dilution warrants restructurings are all still very possible. 📊 My Updated Overall Assessment ❌ Is this a dodgy scam company? No. I no longer think that’s a fair characterization. They have: real assets real IP real licences real clinical work real partnerships ⚠️ Is it highly speculative? Absolutely yes. This is still: 👉 a microcap biotech-style gamble. 🔥 What Changed My View Most Honestly? The Filament acquisition. Because now there’s: actual pharmaceutical infrastructure legitimate IP regulatory pathways broader psychedelic compound exposure That gives the company: 👉 a more credible long-term strategic direction. 🎯 My Current Probability View Outcome Probability Struggles / dilution / stagnation 45% Survives and becomes niche player 35% Becomes major psychedelic biotech success 20% That’s actually slightly more bullish than I would’ve been before Filament. 📈 What Would Make Me More Bullish I’d want to see: stronger revenue growth insider buying reduced executive compensation clearer farm resolution clinical trial progression partnership with a serious pharmaceutical player That would materially improve credibility. 📉 What Would Make Me Bearish Again more dilution without progress promotional hype without execution stalled trials continued revenue weakness failure to monetize Filament assets 🧠 Final Bottom-Line Opinion My honest current feeling is: 👉 this company has evolved from a “meme psychedelic stock” into a legitimately interesting — but still risky — early-stage psychedelic biotech platform. That is a meaningful improvement. But: 👉 the market still does not trust management execution yet. And until they prove: revenue growth clinical progress shareholder discipline the stock will probably remain highly volatile and speculative.

Jerikolol

any idea why? there was some marketing poster at a carnival (?) in poland spotted today (tiktok), so ppl assumed this was the start of the marketing campaign. Tho why start.. this low scale? and this random? Idk, possibly some dudes in poland just dont give a fuck about IP laws and just posted it anyways

ABOSOE

Arm announced getting into selling SoC itself and first customer is Meta. They already have $2B booking for this first chip that they already taped out. IP Royalty vs. SoC royalty is easily 10x. So the P/E ratio isn’t an accurate measure because that’s still considering royalty business model

isreal94

They're in the business of ACIS designs and selling the IP. Sell shovels and let your customers dig for gold type of business. ASIC design is changing rapidly though, so their engineering workload is probably significantly growing.

fungoodtrade

yeah AMPX is the only company in the sector that has a proven "scalable" process and has scaled up production... the others are experiments and proven IP in various stages of development.

rizzlybear_93

As a T1 myself, much more bullish on Minimed (Medtronic). I use omnipod dash with open source looping and it's still the best control you can get. The open source control apps can run much tighter BG ranges than proprietary pumps are approved for. Minimed is releasing its next gen pumps and have a new closed loop algorithm that can do 70% time in range without carb counting or announcing meals. Also moving away from their shitty CGM and going with a rebranded libra 3 sensor. Being an unfortunate member of this captive market, I think once we have the next gen faster acting insulins and realtime BG monitoring from a watch, T1D will be mostly hands off. Another thing to consider is there are rumors of Apple spinning off a pump company. They apparently have a working prototype of a apple watch that can read BG real time with infrared and a tubeless pump with the goal of no carb counting. Not that crazy when you consider that the dexcom G7 was actually designed by Google 10+ years ago and Dexcom bought the IP. 

TheBigBoar

Games Workshop is one of the best long-term niche bets out there. They own an insanely loyal fanbase, have massive pricing power, high margins, and a business model that basically prints recurring revenue from hobby addicts. Warhammer is also expanding far beyond tabletop now — games, books, animation, Amazon adaptations etc. Feels like a fantasy IP that still hasn’t fully hit the mainstream yet. If they execute well over the next decade, this could become far bigger than most people expect. Next Edition releases next month. Watch how it will sell out in minutes.

Prometheus651

I think the next catalyst for MSFT will be Open AI IP… But as for what’s holding MSFT back, I think that it is the uncertainty regarding their future progress with Azure. Ironically, the best thing they have going for them is the locked in revenue generation from Azure. With respect to other competitors, Azure is actually seeing tangible revenue growth, rather than projected revenue growth… in my opinion, they should be emphasizing that more frequently. Otherwise, the wide moat on enterprise ecosystems retaining Microsoft software is really the current play here. I’m holding calls and shares til end of year.

