MOD

Plenty_Cold_7617

I respect you got MOD status and you’re doing your part to discourage people from seeking financial advice from a Reddit source. I’m not doubt you and will take any advice from this source with truck fulls of grains of salt.

fatebound

I just checked out who the head MOD guy is over there and the dude spams a marxist subreddit all day. You can't make this shit up

Heatsincebirth

What is wrong with this MOD??? It's not about price... It's about date!!!!

LopsidedGuarantee829

Shut up pussy MOD. Diamond hands baby

fshock

Blockchain can unlock new type of games and their development. Imagine a game like Minecraft. If you create a MOD for it, people can play modified minecraft, but earning from your mod can hardy happen. However if such mod was made on blockchain tech, then could sell your mods and % of it could go to original game creators, so they would be also incentivized to promote mod community because that means game longetivity and more profits. Just one example of many possibilities. Ultra dot io is trying to achieve ease of use and ease of integration, cant wait to try their first game this summer

Umpire_State_Bldg

WTF is the matter with the MOD(s)?

Somsanite7

there is no low risk maby lower as others but buying in the Bullrun isnt good bc gains are already taken or dumping in a short time gambling in memecoins can go completley wrong and dont trust a Community or a MOD do some research before...and yes you can gain also... or buy potential Coins like TIA ORDI SOLANA BNB DOT INJECTIVE RNDR OPTIMISM FET STX (List ist my own guess and not completle DYOR and dont hate me 🫣)and hope the best

Original-Assistant-8

Vestudy from Qanplatform tried to post this, but wasn't working. Cheers If this happens pre PQC there will be mass panic, I will cover Block chain as it is my area of research, If a large chain wishes to implement QR , it will need to fork after deciding which NIST approved algo to add, they may need a consensus vote which even rushed can take some time, then If they try to implement it without consideration of all things it will take up WAY to much memory, If it needs to be replaced as NIST's recommendations could change they will need to fork AGAIN , to solve BOTH of these issue forward thinking Genius' at QANplatform invented XLINK to implement NISTs #1 recommended cryptographic algo for QR which is Crystals Dilithium which QAN choose FAR in advance of NISTs run off showing TEAM QAN to be eXpert in this area of QR here is a description of XLINK: XLINK protocol is QAN XLINK and is Designed in-house by the QANplatform team. XLINK solves any storage issues, as CRYSTALS-Dilithium key sizes are fixed, there is nothing anyone can solve about that, it's the usage scenario which makes the key size a non issue, if every transaction had to be individually signed by CRYSTALS-Dilithium, then it's a problem as it directly means two things: 1) Incompatibility with the whole blockchain ecosystem. 2) Rapid storage exhaustion since every tx and their corresponding signatures must be stored on chain. On the other hand what XLINK does is the following: 1) XLINK cross signs the elliptic curve public key hash (=your ethereum compatible wallet address) periodically with a CRYSTALS-Dilithium private key. 2) XLINK broadcasts this cross signature over the network so all nodes know that the particular CRYSTALS-Dilithium key is your fallback key in case of the quantum-crypto-apocalypse. 3) XLINK repeats this periodically, always throwing the previous cross-signature away (this is why storage is not relevant) This way we reach two things: 1) We can continue using all the Ethereum tooling (Wallets, SDKS, Dapps) as we remain fully compatible with the ecosystem. 2) We are safe until quantum computers can crack elliptic curve crypto in REAL-TIME (this will happen much much later) even when that happens we have a 100% secure migration path, since all EC keys have a fallback CRYSTALS-Dilithium key which can designate a new Post Quantum key pair. XLINK allows switching out of this QR algo with a flick of a switch rather than have it hard baking into the code like others are doing in error. Come on over to our TG group anytime, I MOD is both Official and Price Talk channels you will receive the red carpet treatment, bring all your friends too they are also WELCOME!

