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Moody's boosts 2023 earnings guidance, trims free cash flow outlook (NYSE:MCO)
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Exactly! Pretty obvious. Get everybody fired up on a big monopolistic idea then settle for something less. United having all of ORD. No. Picking up space in BOS,JFK, MCO, and FLL. Win.
MCO is still down 20% from pre-SaaSpocalypse, moat narrative doesn't seem wholly priced in to me.
I am really interested in opening positions in SNPS around 380 and ISRG at a way lower price. Added slightly to most of the the stocks in my individual portfolio. META, BN, MELI, NTDOY, SPGI, V, TDG Also sold some index in my Roth to buy MSFT, MCO and RACE. I don’t believe it’s possible to catch the bottom but we have to be ready to buy great businesses at a price we are okay with. It can always go lower and we always need to have some liquidity.
There are lots of high quality names trading at discounts which I believe show much better next ~2-4 year returns than FIX at the current $1,450 price. I think FIX is now a big gamble given the valuations and multiple. FIX is already up another whopping 57% YTD following a 130% run up last year. This rally simply can't continue long term given the physical constraints of labor workforce. $1,450 is basically already pricing in a 20-30% YoY growth for this year, going into 2027, and possibly even into 2028. As we all know, the entire SaaS sector is unjustifiably punished. As my name implies, I've been continuing to actively invest in CSU. There are plenty of other high quality names that are very discounted. Some I have tracked that I believe are high quality at fair or even good valuations include SPGI, FICO, MCO, MSFT, CRM, BKNG, MELI, KNSL, CPRT, and BRO.
Yes, sold some index and bought more TDG, MCO, META and Nintendo. What do you have in your portfolio? If I remember correctly, you had and sold out of CSU and family.
Thanks to EFXT and MCO, I'm still green today.
Fun day for me. Just entered a small stake in DUOL and now seeing MCO, FICO, SPGI, etc. beginning to recover their valuation from the drop.
$MCO Earnings: MCO posted Q4 adjusted EPS of $3.64, beating $3.46, as revenues rose 13% year over year. Moody's Investors Service revenues climbed 17% to $946M, led by strength across multiple finance categories. MCO guided 2026 adjusted EPS to $16.40-$17.00, with revenue growth in the high-single-digit range
Totally, I get that. But based on my projections, if the AI narrative folds, it may take up to 10 years for FIX to reach this valuation again. Consider a sudden sell off of fears of cap ex growth slowdown (very possible in the next 1-2 years) - FIX will likely correct 30-60% back down to $400-600 based on how much of a rattle Deepseek caused. This can literally happen with any catalyst, and FIX is indeed a cyclical construction company. I will still hold 100 shares because this is my highest conviction play (50% of my potfolio), but I think I will continue to trim 65 more shares through April as there's just much more compelling names with higher FCF yields and much cheaper multiples (ie FCO, MCO, SPGI, CSU.TO...). Time will tell, but I think at ~60x earnings, time to de-risk.
[Bulls currently explaining their positions to their financial advisor](https://youtu.be/oCIo4MCO-_U?si=b9IlAHV8mE6dvfDZ)
Added to KNSL, GS, MCO, and SPGI.
No. The market goes in cycles. Even strong stocks sell off a bunch for dumb reasons, see Google last year as an example. My portfolio is made up for mainly high quality stocks with very strong moats, and I've been bleeding plenty of money so far this year because of all the illogical sell offs on stuff like SPGI, INTU, MCO, MSFT, etc. I'll almost certainly underperform the S&P500 this year if this keeps up. But I'm confident that 5 and 10 years out will be a different story.
(Sits and looks through the couple thousand or so things that have RSIs at 40 or lower for names of potential interest) Intuitive Surgical (AI optimization beneficiary, robotics), Uber (very discretionary and not the place to be if you think the consumer is cooling, but getting overdone almost back to the lows of last April), Shopify (also not the place to be in a downturn, but not really concerned about AI and the bizarre fade after earnings the other day has gotten excessive), Take Two (GTAVI and kind of the last remaining major studio that hasn't made a mess of itself like Ubisoft or been sold like ATVI/EA - AI will likely cut costs and could speed up production perhaps as soon as GTAVI: DLCs), Samsara, SPGI/MCO/MORN (earnings weren't great, but I don't see the AI disruption concerns to the same degree and down nearly 30% in a month and an RSI of 19, a lot is getting priced into something like SPGI), Reddit (I don't like aspects of how Reddit has changed in recent years, but earnings weren't bad and the stock is way oversold), trucking (I think the major names are AI beneficiaries and may further consolidate share and the fact that names were obliterated yesterday because a pink sheet company that was a former karaoke company announced some sort of AI program -https://finance.yahoo.com/news/logistics-stocks-sink-ai-fear-193327489.html - is silly), NDAQ/ICE (not seeing the disruption risk, will probably be a decent year of IPOs and while the market has been volatile, more volatility likely = more trading)
I been buying the hardware layer. It probably best to make a separate comment for that. As this is a SPGI/MCO defense force comment now. I agree great companies. I been buying FICO. Which has also been effected. Just not as popular probably the share price a part of it stock 1,300 a share.
