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The OP must either be lying or mistaken. I can't find a single ETP that traded down to 50cents and then up to $32 in that time frame.
Exchange Traded Product ETP is a category and ETF is one of the three types along with ETN and ETC. OP is just trying to sound smart but forgot this is still a finance sub even though it's a casino, so his yapping will just look retarded to most people. Greyscale applied to convert their 16b otc Bitcoin Trust to a btc etf and got rejected, then SEC sued them for some reason. They lost to the surprise of no one, since there's already lots of approved btc etf on the market such as Blackrock's IBIT, Fidelity's FBTC, and many more. SEC essentially shot themselves in the foot in-terms of setting the precedence that it's already legal, so SEC had no reason to reject the application let alone sue.
This was the lawsuit, [https://www.stblaw.com/about-us/publications/view/2023/10/09/grayscale-wins-lawsuit-against-sec-over-rejection-of-bitcoin-etf-application-(registered-funds-regulatory-update)](https://www.stblaw.com/about-us/publications/view/2023/10/09/grayscale-wins-lawsuit-against-sec-over-rejection-of-bitcoin-etf-application-(registered-funds-regulatory-update)) While all other major players like Fidelity(cucks) had their crypto ETP's converted to ETF's, Greyscale's was denied. I thought this was sus, and with the amount of money Greyscale has to spend on lawyers, SEC's incompetence, I decided to bet against the SEC. While lawsuit was ongoing, Greyscale's ETP's were trading at 50% or more discount to their NAV. I thought this was easy "NAV Farming", which it turned out to be. I still check out the NAV of Greyscale products to catch a new farming opportunity.
You can but it's very situational. I shorted it 2 months ago on that huge spike and made some good profits. You have to remember however that when spot VIX is 50 the front month will be only 35 or so so the movement of the future is not as much as spot VIX. If you want to do this in another way you use a VIX calender spread (Short the front month, long a longer dated contract), then you are less exposed to short term movement but you can profit from the curve flattening. This position also cancels out most of the margin required. How this differs from going long on say the S&P500 is that if you have a flat period, L type recovery your S&P long does not make much money but VIX will still drop so your short VIX will generate profits. If you do it on a moderate VIX increase say from 15 to 20, and you do get a large spike you risk getting blown up. Most WSB folks don't manage their trades, they just buy calls or puts and let it ride. Ie when you have a short VIX position that goes against you can hedge this position as well. The issue with exchange traded products that inverse VIX is that they are only traded during exchange hours so if VIX spikes outside these times you have an issue as soon as the markets opens. If you trade VIX futures directly you can essentially trade them around the clock which makes it a lot more flexible. These inverse VIX ETF/ETP or structured products are very often misunderstood by their users. They should not be used as a long term investment but they enable people with low capital or cash only accounts to have access to these types of trades. XIV crashing to zero is the same idea as people selling puts during a bull market. If it hits it hits hard. Or better said it's picking up nickels in front of a steam roller.
So this is my portfolio plan (note that I'm european). I started investing one month ago and I am slowly DCAing. So I didn't deployed all my money yet and I can still do some changes. If you any advise/ feedback that would be greatly appreciated! 60%: Vanguard FTSE All-World ETF (VWCE) 15%: Amundi MSCI Semiconductors ETF (CHIP) 15%: iShares Bitcoin ETP (IB1T) 10%: gambling on penny stocks for my own entertainment
I've lost 2k $ (2 bandos💵) as 19 year old in 2 months... Saved 25% of my portfolio and said to my self i would not get back into this type of shi - levraged ETP's...
Just going leveraged long or short? Or use a leveraged single stock ETF (ETP) like TSLQ.
I bought TSLQ, a levered 2x TSLA short ETP before it popped 20%, losing 40% in a mere 4 hours. AMA.