VESTUDYQ

If this happens pre PQC there will be mass panic, I will cover Block chain as it is my area of research, If a large chain wishes to implement QR , it will need to fork after deciding which NIST approved algo to add, they may need a consensus vote which even rushed can take some time, then If they try to implement it without consideration of all things it will take up WAY to much memory, If it needs to be replaced as NIST's recommendations could change they will need to fork AGAIN , to solve BOTH of these issue forward thinking Genius' at QANplatform invented XLINK to implement NISTs #1 recommended cryptographic algo for QR which is Crystals Dilithium which QAN choose FAR in advance of NISTs run off showing TEAM QAN to be eXpert in this area of QR here is a description of XLINK: XLINK protocol is QAN XLINK and is Designed in-house by the QANplatform team. XLINK solves any storage issues, as CRYSTALS-Dilithium key sizes are fixed, there is nothing anyone can solve about that, it's the usage scenario which makes the key size a non issue, if every transaction had to be individually signed by CRYSTALS-Dilithium, then it's a problem as it directly means two things: 1) Incompatibility with the whole blockchain ecosystem. 2) Rapid storage exhaustion since every tx and their corresponding signatures must be stored on chain. On the other hand what XLINK does is the following: 1) XLINK cross signs the elliptic curve public key hash (=your ethereum compatible wallet address) periodically with a CRYSTALS-Dilithium private key. 2) XLINK broadcasts this cross signature over the network so all nodes know that the particular CRYSTALS-Dilithium key is your fallback key in case of the quantum-crypto-apocalypse. 3) XLINK repeats this periodically, always throwing the previous cross-signature away (this is why storage is not relevant) This way we reach two things: 1) We can continue using all the Ethereum tooling (Wallets, SDKS, Dapps) as we remain fully compatible with the ecosystem. 2) We are safe until quantum computers can crack elliptic curve crypto in REAL-TIME (this will happen much much later) even when that happens we have a 100% secure migration path, since all EC keys have a fallback CRYSTALS-Dilithium key which can designate a new Post Quantum key pair. XLINK allows switching out of this QR algo with a flick of a switch rather than have it hard baking into the code like others are doing in error. Come on over to our TG group anytime, I MOD is both Official and Price Talk channels you will receive the red carpet treatment, bring all your friends too they are also WELCOME!

Less_Description9814

Please do not swear and behave professional since you are a MOD

thereisnoinbetweens

A Massive scam from the Cryptocurrency MOD using ( MOONS ) RCP. https://reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrencyMeta/s/S4FeZLCurz

TheOneWhoCared

Guys go and check out the MOD AMA. Let's have a healthy discussion and give suggestions.

CWB2208

If I recall correctly, there are only two vaults with over 1M moons, and one of them is a MOD. Gonna be tough for it to pass at this point I think.

moki339

Dude I didn't know MODs have a green "MOD" next to their name.. ^(and I've been here since ^(2017) ).

2_The_Moon_And_Back

There was another MOD that said a conversation has been had with Kraken though and they didn’t want this news out now. Don’t know what to believe at this point

CryptoIsThePlan

It take an hour to got MOD approval to even get this posted. It is already buried unfortunately. Yes, Reddit is promoting ads that are leading to people getting scammed.

NiceAsset

*YOUR message was deleted because it mentioned one of the top 10 trending cryptos and has hit its daily limit. Please talk about something you don’t care about instead Sincerely, the MOD team*

lemineftali

I still linger and try to answer questions after many years, but I am not MOD, and I just don’t spend as much time on here as I once did. There’s been a migration over the years. I highly suggest starting at everyone’s starting point on bitcointalk. Find answers to your questions there. Majority of talk happens on Twitter these days. Tons of folks there happy to answer questions too.

xklept0xCT

MOD with inside knowledge who admits to "buying the rumor, selling the news" sells off moons AFTER 10 eth purchase for banner space. This kind of behavior is NOT good for the community and SHOULD be addressed.