Difference imo is that core SPGI/MCO businesses are some of the most resilient and best in the entire world...
This sub is starting to bring up SPGI and MCO. Hopefully those two dont become the next UNH/PYPL. Where the stocks keep going down after they became popular on this sub.
Added to MSFT, TOITF, SPGI and MCO. I think this is an extraordinary time where we can pick up some of the best companies of all time as they descend from their usually astronomical multiples. Also starting to do some DD on Sectra AB , they are a medical IT company.
Down significantly on MCO, FICO, SPGI, & CSU over the past six months. Bought some RDDT this week as I finally got comfortable enough with the business to add at these levels. I'm extremely patient though and am willing to add when I see opportunity. I'm pulling forward some cash to add right now because some of these companies look too solid regardless of short term fear. I remember getting a lot of flack for buying ASML on the way down due to China & geopolitical fear. I took a near 50% drop from it's Q2 2024 peak, and that holding has been my largest winner ever since, even after I cut 70% of the stake.
So S&P Global (SPGI) and Moody's (MCO) are down a bunch while TSLA is green again. Clown market.
loading up on MCO, just too cheap and oversold on stupid AI fears imo
MCO and SPGI falling knife 🔪🩸.
Added to SPGI, MCO, MSFT and AMZN. Delighted to be dipping in to these amazing companies. The threat of AI disruption to the first 2 is bogus imo, they will adapt to AI. Market Inteligence margins may compress, but I like to think that AI is not free as the market seems to think, which is evident is MSFT and AMZN dips, cloud compute margins will forever be lower for MSFT and AMZN vs pre GPU dominance days.
2008 couldn't kill these rating agencies.... but AI will. SPGI, MCO
It's awesome. Anthropic going for the jugular. MCO down over 10%.
I would, but the port is too large for them on my end. I'm going to add to MCO instead. I don't think AI will distrupt their analytics business completely due to their proprietary data, but I can see that business struggling long term if they don't adapt and evolve.
Thank you. I truly believe that hardcore research, conviction, and patience are the path to success in the market. This was over two months ago. I haven’t changed much. Current makeup is 29% ASML, 21% SPGI, 20% GOOGL, 16% MCO, 13% FICO Recent buys are SPGI and FICO, letting ASML ride without trimming. Patience is the game.
They literally cannot be, go research them: "S&P Global (SPGI) and Moody's Investors Service (MCO) operate within a, effectively a, government-sanctioned, "Big Three" oligopoly (along with Fitch) that controls roughly 95% of the credit rating market. This structure provides them with significant, "moat-like" competitive advantages and high, sometimes monopolistic, pricing power, particularly as institutional investors often require ratings from both of them to hold securities"
MCO/SPGI have a govt mandated monopoly on credit, they are going away but the data analytics sides could get eaten I suppose
MCO DOWN on a hulk green day. AI and specifically anthropic replacing financial services. Going lower.
Bought FICO, MCO, and NTDOY in the past week. The timing on MCO & FICO was exceptionally bad. No selling for me.
Looks like MCO, FICO, SPGI are down on the 10% cap for credit card rates. The bear case is that means less lending and lower demand for credit scores.
TRI and RELX down 17% on that Anthropic news. FICO, SPGI, MCO, and MSCI down too though dont know what they have to do with it they dont sell legal software. They are related to credit industry.
wtf happened to the credit agencies? SPGI/MCO tanking
Bought more FICO & MCO. That nonsense about Amazon rumored to dump $50 billion into OpenAI spooked me. At these valuations, both FICO & MCO have been dragged down slightly due to the software mess so I was happy to move my money into those holdings instead.