Cheap how? My -3x Tesla ETP is already loading up
I did not highlight the 3x leveraged inverse for a couple of reasons, 1. because it's an ETP and has even higher risks, 2. It has tracked poorly to 3x daily movement.
I did not recommend the 3x leveraged inverse for a couple of reasons, 1. because it's an ETP and has even higher risks, 2. It has tracked poorly to 3x daily movement.
Most are leveed, but you can find some unlevered ones with a bit of googling. [Here’s](https://leverageshares.com/en/etps/leverage-shares-1x-tesla-etp/) an unlevered ETP I found that trades on the London stock exchange.
yeah that's what I only knew some of and now I see the truth. Should be trading VIX ETP per another comment. THX!
In this market it's starting to look like inverse funds/ETP's are going to be the only way to make money. Let's pull the ol reverse Uno on these bitches.
Seems unlikely that the ETP would be 1256 and its options would not be
My inverse leveraged short PLTR (X 3 short PLTR ETP - europoors things on europoors exchanges) is ready to ascend to godhood.
>less financially literate No joke. I used to think this sub was the dumbest place to look for financial advice. But go to any Trading 212 stock board and you will see absolute morons investing (the app has inbuilt commenting and boards for each stock) Nearly 50% of the posts are on why leverage ETPs are amazing to buy and hold long term. The other 30% is people asking why the 3x leveraged ETP is not worth the same even though the price is intended he same place ot was months ago when they bought. The remaining 19% is a mix of "should I buy?" Or "it's only a loss if you sell". The remaining 1% is not useful info, it's just financial article links posted days or weeks later.
Put it all in a 2x leveraged coffee ETP and wait until EOW
Don't get me wrong, VIX is great to trade, it's just that the non VIX futures ETP products like UVXY come with a lot of hair. If you're trading UVXY and such intraday though and not holding overnight when they rebalance, they have no real downsides though. They're just generally not great to hold for multiple days, which ofc includes holding options on them for multiple days.
Should I sell on market open? I have money in HLAL.L (an FTSE ETP) it exploded today by 14%. So should I put in a market on open order to sell? For context, I don’t know much about investing, I’m just a student with a couple thousand so I threw it into a decent looking investment, instead of leaving it in the bank. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
whole lotta projection, isnt your break time over? I trade leverage volatility ETP's on a monthly basis but thats too much for a WSB gambler to comprehend now troll elsewhere, employee #4567
Such a beast of a company man. Their ETP’s continue to evolve and generate even more revenue. AUM skyrocketing. Truly think this could be a triple digit stock at some point. And their biggest pain point thus far, according to Russell Starr, their head of capital markets, has been expansion into other markets. With the trump admin in, as well as their recently signed MOU in Asia, things are looking… nice.
Inverse ETP or similar daily leveraged inverse products. Here in Germany we got "Faktorzertifikate" as derivatives of that kind. This offers the best risk/reward-profile imo.
DEFTF Defi Technologies will skyrocket from this. It’s a small Defi crypto company based in Canada that is being uplisted to NASDAQ soon, it has been the first company to launch crypto ETP in a number of markets, has a crypto arbitrage fund that has never generated losses, has a 57% increase in AUM month over month, and has its treasury all in crypto! No more gate keeping this. 🚀🚀🚀
Laughs in 3x leveraged inverse MSTR ETP 🎉
Even if the ETFs are not available (yet) you can buy Bitcoin through your broker though, can't you? E.g. Coinshares Physical Bitcoin, ETC Group, Invesco, 2Shares Bitcoin ETP are available to me.
Ah nvm apparently the American ETF’s are not allowed due to them not following some rules but we already have bitcoin ETP’s. I guess MSTR to the moon
This is not going back to $100, their earnings forecast was already below expectation, and this was without all the fraudulent activity suspicions going on at the moment and risk of delisting. It will take some time before it reaches $100, and that's only if the audit shows compliancy. If you bought before this rebound like I did (I bought the leveraged 2x SMCI ETP at $0.21 and made almost 300%) I would cash out and get the fuck out of this stock.