HoutopHout

Hopium on MOONs injected. There is speculation confirmed by a MOD there are talks to list MOONs on a top tier exchange. Could be a BIG step for our token and the sub

_s79

TL:DR * The screenshot in this thread is of MY spending * The DEX has not been indefinitely suspended * MODS are not gaming the system * No I don't think it is a rug pull * Plutus is far from perfect I\`ve been using Plutus since May 2022 (I moved from CDC when they nerfed their product to the point that I was looking for an alternative cashback card provider). I joined Plutus very skeptical having been badly burnt by Crypto dot com. With CDC I\`d signed up for their Ryby Red card for £300 and made decent cashback. The price of CRO had risen and I upgraded to their next tier Jade Green for £3000. It wasn't long after that they slashed their rates and my £3K was worth £1,200. Plutus appealed to me because they don't lock your stake (in fact it's not really staking, you hold PLU in your own wallet to unlock higher cashback rewards). Or, you just stay on their free tier that gives 3% cashback. This was a better option for me than CDC. Skip forward almost a year, and in that time I\`ve earned about 300 PLU using Plutus - I\`m not a big spender, but I\`ve used the card for everything from paying council tax, utility bills to holidays and meals out. Last week I bought a ledger and decided to withdraw 250 of my PLU (worth about $2,500). These transactions date back to May last year. This is where things took a turn. The withdrawal process is currently done once per week with a deadline of Wednesday 10am UK time and usually PLU is distributed on the Thursday. This week however, the withdrawal wallet wasn't filled and our PLU never arrived. There was little to no communication about this until I spotted a random tweet with the CEO who mentioned that they were looking into rewards abuse and that comms would follow Monday. On Monday evening an announcement was put out that they would be auditing the current withdrawals, and going forward we may be asked for receipts for larger spends. This isn't anything new as payments over £500 usually go through a manual approval process, and some high spending users are asked to provide subject of funds evidence to make sure that they're not money cycling or using the card for business spend. **The Screenshot** \- Yesterday I received an email (the screenshot) asking for receipts. Thankfully all of my spend is legitimate and the receipts were easy to obtain as the merchants had emailed me details of my orders. I posted the screenshot into the Plutus discord, but it was a bit of a surprise to see it on Reddit, posted by someone else! I don't think support manually checking receipts is the way forward, but I\`m also glad that they're tackling reward abuse as removing these users will only benefit the project itself. As for the age of the receipts, I can only think that they've pulled my 5 biggest spends (again I\`m not a big spender). I\`m confident that I\`ll get my PLU shortly, support have always been more than fair and often over compensated me with PLU when I\`ve had minor issues. * A point about MOD Abuse and business spend. The cards have always been for personal use, but it was never really enforced. It's true that MODS such as Dave who is mentioned in the thread, along with other users would regularly max out their card on grey/non personal spend but it wasn't seen ask breaking any rules at the time. * The DEX was temporarily suspended for upgrade improvement, it hasn't been removed and will be back in June. Unfortunately it hasn't been available for UK users for some time as it is awaiting FCA approval post Brexit. * Plutus are not perfect. They are facing growing pains with a small team. Development delays are frustrating but this isn't a rug pull. I am actually skeptical as to whether the OP is a Plutus user given the inaccuracies posted. ​ Feel free to ask me any questions or to expand on the above.

slash312

MOD. PRL and other flavor of the month coins in 2017.

Doggybone_treat

MOD can afford a lambo. Me, wen Toyota camey 2012?

LrnFaroeseWthBergur

After 50k+ views and 16 link shares, my post yesterday about the new avatars being out got removed for being a duplicate topic. The post was labeled *perspective* because I was talking about the cuteness of the avatars and I spent time researching facts about each animal as well as doing graphics. The goal of the post was to talk about the avatars and raise some awareness of the animals they portray. The goal was *not* to remind people to claim, that was only a tiny part of the post. I already knew there was another post doing that in a nice, short way, so there was no reason for me to make a similar post. I interacted with a lot of the comments and even received some awards. To be honest, I think the post was well within the rules and guidelines of this sub. I think it was a mistake that a MOD decided to remove it. Just wanted to vent this somewhere. Sorry if I ruined your mood with my negativity.

dark_deadline

Just tag some MOD they will fix it every human makes a mistake.

