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Still using Apple app store in 2023 is about as barbaric as using AOL dial up in 2023 What kind of whittu technology only offers less content?
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Internet was ubiquitous in 1992. You were obviously born after the AOL/Netscape era. I still remember adverts for local mom and pop ISPs.
Mass adoption will come just like in the preadoption days of the internet when dial-up bulletin boards were the thing. AOL came along and made internet access simple and easy for millions. Windows 7 came along and made MS-DOS CD:\games obsolete with point and click access. Whenever someone invents the simple crypto buying, selling and holding interface easy for millions, then it'll happen.
If you used the internet prior to AOL and cable internet, you know that the internet was only accessible to those who had knowledge to physically install a modem into their x386 PC, configure the ports for the modem, use a telephone interface software, dial into a service, and such. Now we just swipe our phone and tell siri what to do. It's been a long and difficult road, and tons of improvements have been made. The same will come to crypto.
BNB is the second most valuable EVM after Ethereum.. An EVM is nothing without trustlessness. As a matter of fact the single threaded EVM is outdated and bad at everything today, compared to the next generation of multi threaded VMs like the Solana VM (SVM) which utilizes our modern hardware more effectively. (I say this as a sort of ETH maxi, but who is into the idea of SVM Rollup's using EVM for base layer.) Many "ETH killers" wrongly assumed the EVM is what derives value to Ethereum. They each forked the EVM and attempted to 'kill ETH' by increasing their blocksize 100x using costly specialized and centralized nodes, to reduce their fees to cents instead of tens of dollars on Ethereum. That didn't work except in BNB's case which is more a result of CZ/Binance imo. The only *perk* of the EVM is that it is so basic it can run on practically anything. In Ethereum's case specifically due to ETH tokenomics that means a very robust decentralization, and that means we are able to run Ethereum's EVM without trust it will execute. Ethereum's EVM is trustless, which really is the only reason it has high TVL or why it's used for finance. Cardano is using sidechains for their EVM. A sidechain is a seperate network, off-chain, that isn't as rigorously secured or decentralized as its partner chain. What are the incentives/tokenomics for everyone to host full nodes of this alternate network, now? It's as if we agreed on Reddit I will send you $20 in ADA for writing me a haiku, you are making the trust assumption now that I will send currency as you begin work on your writing. Until payment comes, or until the sidechain communicates with its partner, there is no guarantee of anything. EVM sidechains will never be used in crypto finance since they are not trustless. This is no technological feat in itself since an EVM sidechain can run on a Raspberry Pi, so honestly us two together could maintain one though anyone using it has to trust just two people now. Bitcoin is *slow and steady* and still people are working tirelessly on ways to put ZK proofs onto it today. Honestly I think that will make all sidechains redundant immediately, because ZK is provably trustless. Sidechains are a weird design choice to pursue in 2023 to say the least, it's like trying to implement Lightning Network on your new chain as a way of scaling it. This is tech after all, it has to evolve using new advances or exponentially it gets left behind, AOL decided to perfect dial-up instead of pursue broadband and look where they are today.
AOL. That connection sound, kind of like a fax machine connection.
Bitcoin would have been invented in the late 1990s during the tech boom. ​ Can you imagine what 2008 and 2009 would look like when the world had a 2-decade old scarce digital asset to turn to instead of trying to fight TARP's $750B bailout of banks? ​ Oh and would be using "BigToe" to search for internet stuff since I would have created the search engine that unseated AOL before the other garage startups got to do it. ​ Basically I would Hot Tub Time Machine that bitch.
No downvotes for reality. Who can forget Netscape server or Compuserve or AOL, etc.
I'm pretty left leaning and good riddance... same for all these dinosaurs while been in power since before AOL... Term limits
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
I’ve been on the internet since 1994 and co-founded or worked for a lot of startups thru multiple cycles. I got to watch the rise and fall of Netscape and AOL, Geocities, MySpace, Friendster, the near death and rebirth of Apple, the rise and rise of Google and Amazon and Facebook, Netflix, the emergence of the smart phone as a platform, and countless B2B products and platforms. I’m disappointed that crypto hasn’t produced any real value beyond trading. I keep waiting for crypto’s version of Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos or Marc Andreesen or even Jerry Yang (Yahoo). Instead we’ve just gotten a bunch Charles Ponzis.
