XLF

crazier_ed

XLF ?

fire_alarmist

XLF STILL DUMPING, and you guys still ignoring the looming liquidity crisis and credit crunch. Lol, lmao even

fire_alarmist

The fed hit the emergency, "save the XLF banking etf from dying and showing we are deep in a recession and financial crisis" button

dejaone

Most sectors are expensive right now. XLF and XLC are relatively cheap.

dimethylhyperspace

For the XLF? Hooefully if Visa comes in good we get a solid uptrend over multiple days. When I play XLF I'm usually looking for the ETF price to move 2-3$ before I close them out

Strange_Resource_217

Tf is XLF

fire_alarmist

We spend the entire last 2 weeks with the most manipulated SPX options ever seen, SPX options trading turned off multiple times, half the internet and markets turned off coincidentally when everyone thought it would be black monday, massive random gap ups that were given up asap except Friday, regional bank failures, random XLF banking etf liquidations causing -$3 insta SPY plunges 3 times and they think another random sussy ATH in overnight trading and paying extra for more anti bear AI comments on reddit will fix it? Lol, why would I stop buying puts NOW, you have already extended the move $100 past any semblance of reason. If anything my chances are BETTER if I buy puts tommorow than they were Friday.

dimethylhyperspace

Kind of bummed I closed my QQQ calls Friday. But 9/10 it feels like I either take the profits given or I lose them lol. I will be looking to buy XLF calls for Visa earnings though

fire_alarmist

Friendly reminder the financial system you rely on is suffering such a severe liquidity crisis that a .5% drop has regional banks failing, and spy dropping $4 in a minute multiple times a week as the XLF banking etf gets liquidation sells. Im sure your money will be there tommorow, dont worry.

fire_alarmist

Uh oh xlf trending down again pretty hard... Is everyone ready for our 4th XLF liquidation of the week? Are we all prepared for another -$4 1 minute candle on spy?

fire_alarmist

LOL go look at the XLF afterhours trading on a minute by minute basis. They erased some of the afterhours minutes, to hide the massive wicks that would be reported by dark pool trades today Im sure.

fire_alarmist

XLF trading halted btw, not a financial collapse brewing btw. You will surely be able to get your money out of your brokerage/bank tommorow dont worry about it

fire_alarmist

Regional bank liquidity issues last week, they conveniently turned off half the stock market/internet on a Monday that was poised to be extremely bearish, SPX options have been turned off twice this week, options pricing in general is wacko this week, and XLF the banking etf is the cause of these massive spikes down. And you say stop loss hunting????? Bro some of these bulltards really just need to be culled already.

fire_alarmist

Guys.... XLF is ominous af

fire_alarmist

I think a lot of you are not understanding the gravity of the situation, XLF teetering on the edge and that was the third higher time frame SPY ATH rejection and 5th look above and fail of the upward channel we started 4 months ago.

fire_alarmist

Uhhh you guys a busy squeezing your fake meat and didnt notice XLF is back down to the levels it was when the regional bank failures were happening last week and trending down???? Geee I wonder what is happening

fire_alarmist

If you want to see something cool, watch how your internet/robinhood magically freezes more when the big red bar shows up on XLF the financial etf. No coincidence, definitely not the big boys hitting the time out button.

OrangeForeva

OP: Are you talking about the credit market fears started by JPM comments and Zion? You can see some of the fear there in XLF. Don't think it's bad enough to cause a gold selloff (yet?)--that's likely just profit taking IMO.

pho_SHAten

SPY is starting to signal liquidity exit; financials and energy led the move. Price has been below the 20 MA for 6 days (9 days for XLF and XLE). Haven't seen this type of pattern since Feb 2025. the VIX spike proves institutions are buying downside protection. QQQ isn't bearish enough so i think it's just specific sectors that could get hit. if those sectors can't recover, the selling could escalate further.

fire_alarmist

Uhhh guys... XLF is back at its january support level right before the big crash... What happens if it goes...