HankiiE

I fixed the punctuations and grammar for you. English may not be your first language but things like "it will change the world" are quite buzzy. Thanks to the MOD's help. Without his help, I don't know the rules of the community. I am a MOD on r/Openbazaar. the project was abandoned by the original team. Then we took over, rebuilt it, and rename it Mobazha. We firmly believe it will change the world. Our website: [https://www.mobazha.org/](https://www.mobazha.org/) GitHub: [https://github.com/mobazha/mobazha/issues](https://github.com/mobazha/mobazha/issues) By the way, we admit that we are not BTC maximalists. We just want to provide excellent products to the world. After the APP version is finished, and if we still have enough funds, we will develop the web version and integrate LN. Test version (android) link: https://github.com/mobazha/mobazha/releases/download/v0.8.1-test/mobazhaTest.apk You could try it and give us feedback. If you want to test the iOS version, please leave your email here.

Restart-eth

Try a Cold Wallet. Do some research before hand. It's super nice that MOD u/Fiach_Dubh is gone now and him and the boys arn't peddlin glacier protocol. Good job mod team.

amaqinisohe

Fact, these are some of the few things I consider too. And it has been helpful because it has led me to so many good low-caps projects like SYLO for the web 3 Sylo messenger dApp and to a few others like VRA and MOD.

Odlavso

So the head MOD of WSB chose the most active members of WSB to get the sub exclusive avatars instead of just releasing them to all others who did not participate in WSB before? this honestly sounds perfectly fine and if he decided to sell his avatar for 14 eth that's also perfectly fine. The avatars are meant as a reward for active users of the sub so the top contributors should get the best ones. It happens on this sub also, the most active members get the most moons

dark_deadline

He was never a MOD but an active member of rCC

slash312

It was called Modus (MOD) in 2017 - basically rug pulled lol.

NefariousnessSome945

I'm not talking about your DM, I get the confusion. I'm talking about other accounts that are afraid of getting banned for contradicting a MOD that's closing comments and pinning his opinion in tons of posts.

NefariousnessSome945

That's what I've been saying to the people in my DMs, if they ban us that just proves our point. It's fucked up that a MOD is doing that, even if they have some good security recommendations, it comes across like an ad lol

NefariousnessSome945

This sub is full of multi accounts talking shit on ledger and advertising "glacier protocol", even one MOD is doing that, pinning his own comments and closing new comments after that, and getting rekt by downvotes. I'm getting DM's of people that want to comment in my post but are afraid of getting banned. It's obviously a publicity stunt.

B1LL_Hwang

Get out of here with your FUD. Stop abusing your MOD title

Nobodyspecial2222

Wtf?!? Didn’t he just get In trouble from doing the same shit??? Omfg SBF is as dumb as a rock and people thought he was a genius?? This kid is a GAMBLER. And a bad one at that. He actually thinks he’s going to trade his way back from a 51bn dollar loss???? HE MUST BE A MOD ON WSB…

LittleAce7

Someone get on to a MOD and get this removed, can't have people going around spreading the truth. FAKE NEWS...FAKE NEWS, shout it loud enough and maybe it will ring true.

xmlify

Where are the MOD's?

NoEstablishment2458

As the MOD says DYOR, and believe me you’ll be glad that you did!! Listen to AMAs, Join the Telegram chat and be part of the community. It’s still super early. ❤️ 🦑

userfakesuper

You would be surprised at what can be pulled from reddit posts. You for example maybe came into a large inheritance and live in CA but would rather live in MA. You used to live in India for about 20 years and now live in the usa. You love coins and play all sides if it suits your agenda. You used to make 58k a year but managed to boost it to 100k per year through a couple of job changes.. You only pay 840 a month (with a roommate) in rent. This took me about 2 minutes with a superficial look at your account here. Its possible to dox you with a deeper look I am betting. I would never do that but that 1 million that was deposited into your bank (MOD CONFIRMED)...makes it tempting for people that do dox others.

eager-apprentice

Clearly didn’t read the article. They scammed people by hacking into and posting a message from a MOD’s account.