These community tokens are the AOL of their time. Further adoption is coming.
F*cking hell. That brought back old memories. The AOL instant messaging sounds while Jay-Z raps. Kids these days don’t know the struggle.
This is like saying "Your Cryptos Are Actually -- Finally -- Totally Worthless" just because 95% of crypto projects are at rock bottom evaluations. Or better yet, it's like saying "The Tech Industry Is Actually -- Finally -- Totally Worthless" because AOL, Compaq, Alta Vista, Compaq, Palm, etc. all failed. There are always going to be far more losers than winners in any speculative-fuelled mania, especially when it comes to new technologies.
Setting up AOL chatrooms in every city
I just redeemed 250 minutes from my AOL CD to make this post.
1.) Why would this happen? Demand has nothing to do with mining / minting. 2.) Bitcoin is money, not AOL. What superior monetary properties are you talking about?
Like seriously Bitcoin may stay here for thousands of years if not forever. If you want to kill bitcoin you would have to kill the internet. I was surprised to find out how many people never even heard of the word Bitcoin. I still feel like we're in the dial up era of the internet when it comes to bitcoin. I myself was very interested in the internet when it first came on. I can still remember hearing the dial up connect me to the internet. Later on in my life I actually met the original creator of Yahoo which he had sold. I believe Yahoo and AOL was the first accounts I have ever created. When the internet first came available there wasn't much that you could do on there except for read text and do like simple emails but look how fast that technology had progressed now everything that we do on our day-to-day lives relies on the internet. I was using the internet for years before any of my family members had even understood how to use an operating system on a computer. Now every single person has a computer with them at all times in their pockets.
Yes. I was in high school in 2000 and one of my teachers had a computer open and Google was the page that was up at all times when I walked into the class. My thinking was, why does this guy have weird page of google up on his computer, does he not know of AOL or Yahoo, that’s what I was thinking. Boy was I wrong…Only if I would have invested my Taco Bell job money in google shares it would have been a different story now.
What a load of tosh. Bitcoin will end up like AOL, top dog initially but irrelevant 15 years later.
Amazing potential for those with a creative spirit! Very much like the internet when it was catching on. Some created new industries, while others were happy cruising AOL and Facebook.
>When it had no value and it was fixed. Once again you can rationalize it however you want, it still happened. I don't even think it's very relevant to this discussion, but you brought up the topic of supply issues. >Ethereum did censor txs when the DAO hack occurred despite there being nothing wrong with ETH per se. How is that type of social consensus any different from things that Bitcoin has gone through? Segwit? Bitcoin cash? Bitcoin SV? A blockchain isn't really a blockchain without the ability to have participants of the network decide the best path forward. It seems you've completely given up on saying anything that supports your original claim and instead decided to pivot to attacking Ethereum, you really lost the plot. Just because you don't like arbitrary things like that ETH doesn't have a supply cap(despite BTC currently being more inflationary) or that it has a "fluctuating monetary policy" (spoiler alert: having an adaptable network is a good thing, not a bad thing), doesn't mean Bitcoin isn't the AOL of crypto. You've literally not said a single positive thing about Bitcoin that I can recall, let alone anything that would make me believe it's more like a foundational protocol that is *fundamentally* supporting the industry in an irreplaceable way compared to being just a mostly static aging technology that is being left in the dust by that same industry.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Nope, ETH is currently the AOL of crypto… if they don’t make upgrades for faster and cheaper gas fees then they’ll fade to oblivion in the next decade
And the difference? AOL was largely a standalone product, whereas those protocols/OS were more of a foundation that continued to be built upon and became more entrenched. I think Bitcoin falls more into the AOL category, whereas a smart contract like Ethereum falls into the second category, composability is Lindy.
No one is ever gonna unseat AOL. AOL will always be the OG of the internet. It's the first thing that people think of when they think of the internet.
