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Growth stock valuations - why growth tech is (probably) not as expensive as you think
I'm planning to buy some stocks tomorrow, what do you recommend?
Thinking of selling everything and full porting into AMZN & SHOP
Wendy's won't pay nearly enough. If you see me with my new wearable billboard at the street corner toss me a few coins. $SHOP 7K, $F 2/4 calls $4K, $PTON 1/28 put 4$K all vaporized in a single 3 hour bloodbath
$SHOP in hell rn is anyone planning on buying?
DD Shopify $SHOP: the biggest NYSE traded Ponzi
DD Shopify $SHOP: the biggest NYSE traded Ponzi
DD Shopify $SHOP: the biggest NYSE traded Ponzi
Tesla and Nvidia Are Picked for Big Gains by This Robot Trader. It’s Been Right Before
What high flying names from 2021 that have crashed or are in a bear markets are you looking to pick up while they are near 52 week lows?
So many of you are backward looking and will get burned precisely because of this.
I'm no financial advisor, but be measured in your "buy the dip" philosophy
I absolutely have no knowledge of Options but bought a bunch this week.
120% gains from Jan 1 2020 - Dec 31 2021 ALL STOCKS NO OPTIONS $CTS.TO $SHOP
How does Shopify have earnings larger than its revenue? Is Google/Yahoo Finance wrong?
New to options, anxious about it. Tell me if I'm being retarded. Or don't idc.
It's difficult to make a case for buying growth stocks right now that doesn't sound like bs
SHOP getting into NFTs. What you think bredren? Ape calls?
Thoughts on selling SHOP and buying SE or MELI?
Well, you can stand there and just look at it, don't touch it. Days like this are reminders or bump days if you got the cash.
$WISH i bought another 2k shares Friday, feeling good about it ~
Interesting ideas for the impending METAVERSE explosion.
Also caught MU and SHOP before their jumps on Friday. MU could have been a 10 bagger if I held!
PayPal ‘now risks getting disrupted’ by competitors, analyst says in downgrade
$EXFY - Expensify is your next multi-bagger long hold
Companies that are pushing towards the metaverse/NFT/crypt0 space. This is our generations dotcom (web 2.0). Web3 is going to be massive.
Los Santos Police Department (LSPD) aka Lightspeed
Hope the video gets you all hyped for this week! BUY-HOLD-SHOP-DRS!
Hope the video gets you all hyped for this week! BUY-HOLD-SHOP-DRS!
Join me and Cathie Wood in the METAverse. Why I think you will see massive institutional volume this morning and how you can benefit (FB Oct 29 330 Calls)
Looking at WISH going into earning through the lens of Shopify and Amazon
Facebook... sorry Metta Book Lotto Calls!
Historical Post Earnings Moves MEGA Compilation AND Analysis (Q3 Week 3) - $AAPL, $FB, $AMD, $MSFT, $SHOP, $AMZN, $GOOG and More
Historical Post Earnings Moves MEGA Compilation AND Analysis (Q3 Week 3) - $AAPL, $FB, $AMD, $MSFT, $SHOP, $AMZN, $GOOG and More
Historical Post Earnings Moves MEGA Compilation AND Analysis (Q3 Week 3) - $AAPL, $FB, $AMD, $MSFT, $SHOP, $AMZN, $GOOG and More
Which is the most undervalued one? A) SHOP- $2.9B rev $175B mc B) SNAP- $2.5B rev $120B mc C) MELI- $3.9B rev $75B mc D) ETSY- $1.7B rev $27B mc E) $WISH- $2.5B rev $3B mc
PSFE on the move….just a little article on Motley Fool
5 Reasons It's Not too Late to Buy Shopify Stock- Trevor Jennewine
Someone told me to turn on dark mode. It actually looks nice. Btw 30% of my portfolio are growth/dividend stocks/ etfs. 70% are the aggressive ones like TSLA, GME, SHOP, and etc
Does anyone else miss 2020 or is it just me?
SHOP Morning 18k gain using the old Rinse and repeat strategy for back to back >80% profits in each move.
I'm very bullish on $AFRM so I thought I'd share the DD conducted when the price was $67. Keen to hear others' thoughts on $AFRM and my DD.
Planning to invest in Shopify- here's a nice analysis of the stock
Lightspeed Commerce the next $SHOP $LSPD
SHOP is on the run - anybody heard any news driving the large uptick today?
Enthusiastic about Enthusiast Gaming Holdings Inc. (EGLX)
I scanned over 150 charts this weekend. Here are some good setups I found to BTFD (or sell CSPs): PTON, CRWD, SHOP, GRWG, PUBM
I scanned over 150 charts this weekend. Here are some good setups I found to BTFD: PTON, CRWD, SHOP, GRWG, PUBM
Which stock, currently well below a 1 trillion $ market cap, do you see reaching that market cap within 5 years?