MeasurementSame9553

I’m buying puts on XLF. Jamie Dimon’s cockroach quote was a signal. Probably a signal where I lose money on my puts 🤣 bear mode let the market fall!!!

Fit_Combination6988

Sold out of my XLF Oct17 54 puts for a $4.7k loss on Sept18. Those would have put me 10k in the green had I held 😔

aweberbrown

XLF calls!!! Sharing with the world for easy money!!!

aweberbrown

Buy XLF calls before market close for an easy profit tomorrow!!!

Gainztrader235

Here’s what I do and most institutions. One effective way to protect a portfolio from downside risk is through the use of long-dated put options a strategy commonly employed by institutional investors. By purchasing puts on broad market ETFs like SPY (S&P 500), QQQ (Nasdaq-100), or even inverse ETFs such as SDOW (3x inverse Dow Jones), investors can establish a form of insurance against major drawdowns. These positions increase in value when the underlying market declines, offsetting losses in the long equity side of the portfolio. How It Works - A put option gives the holder the right—but not the obligation—to sell the underlying asset at a set price (the strike) before a specific expiration date. - Long-dated puts (LEAPS, or “Long-Term Equity Anticipation Securities”) can extend 6–24 months out, allowing more sustained protection without constant rolling. Key Considerations - Theta Decay: Option value erodes over time due to theta, especially as expiration approaches. The longer-dated the option, the slower this decay, but it still represents a cost of holding insurance. - Delta Exposure: The value of a put increases as the underlying price drops, but decreases if the market moves higher—so gains in your core portfolio typically offset these paper losses. - Volatility Impact: Rising volatility (VIX) during market stress boosts put premiums, enhancing hedge effectiveness. Strategic Implementation - Index Hedges: Buying SPY or QQQ puts protects against systemic downturns across sectors. - Sector-Specific Hedges: Investors may choose ETFs like XLE (energy), XLK (tech), or XLF (financials) depending on exposure concentration. - Direct Hedges: Buying puts on individual holdings—such as AAPL or NVDA—can protect specific core positions without over-hedging the entire portfolio. - Dynamic Adjustment: Some investors adjust their hedge ratio based on volatility levels or key technical levels (e.g., 200-day moving average breaks). Example An investor with a $500,000 equity portfolio might buy SPY $450 puts expiring in June 2026. If markets drop 15%, those puts could gain enough value to offset 20–40% of the loss, depending on strike and timing.

gmehra

buy XLF (financial companies)

Hot-Pop-3250

XLF isn't rolling over though

Tardigrade_Man

For some reason I'm salivating at the thought of cheap $XLF calls...10/17 $54 calls, to be precise 🤤

Tardigrade_Man

Do we short bank earnings or nah? $XLF started going down before the crash and the sell volume has been huge...

Fvkjn

Puts on banks in general. XLF and JPM is my pick to short

smitra00

Short NASDAQ by shorting TQQQ and shorting SQQQ as a hedge. Long VXX and also short VXX as a hedge. Long XLF by shorting FAZ Long TLT by being long TMF Neutral semis by being short SOXS and also short SOXL at the same exposures.

Hot-Pop-3250

Why is XLF recovering?

TheInkDon1

For me, an ETF *is just a chart*. ANY equity is **just a chart.** Find charts that are "going up smoothly" (subjective), THEN look at the ticker. You need that so you can go buy the thing. But it's just that: a 'thing.' A thing you use to make money. I'm purely a momentum trader: if it's doing well now, [all these studies](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0927538X18303998?via%3Dihub#preview-section-references) say it should continue to do well for a while. Try to get out of the mindset that you have to 'pick' ETFs (or stocks). "Home builders should do well in the spring, let me go buy XHB." "Oil and gas should do well, what with Russia sanctioned, I should buy XOP." "Oh, banks should benefit from this administration's deregulation efforts, I ought to buy XLF!" Those things are fine, IF the price action supports the thesis. If not, you're waiting around *not making money* until your theory materializes (or doesn't). *Better to find things that ARE going up, and buy THEM, don't you think?* So to finally answer your question: **I wouldn't manage inverse ETFs any differently.** When I need to cut a loser, I'll screen all ETFs on recent performance. When I find a chart I like, THEN I'll look at its ticker symbol. If it happens to be an inverse ETF, so be it. *Does it behave any differently than any other ETF?* No. It goes up, it goes down, and/or it stays flat. Those are the only 3 things any equity can do. It'll become one of my current 5 picks, and I'll monitor it just like the others. If its chart starts to roll over and go down, I'll sell it and pick something else. React, don't predict, it's really that simple. Take care.