Comparing Ethereum to MySpace or AOL shows how little you understand. Ethereum is much more comparable to TCP/IP or HTTP than it is to a singular web service. Its a platform for other platforms to build upon.
Eth will eventually become irrelevant. Just like MySpace and AOL were the front runners in their time, something new and better will come along. So, no, Eth will never overtake Btc
> Sir I'm not that old I survived also AOL internet with modem dialup, I still can hear the sound connection in my head
Well, AOL never caught on to my bs circa 99. They can eat a cake
These have been around since the 90s. It was big in the AOL days.
right now we're like the internet in 1994, so... like whatever the crypto equivalent of AOL, that should be about where we're at in 5 years, with a good dot com bubble rehash in the middle of it.
Yeah but how much is it used ? Keeping an ENS alive isn’t that expensive, it doesn’t mean AOL’s not dead to 99.99% of the population
I really don’t like #1 at this point. That’s not why BTC is dominant. I feel like at this point saying “first mover advantage” is another way of saying “I don’t really understand why BTC has dominated the space for 14 years” That’s like saying IBM or AOL has first mover advantage.
In 2003, MySpace "won" the social media game and AOL "won" the internet business. Just saying. (Maybe calling winners "early" in the race can be a bit short sighted).
Is the price low considering you get weirdo ads that can't even be clicked on? I've been online since AOL in the mid 1990s. Even back then you could click on pictures on websites and ads would be a link that you could click on and it'd take you somewhere. r/CC ads don't have that level of functionality. There is a picture ad that isn't a link. You can't click on it. You have to scroll down and find the text link for the ad and then click on that. I get that it's how Reddit is designed but it is what it is. These ads suck. They don't work like web ads. Maybe they should cost more, but I'm not shocked that weirdo web ads that don't have basic 1990s internet level of functionality don't sell for much money circa 2023.
CoinBase is bringing "A/S/L?" back from the AOL days.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Don't be so sure about "Twitter (X) , Facebook, even Reddit" as a store of knowledge. People probably thought that about Myspace, AOL, Friendster, Google Plus, Vine, etc....
TIL that AOL still exists.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
I thought Nigerian Prince scams died with AOL, but it appears I am wrong. At least Santos isn’t sending me a DM with a profile pick of him scantily clothed asking for my seed.
Let's see... * Instant settlement of transactions as opposed to 3-5 business days. * Lower fees as opposed to 3% for traditional credit card processing. * Executable smart contracts for easier partnerships. * \[Insert one of many industry-specific examples here like product tracking, chain of custody, etc.\] I own a business, so I can tell you how companies implementing blockchain would make my life easier. Right now if I want to get paid for a contract I have, I may have to wait somewhere to the tune of NET 30 to NET 45 days before payment is sent as these are common contract terms. It is a miracle if half my contracts are ever paid on time, and I often spend a lot of time chasing them down 60, 75, or more days later. That money is often delivered via PayPal, which takes a 3% fee unless paid by the issuer. Then when I transfer to my bank I either have to wait 3-5 business days on top of that or pay a higher fee for instant settling. So, from start to finish, it may take 1-3+ months for me to get paid from the completion of a contract. This could easily be shortened to minutes in the future. My business may not, personally, ever have a need to go out and work directly on a specific project (i.e. I won't be personally coding anything novel or cool directly), but I will 100% use 3rd party services that utilize blockchain if it would make my life easier- namely around contracting and payment solutions. So either the services I already use adopt and become competitive, or I'll move to new solutions that give me what I need and the old companies will go the way of AOL or Kodak. Doesn't make a difference to me.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
No one knows. I personally think of BTC and ETH like AOL and MySpace. They have their 1st mover advantage but their technology leaves room for improvement. The problem is, I’m not smart enough to know or detect when the new Apple/Amazon comes out or the updated Google/Twitter/instagram come out. So I’ll probably hold some BTC/ETH forever