Dfranco123

So was the MOD for the daily heavy on Luna and forgot to add the new daily?

Rent2BPaid

!MOD

TrenRarely

Who drained liquidity?? 404dev is locked until 2099 bro. Crolicious was locked for 28 days & I think it might have been extended to 6 or 12 months now. Literally impossible for anyone to “drain the liquidity” For full disclosure - I did not have any association with launching either of these, writing contracts, etc etc. I do hold both of them though & mod one of the TG groups along with being a MOD in another TG we have specifically only for calling out scams & sharing legit projects on cronos. Honestly, it’s not even worth explaining the bullshit but I’ll attempt to clear the accusations & give a TLDR; 404dev launched a day after crolicious, there was no relation & no malicious intentions, someone jeeted crolicious hard so price dropped & ppl panicked (I missed ALL of this, wasn’t even home when it started dropping) , then they started blaming everyone in 404dev for crashing Crolicious, however none of the first ppl in 404dev had even sold a single Crolicious coin at that point. Crolicious ppl tried to start some bullshit drama (crypto amirite?) & then everyone pretty much squashed it yesterday & this morning. Another legit project on cronos just gave up (Cronect) & Crolicious & 404dev are BOTH still standing as purely community driven tokens. Go check the TG’s to see if it’s a “rug” , I understand completely why you’d think this, but it’s weird to hear ppl speaking on situations they actually don’t know about.

irdan87

Have a friend working at an MOD station in U.K. who says it’s actually worse than we are aware of. They deployed jets over today to assist. Reckons he will be working through the night back here in U.K. 🤷‍♀️

SumOfAllTears

BREAKING: RUSSIAN MOD -- "Military infrastructure, air defense facilities, military airfields and aviation of the Ukrainian army have been disabled by high-precision weapons."

pterodactylwizard

This sub shows sentiment behind selling, hodling, buying, taking profits, and everything in between. It’s not focused on one aspect over the other. The actual information OP was presenting was wrong and misinformed. MOD highlighted that. It was very thorough and desperately needed.

pterodactylwizard

OP was wrong on almost every single thing they said and MOD was doing their job by explaining what they got wrong and why. I actually enjoyed seeing MOD being thorough in explaining why every point was false or misinformed.

HoblinSquab

Reddit MOD LOVE banning folks for speaking the truth , no matter how provable and obvious it is.

tjsbitcoin

Yes, it would be good if a MOD makes a seperate post with all verified details.

Tryin2GetThru

Decent pump in crypto today! So happy to see green 

Barkmywords

Strudel and Modefi are on ETH. Its worth the gas fees if you stake 1 month or more. MOD also pairs with MATIC and Fantom. They are a crosschain oracle solution. Acala is on DOT and Karura is on Kusama. They both have miniscule gas fees.

David182nd

Well it's what the guy I replied to said. CRO at $5 is about $130-140bn marketcap. If nothing else moved, that would put it as the third largest coin right now. Binance has been a huge exchange with their own token for ages and even they haven't reached that, despite multiple 10x's in BNB's lifetime. For CRO to get to £5, let alone $10, would require a huge upward movement in the market from all coins. It _could_ happen, I'm not going to rule it out completely given ETH and BTC's marketcaps now great exceed that and surprised me in doing so. But these are the two biggest coins going, that have been around for ages and have their unique selling points that give them value. Does CRO have that same potential? _Maybe_ given what BNB has done. But people throw around these prices to casually to, I think, sucker people in. For every SOL or SHIB, there are tonnes of coins that people have said the same about which plummeted. Have you heard of DNT, PRL, MOD, QASH, ONT, etc, etc? Probably not, because they're all significantly down or don't exist anymore. They were gonna be big in 2017 and 2018 though!