GXO: e-commerce winner in the making
GXO is the next e-commerce play
Does it make sense to short SHOP - another "Dildo shaped" chart soon?
SHOPIFY to 50times earnings -> down to less than $500 ->I started, do you start shorting?
If all stocks dropped 20% today and you could buy only 5, which 5 would you select?
Look here! An example of why you need to pay very close attention to the bid/ask spread when opening options. I didn't see the wide spread and now am stuck in an illiquid position.
How do I continue to make money instead of losing all of my gains?
VERB ($2.60)- Next MVIS Runner from Penny stock to $30 - 30k shares YOLO
I $WISH everyone would just hold; LET THE SHORTS BURN
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$WISH DD: Why is WISH LOCAL and it’s discovery based platform potentially the key to the future of brick and mortar retailers
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Have you looked at the forward P/E estimates? Everything I see is over 100. Not sure what’s causing this. I’ve not dug into SHOP.
Definitely looking like fresh lows on the menu tomorrow. I got a whole smorgasbord of shorts loaded up ready to rock God bless these beautifully horrible tickers and the service they provide us profiteers: SNAP PYPL ABNB SHOP MTCH COIN CRWD And of course, the greatest invention ever in the history of the market: SARK If anyone has some other juicy ETB shorts please share with the class
These SHOP puts just going to keep on printing 🤤
SHOP looking like it’s going to the $400s again
That is also true too, which doesn’t bode well for these valuations to hold true as a floor. Multiple contraction, reverting to the mean, would be a good indicator that the market is settling. Look at SHOP, went from $2000 to $1100 in a matter of weeks. Valuation is still trading at a “rich” valuation, even at this share price halving. This could easily go to $500 and still maybe just be considered somewhat in the reasonable range.
When you see deep red futures while holding SHOP puts 😁
Fair value imo: SHOP: $350 TSLA: $152.37 AAPL: $110 NVDA: $140 AMC: $-4.37 GME: $0.32 SPY: $325 QQQ: $275
FB DIS definitely at solid prices compared to the rest of the market at these levels. will be averaging more into SHOP and NVDA if we keep dropping
Major tech has some surprising low PE ratios but lot of others have some in the 100s I’m debating abandoning SQ , Generac, SHOP to free up cash to buy other more reasonable priced stock and I’ll hold till earnings as they are all small position
This market is a target rich environment for shorts. $DWAC, $CVNA, $ABNB, $SHOP, $CHWY, $MTCH, I have a long list.
SHOP and oil are the only things holding up the Canadian market
Holy shit I had no idea how beaten down SHOP was. Makes you wonder how much further this selling can go.
SHOP is -40% this month and still ridiculously overvalued
Bulls really be like, " Hey guys do you think I should buy SHOP calls I think it is undervalued I think we will see it go up another 3,000٪ in a couple year that seems like safe and healthy growth to me doesn't seem like a bubble at all no me, nope no way." 
SHOP pumping AH why exactly?
SHOP puts have been printing so hard this month
I am sitting on an uncomfortable amount of SHOP right now. At least its shares....
Right. I was talking about other tech firms like OLO, TOST, SOFI, SQ, SHOP etc All of these seem to have close to no debt. All of the ones that you described are platform companies and I think platforms generally have a ton of costs from being a middleman and having to spend on s&m. So I guess we are agreed that platform tech is overleveraged and overhyped. Time for them to die. Also, sorry for sounding a little rude. Just reread my message and I defn did not mean to come across condescending!
SHOP just jumped off a cliff
SHOP buddy get it together
SHOP & SOFI are reasonable to cheap imo. I've not looked into TDOC or FVRR recently. At this point most growth stocks I look into are reasonably valued to undervalued. UPST is very cheap, although it's bounced quite a bit the last couple of days. That said I tend to only buy growth stocks which are top-in-class businesses in large growing sectors. While I might think something like FVRR & TDOC is cheap I would be nervous about the sectors they operate in. I don't think it's clear how big their TAM is yet which means you have to believe both in the company and the growth potential of the sector overall. I will buy into these kinds of stocks from time to time as short-term plays with UPST being an example of that, but I would view these stocks are more risky.