It'll take time, but we will get there eventually. Despite the financial speculation and overzealous hype, we are still in the very early stages, like pre-HTML days, where the decentralized protocols of the future are still being developed, made more robust, and better understood by developers let alone the public. For example the modern SMTP email protocol was first released in 1983. Before that, in 1979, delivermail was used, but the protocol was improved upon and abandoned in favor of sendmail. In those days, people found it easier and cheaper to write a letter by hand and send it with a stamp on it then to buy an expensive computer and spend their time becoming a nerd and learning how to set up and use all these experimental protocols that might disappear and didn't really become somewhat popular until 10 years later when AOL and HTML made graphical navigation easier for people to use the internet. It didn't explode in usage until another 10 years later, and then into the hands of a majority of people on the planet in smartphone form about 25 years after the protocol was first released.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Cryptocurrency and blockchain technology are perhaps this generation's equivalent of internet in the 90s. Mainstream adoption could only begin to happen when access to the internet became easy: PCs with a streamlined OS, AOL cd's sent to your home which streamlined uploading the necessary software to connect your pc to ethernet. It seems like developers might want to focus on streamlining every part of the crypto experience. The trick will be maintaining decentralization while also making crypto/blockchain accessible to the average person.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Trust me on this one, banks will adopt bitcoin and people's bank accounts will be bitcoin based. This will end up being the happy medium until it gets to the point where people realize that they don't need banks. It'll be like an AOL moment.
So they are doing their job? Kudos to them. Also til AOL still exists.
Except it’s not a stock, it’s permission to edit cells on a digital spreadsheet. It’s like believing that having an AOL email means you’re part owner of AOL, you’re not, you’re just a user of the platform.
Your second sentence "there are thousands and thousands of cryptocurrencies" more or less answers your question if you stop to think about it. Should there be thousands and thousands of cryptocurrencies? **No.** Would there be thousands and thousands of cryptocurrencies if global adoption has already happened? **Also no.** We are still early because 99.9% of projects need to die and the survivors need to be utilized on a large scale. Think of it a lot like the search engine wars on the early days of the internet. AOL, Yahoo, Google, Ask Jeeves, Lycos, Webcrawler, and 1000 others. Now there is Google and one or two secondary ones holding on for dear life. A metric ton of money was made in the early days, just like in crypto, but once the internet became widely recognized and started to be used (where you think we are within crypto), projects began to die but those that survived made even more money as they filled the void. Google has been up 100,000% (inclusive of stock splits) since going IPO while many of the rest have gone to 0. I fully expect the market to consolidate into just a handful of projects, and with that comes the final wave of money.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
The problem in the U.S. is that a lot of the wealth is still tied up in the last generation. You know, the generation that calls for computer help and you have to first ask if the computer is plugged in, and they still use AOL dial up. Explaining decentralization to them would be like explaining astrophysics to to your kitchen table. As they disappear from the scene, the younger generations will be more crypto friendly.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Even more unpopular opinion, more than half of the people worked up about this read a headline, in this sub and have no idea how any of this works. Need evidence? [Trezor sales some 900% ](https://thedefiant.io/trezor-sales-spike) despite the [exploit currently in the wild](https://youtu.be/50eiA-75NMY) (video posted May 24, so public around the same time everyone feel in love with their impermeable security). Fortunately this place is no longer a great indicator of the space as a whole - feeling like AOL for crypto these days.
Powell > /r/cryptocurrency There isn't a better duo than /r/cryptocurrency and shitcoin scams. Post from ~7 years ago where people said *"Bitcoin will be to crypto what AOL is now to the internet"* https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7kval4/in_20_years_bitcoin_will_be_to_crypto_what_aol_is/ - In 20 years Bitcoin will be to crypto what AOL is now to the internet. - Lol—try 3-5 years. - I think 20 months tops - 20 yrs? Think 2. - It' ll happen sooner. The world turns faster constantly. Bitcoin is like a fat, slow dinosaur - Agreed. Could be months. The space is wide open for competition. Could def see ETH and BCH taking the crown. - Someday people will think that it'd ridiculous to pay fees and wait time to transfer money and they will buy IOTA - Companies will not bet on a burning piece of garbage like Bitcoin, and whatever they pick will win. I guarantee it. See: Bosch/IOTA. - Hmm your comment has made me think of possibly splitting my portfolio four ways - ETH, IOTA, XRP, REQ. - The sad fact is there are coins from 4 years ago that are better than Bitcoin, we don't even need new projects to take leaps forward. - Tl;dr I think your bitcoins are going to be about as valuable as your 20 hours of free internet CDs from AOL - In 2017 alone, Ethereum, Iota, Ripple, Vertcoin, Monero and Litecoin have all made big moves in terms of tech and adoption. What will 2018 bring? 2019? Will Bitcoin still lumber into 2020?