Hot-Pop-3250

XLF 1/16p look like they could work

Training_Baker5454

XLF leaps.

Fiddli

Money is rotating from tech into small caps and financials. Look at QQQ XLF and IWM, big money is selling off their tech holdings and taking their profits. SPY will stay flat as money isnt leaving the market just being moved around

Recent_Register_2952

XLF SNAP BITF BB leaps

leomeng

Mega sized positions in GLD GDX SLV PAAS SILJ XLF GS RKT We are going to Valhalla tomorrow.

bdavid21wnec

$XLF?

leomeng

I may be regarded, but I am absolutely loaded on: IBIT, ETHA, GLD, GDX, SLV, PAAS, SILJ as well as GS XLF C

leomeng

Damn. XLF C ETHA IBIT GDX GLD SLV PAAS They were accumulating for a whole week. Gonna make a massive move soon

FrequentLee000

Why puts on SPY ? And nothing on XLF?

trumpdiego

Even XLF and XLE will do. Energy/Finance will benefit greatly from AI as will the companies I listed above. The AI benefit to tech has been greatly exaggerated whereas these industries it's just beginning - that is if you believe the AI narrative, which I mostly do.

leomeng

Since it was hectic today: They were going very hard buying XLF XME GDX in mutli million dollar call buys

Fabulous-Ad6846

so all in on XLF?

Fearless-Bridge-9927

any good suggestion for XLF ? Call or put ?

Personal-Theme803

VONG, PHYS, CIBR, XLF. Sorry, that’s 4

tnguyen5057

I sold most of my NVDA shares and put it all into different ETF sectors. FNGU, NAIL (my most reliable etf), CURE, XLF, URTY, and SOXL. Have 20k in RDDT, 20k in HOOD, and 15k in META for long term.

sharpetwo

Everyone wants the perfect csp ticker but the truth is you are not picking stocks: you are picking volatility regimes. When you do them, you basically sell crash risk insurance. You want names where: \- IV is rich relative to realized (variance risk premium exists). \- Indeed, liquidity is deep enough to get fair fills. \- Fundamentals are stable enough that a 30% gap does not wipe you. That usually points less to single names and more to index ETFs (SPY, QQQ, IWM) or liquid sector ETFs (XLF, XLK, XLE). You get diversification, tighter spreads, and you are not betting your account on whether some CEO go have a little fun with his head of HR. If you insist on single stocks do it data-driven: screen for names where put skew is elevated and the market is paying up for downside insurance. Starting by looking at how expensive IV versus RV is always a great place to start. If you can't do it in a data driven manner, you need to sell CSPs when the market is paranoid, not just because a stock sits on a watchlist. But if the market is paranoid, the risk is also probably there for a reason.... The edge in csp is not “finding the magic ticker.” It is in position sizing, premium vs risk.Then comes discipline on rolls/exits. But without that, the ticker list does not save you. Good luck.

old_Spivey

Halt die Klappe! Felix is a brilliant guy with a fantastic personality. His ideas are very sound and can lead to substantial gains. As another poster stated above, he does find good investments before some of them really take off. The wins far exceed the losses and if you set stop losses, you will continue to gain in a bull market. If it is a volatile stock you can't set the loss at the buy point or you'll likely get kicked out of your trade. You have to take some risk, usually 5-7%. If you lose that 5-7%, you chalk it up to the cost of business and let it be offset by your other trades of 10-20%. Diversification is also key, although paying attention to the moving sectors will help a lot.( I personally watch the XL funds: XLE, XLF, XLV, XLK etc) I have not paid for his GOAT Academy because I don't have the funds for it now. But I do enjoy his erudite humor, his pets and the approach he takes. Like others who have stated before me: if you don't like it, don't watch. What miserable wretch expends their energy trying to find fault with someone they supposedly don't care about?