With software pulling down needless casualties, I'm thinking of putting more money down into MCO & FICO. AMZN spooked me with the rumors of them plowing money into OpenAI. I like to steer clear of poor capital allocation, and if AMZN can't think of a better way of investing $50 billion, that concerns me as an investor.
Buffett owns shares in Moody's, he doesn't own all of Moody's. You can buy shares in it yourself if you want, it's ticker is MCO.
What in the pump. Most of my holdings are up 3%+. S&P, ASML, MELI, MCO, etc. are just mooning.
Loading MA, V, MCO, SPGI, EFX, CSU
Scooping V, MA, EFX, MCO, SPGI at mid 20 PE turns me on
Buying some boring stuff but they're thicc and print money and might eventually get a big Shrek MA, V, MCO, SPGI, EFX
Consumer spending is skyrocketing: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1MCO2&height=490 Meanwhile, absent a massive spike in September inflation (no reason to believe we will see that now) August core PCE at 2.9% is low enough for Fed to deliver October rate cut. 3Q will have robust earnings and growth. Current forecast for GDP at a whopping 3.9%.
MCO & SPGI sliding. Interesting price action from both.
Moody's Flags 'Significant' Risks Related to Oracle's $300 Billion AI Contracts09:44:03 AM ET, 09/18/2025 - MT Newswires 09:44 AM EDT, 09/18/2025 (MT Newswires) -- Moody's (MCO) said in a Wednesday note that Oracle's (ORCL) $300 billion in recently signed artificial intelligence contracts entail "significant" risks. The financial services company also said the contracts present a "tremendous potential" for Oracle's AI infrastructure business. Reuters said in a Wednesday report that Moody's particularly noted the contracts' "counterparty risk" that could lead to Oracle depending on large commitments from a small number clients to fund its business model. *Oracle did not immediately respond to MT Newswires' request for comment.* **No they didn't. Larry just said Ai and ORCL went up a 1/4 of a TRILLION dollars.**
Or we get another Medicare or Medicaid executive order and it’s all a waste of time. These MA plans are already looking like financial losers. Medicaid plans will not be worth pursuing as a MCO once 2027 hits. I am sure the company will truck along but I see nothing to suggest it’s gonna improve anytime in the next 4-8 quarters
SPGI & MCO are basically an oligopoly as well as Fitch (which isn't publicly traded) for rating corporate and government debt. You basically can't sell bonds to investors without a credit rating from one of those three. Many bond holders won't trust a credit rating from anyone else, so it's not worth it to get a credit rating from someone else even if they give it away for free. They also have other businesses as well. Like S&P manages the S&P 500 & DOW and gets royalties for any fund using their name. and Moody's has Moody's analytics, which uses the same data they use to rate corporate debt for some corporate customers who want access to the data to.
It’s not Luigi. Look at other health insurance stocks. The entire MCO industry is getting nailed by utilization.
If i was trying to invest 100k into a singular stock and that was a significant amount of my money, not a great idea. CVX, FICO, MCO, PANW are positions I would take if I was picking singular stocks to put into a large position.
$MCO News "Moody's (NYSE:MCO) lifted the low end of its earnings guidance range for the full year after posting second-quarter top and bottom lines that surpassed consensus estimates. The provider of credit ratings and market data analytics now sees 2025 adjusted EPS of $13.50-$14.00 (midpoint $13.75), in line with the $13.78 average analyst estimate and narrowing from $13.25-$14.00 (midpoint $13.63) in the prior view. Turning to its Q2 2025 results, adjusted EPS of $3.56, topping the $3.39 consensus, slid from $3.83 in the earlier quarter, but rose from $3.28 a year ago. Similarly, Q2 revenue of $1.90B, beating the $1.85B expected, retreated from $1.92B in Q1 and increased from $1.82B in Q2 2024. MCO shares slipped 0.6% minutes after the opening bell. Analytics revenue was $891M in Q2 vs. $859M in Q1 and $806M in Q2 2024. Q2 Investors Service revenue of $1.06B compared with $1.07B in the previous quarter and $1.06B in 2024's Q2. Expenses totaled $1.08B, unchanged from the prior three-month period and up from $1.04B in the year-ago period. Adjusted operating margin of 50.9% vs. 51.7% in Q1 and 49.6% in Q2 2024." Business as usual
Ive been selling some tech and semi cap (sold SNPS, CDNS, trimmed heavily AMAT, LRCX and KLAC, trimmed slightly AMZN, META) I am sitting on some cash and I absolutely hate not being invested. Are there any quality non tech names that anybody is willing to suggest at today’s valuations? Thanks I added a little bit to MSCI and own some SPGI, MCO, UNH . Admittedly I have a bias for large cap due to perceived safety. I was thinking using my meta proceeds to buy more SPGI and start a position in BRKB
Been patient on RACE to see if I can add a bit more at a steeper discount. ASML always looks interesting but I did my adds there during Mangomania. NTDOY (ticker for Nintendo 7974 ADR) is one I will be adding to if there are any sell offs after earnings. I'm also looking to see if there's any dips in MCO or SPGI now that the Trump Admin seems like it'll force the FED to drop interest rates. On the watchlist, MELI and AMD are two that I've had my eye on over the past couple of months but I haven't touched them yet.