Remember, there isn't a better duo than /r/cryptocurrency and shitcoin scams. Post from ~7 years ago where people said "Bitcoin will be to crypto what AOL is now to the internet" https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7kval4/in_20_years_bitcoin_will_be_to_crypto_what_aol_is/ - In 20 years Bitcoin will be to crypto what AOL is now to the internet. - Lol—try 3-5 years. - I think 20 months tops - 20 yrs? Think 2. - It' ll happen sooner. The world turns faster constantly. Bitcoin is like a fat, slow dinosaur - Agreed. Could be months. The space is wide open for competition. Could def see ETH and BCH taking the crown. - Someday people will think that it'd ridiculous to pay fees and wait time to transfer money and they will buy IOTA - Companies will not bet on a burning piece of garbage like Bitcoin, and whatever they pick will win. I guarantee it. See: Bosch/IOTA. - Hmm your comment has made me think of possibly splitting my portfolio four ways - ETH, IOTA, XRP, REQ. - The sad fact is there are coins from 4 years ago that are better than Bitcoin, we don't even need new projects to take leaps forward. - Tl;dr I think your bitcoins are going to be about as valuable as your 20 hours of free internet CDs from AOL - In 2017 alone, Ethereum, Iota, Ripple, Vertcoin, Monero and Litecoin have all made big moves in terms of tech and adoption. What will 2018 bring? 2019? Will Bitcoin still lumber into 2020?
In the 2017/18 bullrun /r/cryptocurrency got scammed. There were threads over and over again calling Bitcoin for Bitcoin to die saying it's the AOL, Netscape, MySpace of crypto and people fell for shitcoin scams like IOTA. There were a few people including myself trying to convince /r/cc not to fall for shitcoin scams - Bitcoin = crypto. The rest is a nice game to strip greedy "investors" out of their money. - Another one that missed the boat on bitcoin, that has been dazzled by the shitcoin sales pitch. if bitcoin's tech is so archaic, why hasn't the market chosen the superior tech? hint, better tech doesn't exist. Premined shitcoins scams are not superior technology. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7a3d7a/bitcoin_needs_to_die_for_the_greater_good_of_the/\ On the onset of the 2020/21 bullrun, I felt like /r/cryptocurrency would get scammed again. I tried to warned people many times but people fell for new hedge fund meme tech token dumps like Algorand, Avalanche, Solana or people who have scammed by multi-project token dump scammers like those from Ripple or Cardano. > I feel bad for the people who fell for the Bitcoin is a dinasaur tech meme. No no, you said invest in a newer faster tech whether it be a scam like Ripple, halfway working vaporware like IOTA or even an actual working product like Nano. Bitcoin is like MySpace you said and will be killed by the these techs. It's especially ironic that this narrative was shilled by Nano investors considering that the coin was named Raiblocks after nearly immovable Rai stones (Proof of Work) that were used as a store of value and method of exchange for over a century until Westerners with their ships extracted more Rai stones from the ocean causing inflation and eventually destroying their value. What a lot of people don't seem to get is Bitcoin is a technological innovation but more that it is a monetary protocol which has taken a decade to acheive network effect and adoption. That monetary protocol is not going to be easily replaced every few years by a newer protocol especially now that it has found instituitional use cases, acceptance and as a result large inflows of instutional $money. > You had a once in a lifetime opportunity of a 3-year head start to front run big dick instuitional funds and maybe even soverign funds but instead you chose to chase after shitcoins. As a result there are probably a ton of people who have been in crypto for years don't even have a whole Bitcoin or cannot afford one now but could easily have acquired one over the past three years. What's worse, as Bitcoin's value appreciates more and more, some of you don't even realize what is happening and are still chasing some shitcoins. At least acquire some Bitcoin for god's sake. There's no reason we can't all make it. https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/kk8n2g/daily_discussion_december_26_2020_gmt0/gh3kmjt/?context=3 You have the responsibility to remind noobs not to get scammed by shitcoins. The shitcoins and rug pull scams are not only the fly by night meme coins but especially the hyped big projects that scam everybody. The strategy is essentially the same: Create a shitcoin, keep a fat percentage of the supply to yourself, hype up a use case, pump the limited circulating supply and keep dumping on gullible "investors" and get filty rich.