Buffett has spoken about how stupid it is to categorise some stocks as growth stocks and other stocks as value stocks because fair value depends on growth and most value names are value names for a reason. You want growth at a fair price, the problem is most people don't know how to identify what a fair price is for growth because they're comparing metrics directly with relatively stagnant companies. People forget how companies like FB used to trade with a PS in the high teens / low twenties and a PE over 100 during a period when interest rates were much higher. Stock like SHOP trading at a 25 PS and 150ish TTM PE today are just not as expensive or unreasonably priced as some people think. As an investor the biggest mistake I've made is probably not investing in companies like FB, AMZN and NFLX years ago because I was concerned about their valuations. Not only was I wrong about these stocks not justifying their high valuations, I could have never imagined them so significantly outperforming the broader market. In many cases these names could have been 2x more expensive than they were and still have been fantastic investments. I do agree with you that you shouldn't have a portfolio full of growth stocks though and that there is a difference between highly speculative, sometimes pre-revenue investments and growth stocks like SHOP or TDOC. For example a stock like SPCE doesn't even have a proven business model yet and really shouldn't be in the same category as companies like SHOP and NET which I and others use every day professionally. These aren't memes or highly speculative companies yet to prove they have a business but legit companies that are growing fast and offering real value to their users.
" If we take the example of SHOP, we find about 75% of gross profits are being spent on S&M + R&D.“ - Where can we find out this information about each company? I am a bag holder of SNOW and SHOP. I also hold UPST, HUBS, TTD and ZS. Could you please analyze these 4 stocks too? Thank you and I appreciate it!
Yeah all depends on what earnings look like, there are some names like MTCH/SHOP that look like they might get chopped down.
Yes, SHOP PE is not quite accurate. It's accurate in GAAP accounting sense, but does not reflect the run-rate of earnings. Better to use FCF
Wow, just realized that SHOP is half of ATH 😮 😮 😮
I'm on the precipice of selling some of my value ETFs that have fared well to dip-buy growth plays that have gotten slaughtered. NVDA, AMD, SHOP in particular.
Fair play for calling me out on this. I thought about using a different metric, or explaining why the TTM PE is a bit misleading, but most people here don't care or understand the difference anyway and I stand by the point I was trying to make. If you look at other metrics for SHOP like, PB, PS, forward PE, etc, you'll see the same trend... SHOP is trading decently below historical valuations almost anyway you look at it. You can't explain this with interest rate hikes alone in my opinion, so assuming it's not irrational fear, it's most likely related to post-pandemic slowdown concerns. It's possible SHOP has just been overvalued for years and AAPL was undervalued for years... And admittedly a good argument could be made there. But this divergence in valuation is interesting. It suggests that either historical valuations were mispriced, or that current valuations are. At a time when people are buying into AAPL for safety, they should at least be aware that's it's valuation may not be as safe as some people believe, especially if you think a recession is coming because AAPL's earnings rely more than most stocks on healthy consumer demand.
SHOP shot up $171 real quick.
I see forward P/E of 16.6 for JNJ, which is what matters. Some of you guys, you look at P/E and I think you don't really understand it. I've heard multiple people in the last few days for example claim SHOP's P/E is 30. Technically, it is, but that's not real. Understanding why that's not a real number seems to be lacking.
After MSFT I'm buying puts on SHOP and AMZN.
Oh damn bro, My order didn't fill are you for real!?!?!!!!! RIP and SHOP is down even more 😥, I'll get it next time, pretty sure it pops and dumps again
Just a casual 9000 point drop for SHOP. Nothing to see here.
FYI, that’s SHOP P/E isn’t real. 90% of the E was gain on investment and classified as unusual items. P/E on operations for SHOP is more like 300. Can’t just look at P/E without understanding what’s in it.
Just sold 3 SHOP 1000 FDs for 3000
Awesome, thanks! It was in a Motley Fool article and last time I thought they sucked it was recommending SHOP when it was at 100 so I thought I'd take a look at CRWD this time lol
I almost bought a deep OTM put this morning, but didn't think it would move 100. SHOP puts instead, not doing quite as well.
Fck me I sold SHOP at the its lowest today 🤡
LMT has a $4.4B deal blocked from FTC and still +1.5% on the day. Would 100% buy them before NFLX or SHOP.
Normally I like trading on technicals and sentiment during corrections, but it feels different this time. Most of the reliable sentiment and technical signals have been completely ignored by the market and it's starting to look more and more fundamentally driven. I don't think this is just a retail shake out, but genuine confusion and concerns about where earnings and the economy is heading in 2022. I think the only thing that's going to give the market confidence to go higher at this point is the FED reassuring the markets or strong tech earnings. If either are bad, or perhaps even neutral, I think we go lower. A stock like SHOP trading at 30 PE isn't normal and suggests a significant slow down to come for some of the tech pandemic winners including mega caps like AAPL & AMZN. If AAPL falls along aside a FED that remains hawkish on tackling inflation markets going 10-20% lower from here would not be out of the question. Then on top of that you have ongoing geopolitical risks and pandemic risks... The risk/reward of equities right now is more skewed towards risk than it's been in a while. So many things could go very wrong from here. Not saying that people shouldn't be buying into this volatility, but keep in mind there is a decent chance this is just the beginning of the selling.