Tryin2GetThru

Awww look at VET still showin it has some muscles left🙂 

canster78

This part-time shemale likes to post crap to farm moons....what a pitty life surviving from cents from this sub. Uses MOD to delete posts that contradict his bullshit. Good luck sucking dicks for pennies.

canster78

This part-time shemale likes to post crap to farm moons....what a pitty life surviving from cents from this sub. Uses MOD to delete posts that contradict his bullshit. Good luck sucking dicks for pennies.

canster78

This part-time shemale likes to post crap to farm moons....what a pitty life surviving from cents from this sub. Uses MOD to delete posts that contradict his bullshit. Good luck sucking dicks for pennies.

Typical_Branch_7965

BTC https://imgur.com/a/kkzcemH Choose this one MOD!

xite2020

MOD currently trading at $16.52 up 15%

HotDaaawg

Check the top comment by the MOD, bullish if you ask me

Electrical-Fix-2522

I hope you got the gist of Moons with the help of the link shared by the MOD bot. You would need to open your vault and any contribution from your end in this crypto sub Reddit by either posting or commenting you will start getting moons monthly in your vault. You can transfer them to your crypto wallet.

Few_Ad2528

ForeverBNB is a scam - see this for all the evidence - https://twitter.com/Prood19/status/1452288914237140992. Not only is it now confirmed, but the mod's are trying to get people to buy more so they can sell. The developer also reduced the reflection fee and upped the developer wallet %. EVERY MOD HAS BEEN TOLD. GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN.

Few_Ad2528

ForeverBNB is a scam - see this for all the evidence - [https://twitter.com/Prood19/status/1452288914237140992](https://twitter.com/Prood19/status/1452288914237140992). Not only is it now confirmed, but the mod's are trying to get people to buy more so they can sell. The developer also reduced the reflection fee and upped the developer wallet %. EVERY MOD HAS BEEN TOLD. GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN.

Few_Ad2528

ForeverBNB is a scam - [see this for all the evidence](https://twitter.com/Prood19/status/1452288914237140992). Not only is it now confirmed, but the mod's are trying to get people to buy more so they can sell. The developer also reduced the reflection fee and upped the developer wallet %. **EVERY MOD HAS BEEN TOLD.** **GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN.**

getupforwhat

Did you check out Modefi (MOD) in the Fantom ecosystem? Also an Oracle

mygallows

AutoModerator **MOD** *Now* We’re sorry, this post has been removed and flagged by the moderators.

ralfy00

haha i thought a MOD deleted the comment haha

DreadLord0309

Wish I were a MOD..... I wouldn't be sad if I were a Mod!

Bunker_Beans

He/she’s a MOD.

ralfy00

yeah i think it is just a bug , made me feel like a MOD

bachy1824


The_UnKnownEntity

You can keep your karma if you delete your post/comment, however if it's deleted by a MOD etc then no, you don't get any karma.

YesterdayNo3257

Hoe to become mod then ? I want to be a MOD

rynsp8

So, how does one become a MOD. Is there a sacrifice involved? I’ve got some pigeons.

Stinkerlii

I love Vechain too. Back then it wasn't yet clear if VET or MOD will prevail. Luckily I also bought some VEN(VET)

YesterdayNo3257

Look at MOD’s moon count

Damgalnuna000

Id be such a useless MOD haha would prolly start more trouble then I prevent

Phite007

I think ADA is going to need MOD exemption for posts in the same way BTC does soon since we’re all so supportive of it!

PowderMyWaffles

Ah ok, i see, MOD deleted ok got it. Sorry long day of charts

kris5722

I wanna be MOD now 😰

Virtual_Beast1123

MOD check! No photo only posts

Virtual_Beast1123

Ad! MOD CHECK!

kyonlife

Careful, the MOD hall monitors need to validate this self story

itsnotwhoyouthink5

A MOD???? Jesus Christ

chedebarna

Well, over at the B\*it\*o\*n sub, I got banned for MENTIONING ETH and ADA in the same breath as the fetish coin of the sub, despite saying that everybody should hold a bag of it because it's proven to be the store of value of choice and the OG. Literally, the MOD told me I got banned for "shitcoin shilling". I couldn't even reply, under threat of permanent ban from the whole website. So yeah, lots of psychiatrically ill mods around here.

skj4ua

OP taking down Bad MOD for us. 