Can’t trade options because my broker says it’s too risky. I can however use an inverse ETP with 3x leverage 🤣
The US has moved toward oligarchy. Look at the list of top donors to the Trump campaign. ETP which owns the Dakota pipeline will be a great play and hasn't popped yet (and probably won't until end of year)
The strongest leverage ETPs you can get are generally 5 fold leverage. Even at 5 fold they tend to almost go to 0 atleast once a year, for instance Mag7 on 5x daily leverage ETP. This is because of the affect of compounding. If you take 100 now remove 10%, its 90% Now add 10% back, its 99 instead of 100. This gets more impactful the more an asset drops within a day.
There is no 10X ETP as far as I'm aware. MAG5.L Fact sheet: https://leverageshares.com/documents/factsheet/5x_magnificent_7_factsheet.pdf > You cannot lose more than the amount invested, and an intraday rebalance mechanism is designed to cushion the largest intra-day falls.
Risk reversals on indexes and short straddles on VIX ETP's
No options only an inverse ETP
Leveraged ETFs have a thing called daily rebalancing. I have a friend who bought a leveraged Tesla ETP. Stock went up but overall his value went down. The chart doesn’t show decay but your portfolio will.
Why would you choose the most expensive ETP?
4% net yield is lower than my savings account yield. 3X in 13 years? I have 3X on some of my ETP investments in 6 months. I never had to fix anything, deal with a tenant, or go to court either. Real estate just seems like an insane way to maximize stress for minimal returns.
Not a great analogy. First of all, going from $200k to $1m is only a +500% return. You'd have to go from $200k to $3.6m in 15 years to hit the +1800% return of that initial AAPL buy. That would be something to brag about indeed. But it's not like picking Apple was an act of astonishing foresight. Microsoft, a household name since the 90s, has even higher returns from 2010-2024. Google, Amazon, Facebook, all these companies were around in 2010. They're still around today and they've all generated returns that far exceed what most individual landlords could ever hope to receive. I have gains of over 150% on some of my leveraged ETP positions in less than one year. It would take you 15-20 years to generate returns like that on real estate with an 8-10% annual ROI, along with countless hours of sweat equity, tenant-related stress, and ongoing expenses that constantly eat into your gains. Real estate is a sucker's bet in the current market, because housing is incredibly overpriced and interest rates are higher than they've been in at least a decade. Extremely constrained housing inventory will continue to stress the real estate market for at least another decade.
The $VIX is being artificially suppressed. It isn't allowed to rise above ~$20, it's instantly PPT'ed into the dirt if it even attempts to. This despite the most volatile stock market of all time. It has never been more transparent in my lifetime, maybe history, that it's all bullshit. We're totally fucked when average Joe catches on and tries to convert his BTC ETP and absolutely horrendous P/E tech stocks to actual dollars lol. So, so mega fucked.
There is a 5x Long Magnificent 7 ETP but it's only available in london and italy exchange.
How are the sales of the global ETF and ETP not demand to you? I said that in the original comment. Bitcoin ETFs already have surpassed silver in the United States. A year ago these didn’t exist and now they’re coming out worldwide. How is that not demand literally what are you talking about? Literally every few weeks a new country gets a new ETF or some form of backed government bitcoin. This is the big players getting into BTC a demand for BTC we’ve never seen before in human history because the legislation is now there and a reference point for the legality of such a thing.
Mathematically you are all ignorant Supply and demand people Jesus Christ. If bitcoin has been halved and runs out it’s a finite resource. ETF and ETP are now coming out worldwide which have to be backed with bitcoin. Now if half the bitcoin being produced and the demand has skyrocketed what will happen. You all actually make me sick. You could make literally 200-300% gains in a year off of basic understanding of economics but instead you sit here and argue its validity even now. You cannot beat supply vs demand with bitcoin. Especially now. Adieu