If its about wealth preservation it’s definitely BRK.B or something like MCO SPGI. I don’t see anything stopping this companies from compounding. Not necessarily stocks to get rich fast, but reliable compounders that will almost certainly around in 30 years.
Thanks. Are US treasuries still considered investment grade? I know MCO changed US sovereign debt creditworthiness, but I don't know all the grades off hand. I like VGLT because it's cheaper than TLT. I guess that would be considered medium-long bonds. I was looking at EDV but I also know it has way bigger interest rate risk, not necessarily a bad thing. I think I just need someone to sell it to me. I know longer duration has lower equity correlation. I do hold some BNDX in my taxable but generally shy away from corporate bonds due to the higher correlation with stocks. That's why I also like gold and managed futures.
Hah same. When it hit $1,500 I just thought, do I sell some SPGI/MCO to buy in? Then I said "no..... there'll be some pressure tomorrow even though the valuation makes more sense here." Stock is up nearly 7% on yesterday's closing price haha
Imagine SPY ending green and MCO ending red 
MCO: downgrades US Market: Cool, anyways
Moody's out here just proving their irrelevancy. For all you bears that like puts, short Moody's ticker MCO
I'm up 1.4% on that rn Down 0.9% on TLT Up 0.9% on SPXS Up 1.3% on MCO
MCO puts 
MCO out da-win-doh!
Trump will play his Uno card with MCO…
Put it all into a weekly put for Moody (MCO)
Moody's (MCO) literally dropped their own stock.. idiots
Jeez, wish MCO had done that before the bell, would loaded up on puts.
SPGI, MCO, GOOG, HWKN. All wonderful companies, but not all lines go up simultaneously. I just think it's really stupid how so many people on this sub are opposed to going ex-US, when there's opportunities everywhere.
I nibbled a bit more on MCO. I also rethought my positioning across the board during the whole initial liberation day fiasco. I sold out of V and MA completely and went international. Dip bought Nintendo and ASML while entering positions in Constellation Software and Ferrari for the first time.
The three of them are quite similar. SPGI and MCO are the two largest credit rating agencies with Fitch coming in as the third. The credit rating business is heavily oligopolistic and they generally can increase prices above the rate of inflation while keeping their costs down, leading to incremental increases in margins over the years. SPGI is a little bit more diversified than MCO and they have another great business. This is their indices business, which is highly profitable. I’m sure you’ve heard of the S&P500 and Dow Jones. SPGI owns and manages these and many more indexes. Then they both have their data and analytics business which is okay. MCO is more of a pure play on credit. FICO is much the same, except their focus is on individual people’s credit, as opposed to companies and countries credit. All three of them are great businesses. I tend to go after monopolistic companies if you can’t tell.
uncertainty too high for now. i was buying when SPY was below $500. got my eye on GOOG, CRM, MSFT, NKE, MCO. bought some VIX calls expiring 4/9 and 4/15 on the 2nd. that was a solid trade.
Roth IRA and 401K are in S&P 500 mutual funds. Taxable brokerage is as follows: SPGI 25% MCO 19% QQQM 18% ASML 16% GOOGL 12% BRK.B 7% FICO 3%
I loaded up on Nintendo, ASML, and MCO as everything went down. This price action is fucking insane. I hate this administration.
This company screened well for me too, but they have strong competition from Bloomberg and a more limited TAM than others like SPGI, MCO, etc
BKNG, FICO, AXON & MCO paper value are bloated fantasies too
Bull thesis comes down to buying a company with proven accretive organic growth with little acquisitions in it's track record. The company has a deal win rate of over 70% while competing in mission critical WMS industry. The company is also expanding into Omni channel enterprise software which expands their SAM. Biggest risk is the macro over the retail industry. If the current environment turns into a recession, the company would still be a little overvalued, as their service revenue would drop further (they handle implementations internally as opposed to a company that outsources systems implementation like Oracle). I put money in the company, but am cautious about keeping my money there as I see attractive opportunities like Adobe or buying more of my favorite companies like ASML, MCO, GOOG, and SPGI at current valuations.