UCMeInvest

Glad the MOD didn’t get let off the hook

Mr_NFT

Quite concerning it came from a MOD.

KizNugs

Tell us who that MOD is.

KizNugs

Most of us are more concerned that if true, the MOD is dealt with and removed permanently.

KizNugs

So a mod doxxed you? Who's the MOD and let's get him kicked. I wouldn't worry. "Paper Tiger" is all that they are.

warrelwind

>I never said that they were remotely similar, but you can't fear the computational ressources of OP_MOD when OP_HASH160 is used in all txs. I fear that OP_HASH160 is maybe a step to far already, but I endure it because I believe the tradeoffs between keeping it and disabling it tilts toward keeping it. >If that's your take, shouldn't you push for disabling many of the other opcodes that are currently available, to minimise risk? If you can prove to me that it's better to disable them, I will stand with you. >"too much computational ressources and block space" but if no one would use it you would argue "no reason to have them, only increases complexity and risk for no reason" Nice strawman. You haven't even convinced me that your use case for OP_MOD is interesting and would be a nett benifit to the system. >But at the same time you don't realize how that is inconsistent with a lot of the other opcodes that are currently enabled. As I said, make the argument to disable them, and if it stands, I will fight with you. >I actually have knowledge of the whole system and that's why I am looking into having a technical discussion about this, The fact that you are on reddit trying to have a technical discussion proves that you don't have knowledge the whole system.

435627793

>If it's your opinion that OP\_HASH160 cons outweigh the pros we can have that discussion. But don't conflate it with OP\_MOD, it's very clearly 2 different functions. I never said that they were remotely similar, but you can't fear the computational ressources of OP\_MOD when OP\_HASH160 is used in all txs. >We are building for worst case scenarios, this project is an attempt to reinvent money, not to see how far we can push our luck. If that's your take, shouldn't you push for disabling many of the other opcodes that are currently available, to minimise risk? >Is there something I missed, is your argument that OP\_MOD would improve on and replace the need for other functions? I'm listening, maybe you are on to something after all No one would use OP\_MOD for a normal transaction. The problem with your take is, that there is no reason you would accept some change for good, if most people would suddenly use a new opcode you would argue "too much computational ressources and block space" but if no one would use it you would argue "no reason to have them, only increases complexity and risk for no reason". But at the same time you don't realize how that is inconsistent with a lot of the other opcodes that are currently enabled. >Every change affects centralization in some way. This is part of the tradeoffs. This discussion can only be had with knowledge of the whole system, which brings us back to the list of things you should do before trying to make bitcoin better. I actually have knowledge of the whole system and that's why I am looking into having a technical discussion about this, but people are just close-minded and think no change to bitcoin would improve it and it's just perfect

warrelwind

>since OP_HASH160 takes a lot more ressources and is currently used in basically all tx. If it's your opinion that OP_HASH160 cons outweigh the pros we can have that discussion. But don't conflate it with OP_MOD, it's very clearly 2 different functions. >No, but how could you think enabling OP_MOD would be too big and too risky of an update, when taproot and introducing new signatures etc. is a waaay bigger change? I'm with you, we should probably consider the taproot upgrade very carefully. If the cons outweigh the pros we should probably put a stop to it, but I thought we are talking about OP_MOD? >You could also use OP_SUB in any tx but people don't, that's not how that works. We are building for worst case scenarios, this project is an attempt to reinvent money, not to see how far we can push our luck. >If the majority of tx start using OP_MOD instead of OP_HASH160 (for some weird reason), this would actually reduce required computation. Is there something I missed, is your argument that OP_MOD would improve on and replace the need for other functions? I'm listening, maybe you are on to something after all >Yeah but that's another debate. OP_MOD doesn't change anyhthing for mining centralisation. Every change affects centralization in some way. This is part of the tradeoffs. This discussion can only be had with knowledge of the whole system, which brings us back to the list of things you should do before trying to make bitcoin better.