#Litecoin Con-Arguments Below is a Litecoin con-argument written by metnavman. > *Full Disclosure* > > *I sold my position in LTC this year during the last run-up to the ~$300s. Prior to that, I'd held a triple-digit position in LTC since ~2013. I did make money from this coin. That is only because of my time in the market, and not any particular strength of the coin in question. Truth be told, I'd have made more money being in other positions, so it is irrelevant. Perhaps I'll regret it one day. Perhaps not.* > > *I have been banned from various LTC-related subreddits for my opinions, prior to ever making this post.* > > > > * The technology behind LTC is old. It is tried and tested, but it is old. While that's not inherently a bad thing for many applications, it's not a quality I would consider "strong" in a space where new technologies have vastly out-paced the capabilities of this coin. > > * LTC has the similar advantage that BTC has of being an early mover. As one of the first few coins in existence, it's been capable of catapulting itself into some pretty big places. Problem is, the coin hasn't really *done* anything with that. Mind you, I'm not saying that it hasn't had development, or that it hasn't seen improvements come along. I'm saying that it seems to have more or less reached the limits of it's capabilities as a PoW coin, from a technical standpoint and an investment standpoint. Specifically as a less-valuable version of BTC, and more recently, left in the dirt by DOGE. It unclear whether or not it will recover. It did [have this](https://news.bitcoin.com/grayscale-adds-174000-ltc-to-its-litecoin-holdings-price-of-the-altcoin-unresponsive/) and [this](https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout) happen recently, but so far, from a price increase/positive outlook standpoint, it's kinda [felt like this.](https://imgflip.com/i/5b3zj1) > > * [There are better coins for speed](https://www.stellar.org/?locale=en). [There are better coins for transaction fees](https://medium.com/nanocurrency/cryptocurrency-fee-comparison-which-crypto-has-the-lowest-fees-4e9118590e1f). [There are better coins to make money trading on](https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/), depending on [your level of risk](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-highest-growing-cryptocurrencies-in-2021/). There are better coins for storing value, namely the one worth the most. The only time that statement would change is if you were *already invested in LTC from years back*. Tl;Dr - **There are better coins**. The problem with this conversation is that it stops being about the technology behind the coin, and that makes it difficult to speak to the Pros and Cons without talking to the other aspects, which is discouraged within the guidelines of this case study. We drift into less technical merits and more psychological aspects/money-driven reasons: people who stand to lose money in their investment/not see the coin grow further and do not want that to happen. > > > > ==*The rest of this will lean in the opposite direction of the guidelines set forth for this argument. Past this point, you're entirely in the realm of my opinion/experience as a crypto holder/trader since the early 2010s. Do your own research.*== > > > > * Litecoin gives off that MySpace feel these days. It gives off that "my grandma still has an AOL account" vibe. If you frequent the large melting pot subs for crypto, you'll find LTC is largely dismissed or bemoaned as that "red-headed stepchild of BTC". It's boring. It doesn't do much. That said, what it **does** do, it's pretty good at. Not great, but good *enough*. For some institutions and use-cases, that's perfectly fine. > > * You will consistently hear people who are in favor of LTC tell you that the age is a "feature" and that institutional money wants "stability" in their investments. While I disagree with those arguments, institutional money should be meaningless when trying to create a truly decentralized currency that anyone can use for anything, I understand where those folks are coming from. They're in this game to make money, which is what most everyone is in this game for, and likely what folks reading these arguments are looking for. > > * At the time of this writing, LTC has slipped to #15 for total market cap. I mention that because it once held the #3 spot [(#2 lost and never regained to ETH shortly after ETH arrived on-scene)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BCadb6SPNQ). It's slowly decayed from those top positions as time has gone on. That's not *inherently* a problem, as many coins far lower on the list have great use-cases and bear markets always shuffle things up. However, it creates a very serious problem: negative perception. > > * Remember what I said earlier: psychological. People don't like betting on the loser. People like to see their choices succeed, and again, at the end of the day, the vast majority of people in this space are lookin' to make some scratch. LTC is a hard sell for that. This past 2021 run, [you had a brief 7-day window](https://ycharts.com/indicators/litecoin_price) to potentially cash out your position around $350-$380. 