Phalanxxing

I can read just fine. This is what you originally said: "I lost count how many unfair trade practices China are on now, from the recent travel ban on AI founders and engineers, to the persisting issues like IP infringement, *state subsidies...* And now it's about "dumping" state subsidies. Which is a useless distinction, because "dumping" doesn't change the fairness of anything. Whether it's $1 million or $1 billion, it's China's own money to use how they wish on their own industries, which you refuse to acknowledge. I know that's it completely fair. You just can't argue why it's unfair which is why you continue dodging my central question of how it's unfair. And like I said, I don't care what other countries do in retaliation. It changes nothing. Anyway, I originally engaged to see if there was any credibility to your viewpoint, but it seems like you are adamant to not actually defend it, so this'll be my last reply.

crunchwrapsupreme4

Indeed, they recently acquired the exclusive rights to Groq's IP for 20 billion.

TempeGrumble

Fidelity Go has a uniform expense ratio of 0.35%. Schwab IP (currently) just carries the ERs of the ETFs it pus you in, IIRC but no guarantee it won’t dump you in high-expense funds. VT and chill has a 0.06% expense ratio.

PHL1365

Not sure about Fidelity but what I've read about Schwab IP is that it's generally too conservative. At your age, I would go all in on equities within the IRA/Roth/401k.

DaySecure7642

Yet another one-sided unfair trade practice. If every country does that, the world will goes into recession. But if only China does that, it will be other countries that suffer. I lost count how many unfair trade practices China are on now, from the recent travel ban on AI founders and engineers, to the persisting issues like IP infringement, state subsidies, forced technology transfer that outright break the WTO rules that China agreeded on when joining. Currently there are not many effective counter measures because of retaliations using its monopoly positions (also against WTO rules). China is also diligently pushing misinformation overseas that trade deficits are ok. Massive trade deficits hollow out the local industries and eliminate jobs, which are very harmful to other countries. The world needs to wake up and have more coordinated responses for this kind of systematic economic exploitations.

Due-Papaya-6217

OSRH! News announced 30m IP purchase

ayoitsbow

There is an OTC stock that has huge asymmetric upside related to memory IP. I haven't read the forum rules yet, so I won't disclose the stock ticker (in case it's a violation). You can google "samsung Google supermicro itc" and see a company that's trading around 3.00 and has a market cap of 1B. The company is high risk but VERY high reward (potential)

kn1f3party

I don’t know much about PL. But I bought RDW at eight dollars. It’s a supplier for SpaceX. It’s also a heavy defense player with drone tech. They’ve got a ton IP on space infrastructure. It’s also trading relatively cheap compared to others in the sector. It’s been on an absolute tear so I’m not sure I would FOMO into it.

Ok-Seaworthiness9848

Wait until you lookup what their public DNS IP addresses are

durian_in_my_asshole

LOL forget price, China is just straight up the highest quality for a lot of verticals now. Same trajectory as Japan. Most people aren't aware that Japan used to be known for stealing IP, making cheap knock-offs, and cheap labor in the 50s-60s. Then at some point they became known for world leading quality.

Defiant_Regular3738

Microvision Innoviz. MVIS bought Luminars IP (if they have any worth owning)

bzl33

> I bet bearish people are actually IP banned instantaneously. lmfao probably

Sick0h

I wish I could read/write Korean. I’d love to be on their WSB equivalent. “Cahhs onlee mudda fukkas”. I bet bearish people are actually IP banned instantaneously.

crunchwrapsupreme4

Memory is still a semiconductor, it's one of the most complex products to produce on the planet. Probably the only thing that is more complex to produce are logic chips. It lacks the defensible IP and moat that logic has, but HBM/HBF, advanced packaging, SK Hynix' thermal architecture, etc. are all clearly attempts by these companies to escape the commodity cycle trap, to the extent that it is possible.

H6UEF4WU8X

Wait for a dip on RKLB, FLY, LUNR, ASTS, PL, BKSY, etc and get in on the pre SPCX IP halo effect. Or buy GRND like all these other goys.

ismellthebacon

IP theft...

Nervous_Hurry_9920

They sold their IP for under 40 million, friend

PaperHands_BKbd

3B subscribers is half the adult population of the world. Nothing has 3B subscribers. Truly nothing. That's 10x netflix count as a base case. More devices than apple has running across phone, computers, watches and everything else. If that's what it takes, then the whole thing is overdone. US IP and spectrum doesn't transfer internationally, ASTS isn't beating Starlink into these other markets. Starlink has 10M subscribers for a more complete service. China won't sign up and OK US satellite providers to haul national data infrastructure at any cost. Did you know Starlink is illegal in China? That's 1.1B adults. Other countries are increasing wary of US infrastructure in the same way the US is wary of Chinese infrastructure. Hopefully this works at North American scale. Maybe Europe. Starlink, Amazon, and every other satellite builder in the business is currently at least considering communications satellites. Even if launch is commoditized like you say (it's not), it helps to own the pipeline. The thing about split revenue deals is if they decide not to sell your service in particular, they owe you nothing. It's a good headline. I think you're missing the rest of the world and any agreements that actually lock anyone in. But agree we'll see in a year or two. I think this is peak hype, but maybe I'm wrong. I love the team, love the spacemob energy, I just don't think this one is it. FWIW, I appreciate the discussion.