435627793

>Is this an argument for disabling OP\_HASH160? No, it's a good way to show that there is basically no new computational cost you have to take into account, since OP\_HASH160 takes a lot more ressources and is currently used in basically all tx. >Is this an argument against taproot? No, but how could you think enabling OP\_MOD would be too big and too risky of an update, when taproot and introducing new signatures etc. is a waaay bigger change? >You don't know this. If there is a reason to pay to get it in a block in any capacity, you have to assume that it will eventually be in every transaction. You could also use OP\_SUB in any tx but people don't, that's not how that works. And even if they would want to put OP\_MOD in any tx, there wouldn't be any downside? If people want to pay higher tx fees to use that opcode in all tx's why shouldn't they? As I've said they could do that with a lot of other opcodes currently available. >The smallest change in computation and bandwidth has an exponential effect over time. If the majority of tx start using OP\_MOD instead of OP\_HASH160 (for some weird reason), this would actually reduce required computation. >Is this an argument for changing the mining algorithm? Yeah but that's another debate. OP\_MOD doesn't change anyhthing for mining centralisation.

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warrelwind

>OP_HASH160 which requries a lot more computation is used in all P2SH transactions, which are probably the majority of transactions today Is this an argument for disabling OP_HASH160? >The upcomming taproot update is a huge change compared to OP_MOD lul Is this an argument against taproot? >And there is no reason why most ordinary transactions would use OP_MOD You don't know this. If there is a reason to pay to get it in a block in any capacity, you have to assume that it will eventually be in every transaction. >Basically no influence. The smallest change in computation and bandwidth has an exponential effect over time. >If you actually care about mining centralisation then you should care about ASICs a lot more Is this an argument for changing the mining algorithm?

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>Okay, I'll try... What you want to do is approach it from the other side. Ok thank you >Decentralisation is key, if it's to easy to change Bitcoin, the project has failed and we have just created another FED. Saying that something has failed because it's improving is a lot of mental gymnastics, but anyway I get your PoV >Every change in the Bitcoin code opens the door for political influence and sets a bad president. The upcomming taproot update is a huge change compared to OP\_MOD lul >I ask, what do you want to use OP\_MOD for? e.g. trustless computational bounty for math problems You could obviously use it for more in combination with other opcodes that don't currently work >We start considering the technical implications. ok lets go >For instance, how many cpu cycles does OP\_MOD require on average. > >What happens if OP\_MOD gets used in every transaction eventually. OP\_MOD requries a lot less CPU cycles compared to OP\_HASH160 or other complex ones verifying signatures. OP\_HASH160 which requries a lot more computation is used in all P2SH transactions, which are probably the majority of transactions today >What is the additional cost of a fully validating node 10, 20, 30 years from now. How does this influence miner centralisation. Basically no influence. If you actually care about mining centralisation then you should care about ASICs a lot more

ghhtedcw5

>Why would allowing OP_MOD make the tradeoff not worthwhile, buthaving hashing operations, addition, substraction is ok? Why do you want to do arithmetic on the block chain. It seems expensive to use the blockchain as a calculator.

warrelwind

Okay, I'll try... What you want to do is approach it from the other side. ​ Consider that Bitcoin has to be, and stay incorruptible with many regards, but especially programming and politics. Decentralisation is key, if it's to easy to change Bitcoin, the project has failed and we have just created another FED. Every change in the Bitcoin code opens the door for political influence and sets a bad president. Every feature added, potentially increases the programmatic attack surface. ​ Thus, changes need to be justified rather than nullified. We can't even start discussing the con's before we haven't made a good argument for the change. ​ What happens next... 1. I ask, what do you want to use OP\_MOD for? 2. You give me an answer and your functionality sounds amazing. 3. You get excited and think you understand why other chains are better. Then... 1. We start considering the technical implications. 2. For instance, how many cpu cycles does OP\_MOD require on average. 3. What happens if OP\_MOD gets used in every transaction eventually. 4. What is the additional cost of a fully validating node 10, 20, 30 years from now. 5. How does this influence miner centralisation. 6. etc, etc, etc. 7. You get annoyed because, why is that important. 8. I tell you to do the list of things in the previous message to find out.