11 days above $300. A nice 10x if you'd been betting on LTC [since it was ~$20-$30 back in 2017 or Dec 2018-Jan 2019](https://cointelegraph.com/ltc-price-index), but nothing like the gains that many other projects have seen since then (and only if you sold and didn't "hodl"). The markets have since taken a **massive** hit in late May 2021, and LTC dropped even lower ($184 as of 26 May, but crypto be like that). > > * If you google LTC, you'll see a bunch of predictions about how the coin is "bound for 10k" and it's "always a solid investment". It's actually a meme on some of the LTC-specific subreddits that LTC is always "2 weeks away" from that next big break. In my humble opinion, that break has come and gone. Those of us who put money into the coin at $3 have seen 100x on our returns. The coin has been in the media since 2017, and is one of the few coins that has been shown in major news outlets alongside BTC and ETH. This isn't **new** news though. These developments have done nothing to catapult the coin to some mythical new height that it's "destined" to reach. In stock-lingo, one could consider these developments to already be *priced in*. > > * [There's good things to say about the coin](https://beincrypto.com/litecoin-completes-mimblewimble-code-ltc-scaling-privacy/), but this isn't that sort of movie. I personally don't think those good things out-weigh the bad, and the entire thing comes full-circle to the crux of these arguments: LTC's technology is not on par with what the modern crypto-space has to offer, and LTC is not going to make money in significant amounts for the new investor compared to other projects in the space. I'd challenge someone interested in becoming a new investor in LTC to ask other holders when they entered. Good money says the vast majority are still holding from the 2017-2018 hype, just hoping for a chance to either get back to green, or maybe see some new gains. Sure, there's whales and "old money", but they're the ones with the vested interest in keeping LTC afloat. No one wants to see their nest egg dry up, and like I said, there *are* uses for the coin... I guess... [Go read the "Pro" argument section.](https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/n5ugij/pro_contest_litecoin_proarguments/) > > * Just reading the linked articles, you can see incorrect/outdated information, price inconsistencies, hell, even the authors don't understand what "code complete" means for MWEB. Some of them [think it's already online for current use](https://anycoindirect.eu\/en/blog/mimblewimble-litecoin-s-vision-on-privacy)(it's not, as of 26 May). Cryptocurrency is volatile as HECK! > > > > **I could be 100% wrong. LTC could go to 1k this year. It could go to 10k in '24-'25. It might not. At this point though, what makes it any more likely to "moon" than other projects within the space? What does LTC offer that other coins don't already do and do better, aside from "already got an old, wrinkly leg in the door?"** *Take that as you will.* ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Litecoin) to find submissions for other topics.
Very easy when the victims barely understand the technology involved. My parents never learned how to set the clock on a VCR. The push button phone was cutting edge to them. F’n TV remotes were a big deal. We are talking about people from the end of WW2, the 50’s and 60’s. Take a second to think about all the changes since the 90’s. The internet wasn’t even a common thing until AOL in 96. It is getting harder to tell the difference between a computer voice and a real person and video deep fakes are becoming more realistic. It’s amazing more elderly don’t get scammed.
Imagine still shouting about MySpace’s supremacy from rooftops, or AOL’s. Things change, stop the indoctrinated parroting. This is still an emerging industry, you have NO clue what is going to happen, and neither does anyone else.