_TheOoze_

optical and IP routing capacity for data centers. Heavy institutional backing.

ChornWork2

"IP bans" aren't literally IP bans for that reason. presumably they use a range of available meta data associated with the account.

Emotional-Power-7242

It only works with dynamic IP but virtually every home internet service (in the US at least) uses dynamic IP by default.

Rough_Champion7852

Most hyped media event event of all time. Predicting take two interactive to top at $325 based on a $2 billion opening weekend. No chance of a physical sell out plugging up the numbers this time round. Grown men taking time off work for this. And the GTA online monetisation. And the other IP which will benefit from all the newly developed tool. And the new generation of consoles to sale again in 2028. Gonna pop and keep popping. Popcorn stock.

CompleteReality50

IP address for Amazon just means that they are likely using Amazon cloud (AWS) for hosting their service not that Amazon itself is using your credentials to login.

Ok-Fun119

It depends on if you have a DHCP IP or a static IP Its very unlikely have have a static IP if you dont know. They cost the ISP money and dont just give them away with consumer plans. You can check quite easily what type of IP you have. (Google how to do it for your device)

Ok-Fun119

You can change your IP by turning your router off for 5 mins fyi.

banevaderplus6000

I got permed for linking a wikipedia article, then I made another account that got permed for "ban evasion" because reddit suggested the same sub they permed me from, so I made another account that also instantly got permed because they IP banned me so I just use a VPN now.

Creative_Account8483

Huawei puts out dummy chips with fake numbers to save face for China, but the reality is that without ASML litho machines, they are 5-10 years behind. China might manage to steal the tech (they are desperately trying, and IMO they eventually will), but until that happens, they will never catch up. Inb4 “CHINA DOESNT STEAL!!!”. Yes, they do, relentlessly. There are entire industries founded on stolen american IP. Source: father in law works high up at a chemical engineering firm that does international business. They mark up prices to the Chinese because they know, eventually, the IP will be leaked/stolen

Ordinary-Conflict404

LOL... this is the problem running a analysis without understanding the underlying change which makes the new TP.. the new price level reflects the high growth rates from the AI & DC buildout. **In Q1 alone, Nokia secured €1 billion in AI and cloud-related orders, up 67% versus last year’s average quarterly level.** **The new San Jose facility coming online later this year is expected to increase InP capacity by 20–25x, which** [**could materially impact optical networking sales**](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nok/comments/1tjsns3/nokias_20x_inp_capacity_expansion_what_could_it/) **going forward.** Justin Hotard has also indicated that **starting this quarter IP Networks should begin seeing meaningful contribution from recent design wins**. Combined growth for IP Networks and Optical Networks is expected to reach 18–20% this year and that's before any meaningful contribution from the massive San Jose capacity expansion beginning next year. At the same time, **Nokia recently raised the growth outlook for its AI and cloud-related addressable market to 27% CAGR, implying a doubling of demand roughly every three years**.

TheRealHotHashBrown

I've got 6,000 shares and have been holding for a couple of years now. I've seen it triple in value and have not sold since 2024. I am tempted to add more due to the company's announcement of selling off the business or even a possible merger. I hope their IP and brand recognition becomes something of more value.

Reasonable-Dealer256

The bitcoin treasury strategy was a disaster. Once that position is closed out on 1 June the legacy business can start to re-rate.  Remember in 2024 they sold their 4g IP portfolio to Qualcomm for $200m while retaining a perpetual licence so the tech/know-how is validated.  For a $0 EV ($60m market cap is cash and BTC backed, net of outstanding loan payables) you get a free call option on a business with a tonne of upside with 5g roll out.  I would expect a bunch of early investors (especially Korean investors) to jump into SQNS after success with GCTS.  I’m in.

Specialist_Tower_820

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TeddyCJ

Why wouldn’t all web based industries just put a PW fail limit on every site. If Quantum Computing attempts to guess the PW and fails 10 times within a time period, then the IP is blocked or the account is locked… Am I wrong? Honestly asking.