Bought my first (fractional) shares in both MCO and SPGI.
That makes sense—SPGI and MCO are solid long-term plays. ASML is definitely volatile with the broader semiconductor swings, so being cautious there seems smart. Are you leaning toward adding more GOOG first, or just waiting to see how the market moves across the board?
I'm slowly adding to two of my large holdings (SPGI, MCO), and am seeing how much more ASML and GOOG will drop before adding more. I don't want to have too much volatility from semis, so am cautious on adding more to ASML. I would say all four firms are in my sights. Most of my portfolio looks attractive to be fair as things stand.
I think this is doable and has a good chance of success provided you follow the right investors who are into long term buy and hold. Chuck Akre first spoke about Visa and MA and MCO 8 years earlier at Google Talk. He is the kind of buy and hold investor. So could have copied his trade years later and still made a huge amount of money. The idea that you need to find some esoteric stocks that haven't been discovered yet to make money is really silly. Identify good businessss in plain sight and if held by super investors who like to hold for long term bet on it (DCA even)
I have other investments. But I do set "pie in the sky" alerts for things I think may be around a while. LMT, COST, MCO, and even RDDT. So, if it hits $40...I just might take your bags and see how I do.
My 2cents will be don't reinvent the wheel. There is no need to go out looking for esoteric unheard of names of either a cheap stock or yet to be discovered amazing business. Some of the best business are in plain sight - available to all - google, MCO, spgi, AXP, ice, V, MA etc. They alone held with conviction over long term will do fabulous.
$MCO "Moody's (NYSE:MCO), a provider of credit ratings, research, and risk analysis, recently unveiled its earnings for the fourth quarter of 2024 on Feb. 13, 2025. The company's earnings were highlighted by an Adjusted Diluted EPS of $2.62, aligning with market expectations. However, its revenue of $1.7 billion fell short of the anticipated $1.71 billion, suggesting potential hurdles in its topline performance. Overall, the quarter showcases solid earnings amid a slight revenue shortfall. During the fourth quarter, Moody's recorded a revenue of $1.7 billion, representing a 13% year-over-year increase. Despite this growth, revenue did not meet the anticipated $1.71 billion, reflecting complexities within certain business segments. Moody’s Analytics posted an 8% rise in revenue to $863 million, with strong contributions from banking and insurance segments. Meanwhile, MIS saw an impressive 18% growth to $809 million, fueled by a 29% spike in transactional revenue attributed to higher corporate finance activities. Looking forward to 2025, management forecasts a high-single-digit growth in revenue with an Adjusted Diluted EPS range between $14.00 and $14.50. Moody’s remains optimistic about leveraging favorable market conditions through strategic execution in both its segments." Flat earnings with a solid outlook. It's really hard to find lower risk businesses that provide excellent returns like the credit ratings agencies.
I’m gonna quote Yogi Berra to answer your question: “It’s hard to make predictions, especially about the future.” …but yeah, there’s seems to be a rotation out of the Mag 7 (aside from META), investing in finance (JPM, GS, MCO, V), mid caps and industrial.
my roth atm is 100% the following 5: QXO AZO MCO PRM RACE
MELI looks very interesting right now. I wish I had more money available, because that would be top of my buy list. Either that or adding to MCO.
Visa (V) + Mastercard (MA) (combined 80% of market effective monopoly by owning both) Moody's (MCO) & S&P (SPGI) (combined 80% of global market effective monopoly) ASML (pure monopoly)
One quick gut check I like to do is compare to similar market cap stocks. For ABNB, interesting ones with good moats at similar market cap: -MCO - Moody’s. -BN - Brookfield. -WM - Waste Management Tough choice. But I personally really like Brookfield, it would be my first choice.
All Railroads and big garbage/recycling companies like WM and RSG that buy every competition. Amazon,Google,VISa,Mastercard,SPGI,MCO. To create a other company like them from scratch is basically impossible,it requires years of time and billions of investment at a lost for a few years.
I can't imagine ever selling: MCO, SPGI, CNI, CP, CPRT, IDXX, RY
Bought some as well as MCO on the post earnings dip. It's hard to find better businesses out there, especially with their competitive advantages and their growth rates.