You could be more retarded, you could have bought SHOP
For some reason, there was a price target set at $1750/share from an institution that many believe is holding a ton of shares and basically an insider. That price target was just slashed to an equally absurd $1250 and currently trading under $850. This reeks of institutions trying to reduce their cost basis because they cannot pump and dump for profit. NFLX looks more promising than SHOP.
I like First Solar, Alphabet, Facebook, Discover, and Intel for value with in my opinion undervalued potential to grow. EXAS, and a lot of the software names you've probably heard a million times for riskier growth buys. (TRMB, ADSK, UPST, TTD, PUBM, DOCN, SPOT, SHOP, U). A lot of these might be busts but if 1 or 2 blow up they could easily pay for the others. I just have all these stocks set to buy $1/day until disappointing news comes out about them or their price skyrockets.
SHOP down a mere 10% already guh
SHOP: *”wanna watch me give up all of yesterday’s gains? Wanna watch me do it again?”*
I’m just talking about recent price action for options trading, of course SHOP at 150b market cap and a narrow focus is not comparable to AMZN as a business
SHOP has been discount AMZN lately. Near the same dollar movement, fraction of the underlying price. (although SHOP is closer to a value P/E at this point)
The SHOP 5 year chart looking like a giant bubble tbh lmaoo
Omg the SHOP 5 year chart legit just looks like one giant bubble. Just wait till what happens to TSLA
Holy shit I just noticed SHOP shed 500 dollars and it’s under 1000
I've been in the market for 15 years and have not seen anything like TSLA. I can show a screenshot that I shorted 800 Nvidia at 280 during its run-up last year or a screenshot of me shorting SHOP at 1600+ last year (also during its crazy runup) but I can't provide a screenshot of me shorting TSLA during any of its run-ups. They can't make enough cars to sell and their margin keeps going up. I keep on saying that TSLA is not the stock for you if you can only buy a handful of shares but if you buy in lots to 100 then it's a great stock because the demand for calls is so great and the premium is just too sweet. Within a few months, the shares I bought at 600 were basically free. I did have a 400 called away at 750 eventually last year. If you don't like the price that you bought it at, just wait and it'll be bargains.
May be SHOP if it dips below 800 again?
That’s going from a bunch of growth stocks to one growth stock. I think SHOP is a good business and if you have conviction with their business, that’s fine, but it could be a risky move.
That's true. Planning to liquidate my arkk and throw it into SHOP. Don't think a growth index will do well after severely underperforming the market for the last 2 years.
COST? I might go for SQ (add) and SHOP
From my recent readings SHOP could be a good bet, something like only 13% of merchandise goods were sold online last year, that leaves a lot of market share to capture.
I wouldn't say no news. SHOP took a hit with the termination of 3rd party fullfillment centers. And they came out with news today saying this termination will not affect their capacity at all. I'd say those news helped a bit.
Bought MSFT and SHOP at around 11 right before the turn around what a day !
$SHOP started at 880 and swung between 780 and 960 today. How is that even possible
XHB was up 3.23% today, ITB up 3.80%. Even SHOP was up 6.39%.
If you that was crazy, check SHOP
Best play of day SHOP 1/28 1000C, low of $2.50 and high if $40
damn, almost bought SHOP 1000c today and didnt..phew!
so I wasn't the only one wondering why SHOP was pretty much up from mid-day onwards on no news.
Watching SHOP swing was really something.
I did a lot of repositioning today. Thinned winners. Mostly dumped losers last week. Added to great companies at the bottom today. DIS, TGT, HD, SHOP, also some RSP and QQQ. Ended today about .5% UP and sold more than I bought. This was a lot of short covering at the end. Also a lot of people with money on the sidelines DCA into great companies and indexes. Personally I think we still see more down days than up days coming in the next few months.
I'm the best hindsight trader of all. All you dumbasses should have loaded up on SHOP calls at exactly 12:21PM. Was the most obvious play.
Have about the same numbers and missed the dips too. I'm pissed I missed the 16% swing on SHOP but at least we didn't sell. I think it opens green due to all the volume at close and the probably open bids. Then fades into JPow talk but I don't know shit. Or else I woulda bought the dip.
SHOP made 20% - it was amazing to see!
SHOP just had a crazy day, so much emotions as I got in at 1300$ CAD
Imagine having a bunch of SHOP 860/820 spreads and not selling because "all I have to do is wait for time to burn the IV"
Sure there are. I have 800k on the sidelines. I sold a lot during November/December and haven't been able find anything at prices I'd be willing to pay. From tech names could jump to SNOW, MSFT and SHOP if prices are right but besides that I have small cap shopping list mile long across lot of industries.
Would not recommend holding SHOP puts into AHs.
SHOP is a shitco. Worth 0, could disappear no one will notice.