Nobody will know because BTC will have already been dropped onto the junk pile next to AOL, the Globe, PSINet, Worldcomm, Net2000, Lucent Technologies, Microstrategy, Strike, insert name of tech trash here...
CDC is more comparable to AOL or Yahoo.
I don't think the loss of third party apps will affect the site that much. There's no alternative to Reddit today like Reddit was to Digg in 2010. I was using Digg for years and moved over primarily to Reddit in like 2009. The difference in content today from then is wildly different. Today it's mostly a lot of viral videos and images reposted from other sites. A better functioning 9gag. Sprinkle in some popular news articles and text posts that are rage bait and that's modern front page/all view reddit. That's where the majority of users are. Scrolling through reddit on the official reddit app like they used to do on Facebook. I remember using 3rd party Facebook and Twitter apps too. For that purpose that made reddit mainstream, the official app functions well and is probably the most popular frontend to access for viewing and submitting content Facebook scrolling, at least for peoople under the age of 50, got replaced with a combination of Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and Reddit with Reddit being the aggregator of the most popular posts on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, etc. Reddit is mainstream social media. It survived the early social media melting pot to dominate it's niche. A lot of modern social media was determined in a window between like 2000 to 2012. In that period of time there was still a bunch of relatively internet popular (not real world popular like today) alternatives to everything and these sites were experimenting and screwing up hard to let through some copycat alternative that didn't screw up the experience as bad to the point of hitting some user critical mass. Every popular social media platform started as a loss leader to gain users. All getting backed by VC funds trying to be the next Yahoo/AOL Messenger/LiveJournal/Friendster/MySpace/Facebook. The golden age of VC funding social media money pits passed years ago. A reddit alternative getting the funding it needs to have cash to burn for the years it needs to supplant reddit I think is unlikely I personally liked the user interface and circles feature of Google+ more than Facebook. Google+ was just too late and Google just not willing to commit the funds to compete what would have probably taken years to maybe not even ever contend with the inertia that Facebook had built. It sucks that Reddit was founded by those it was founded by. There was Aaron Swartz who seemed like a good guy but left reddit well before it supplanted Digg. Then killed himself after the law went crazy on him for trying to force better access to scientific journal articles. The remaining co-founders are just garbage. Still remember all the drama and hate towards Ellen Pao in her short stint as CEO for it to then come out after she stepped down that she was pretty much just a figure head as everything people were blaming her for were decisions coming from the co-founders. She takes the blame while the co-founders just stay quiet and let the major uproar die down and by the time it comes out it was them all along, people have moved on
It will come. Using the good ol' internet analogy in the early days it was hard to get online, we came off BBS's and a lot of the early home users ended up using CompuServe or AOL, those weird walled web gardens. Eventually people wised up and many smaller providers appeared giving you unfettered access to the net directly that wasn't tough to set up. It's not a great analogy and we all want things to happen quicker but good solutions do take time. Killer apps will arrive and if they can make money with huge numbers of micro transactions that might be enough of a reason for them to succeed. Maybe some sort of profit-sharing system whereby if you run the app you're providing backbone or security to the new exchange and you get a slice of the profits. We're a way of this but some sort of decentralised easy to use app might work... If it can be open enough and get over the problem of someone controlling development.
I don't cheer any of them. Exchanges allowed shitcoin trading that diluted the actual reason bitcoin existed. Sec allowed it them to grow in order to discredit the reason why bitcoin exist. Got so tired of trying to explain this over the years and how coinbase was the same as AOL back when internet was just starting. Offering overpriced fluff to line their own pockets.
Did you find a daily use for all those AOL cd’s too
The guy is basically a career criminal. He's been scamming people since AOL.
In 1998, was it possible for AOL to not be the main internet for the American public? In 2005, was it possible that Blackberry phones weren't going to dominate the phone market? Yes. It's very likely that BTC will eventually become a vestige of crypto's initial growth phase. It's many technical and structural limitations are being addressed by newer technology that will eventually overtake it as markets shift.