Recent_Register_2952

back to XLF leaps

MasonNolanJr

I would actually recommend setting $10k aside to learn to trade the wheel on XLF. Cash secured puts and covered calls are the safest way to learn everything about options. You won’t make a ton of money, but you won’t lose money either. You’ll basically get paid some loose change to learn.

IntelligentDamage824

XLF more invested in BRK B than JPM. still follows jpm movement more closely ugh

SnS2500

Given what you said, I'd suggest coupling VOO with IGM (as opposed to XLK and VGT). IGM is broader tech than XLK and unlike VGT (and XLK) it holds not-technically-tech META, AMZN, NFLX and SHOP. Having some SMH on top of that to be heavier in semis is fine too. XLF is a good choice to be heavier in financials. Also check out EUFN as something to consider holding in the current environment.

dimethylhyperspace

RKLB calls bought. Debating one other ticker, probably an ETF. Maybe old fashion qqq. XLF looking food though too.

Outrageous_Tip_2133

VTI 30% VUG 20% BRK 10% XLF 10% XLE 10% UNH 5% COIN 5% (for crypto exposure) Cash 10%

Dangerous-Werewolf35

Best thing about BRK. If they like pharma they’ll buy it. It’s going to consolidate for a while then take another leg up. Now is a great time to be buying Brk.(always is but def right now and next few months as it continues to adjust back to a normal price) If you want a more diverse play buy some XLF. Financials should do well and when AI really hits the banks. Another play URI(it is expensive). You want AI. They build data centers. They build energy. They build buildings. They build whatever. Buy the pick and Axe. Hold It forever if you do. Good luck

anonymuss21

Also XLF $53 August 15th for pennies

IjonahI

the XLF is insanely weak

IjonahI

XLF ded

Coffeewin

Looks like funds are rotating out of SMH and XLF, probably deleveraging from semiconductors due to the tariff uncertainty. Not entirely clear, what sectors money is rotating into but XLC has pretty strong relative strength

29InchWaistOrStarve

Watch for a reversal into financials next week if it falls another 1-2% XLF has been butchered

bcfran

I was a day trader during the dotcom bust. I lost it all on Global Crossing. Didn’t follow my sell rules and doubled down instead of cutting losses. They went BK. Great financial crisis was a little different. I lost most of my money chasing XLF and the 2x and 3x levered financial industry ETFs. Fortunately, I also sold my business at that time and came into a decent amount of money, which went straight into the market. I got super lucky and loaded up on quality companies at the exact bottom. How did it feel? With the dotcom it was fast and severe. Fortunately I was young and didn’t lose a ton of money in nominal terms. I went out and got a traditional job. With the GFC it all felt surreal. Major financial institutions going BK versus speculative companies with no profits or revenues. It felt like the system failed and damage could be irreversible. I lost a very significant amount of money (10 years worth of profits I had saved from my business). But I still had a home and my health. The whole world was crushed, so relatively speaking, I felt grateful for what I had.

Strict-Comfort-1337

Good points. 2008 was a total 💩 show. The one “gift” I seized was buying XLF in late 2010. Still have it today.

baconography

May dabble in August ATM XLF calls, XLE puts at open.

kindofblue603

Take a lesson from the stock market in the year 2000 (peak of the internet stock bubble) and what did well from 2000-2003 during the tech crash. Rotation into more value-based stocks in Finance, Energy, Utilities, and Health Care. Check out the holding lists from value-tilted ETFs like MOAT and SPGP to get some ideas. During a rotation to value, you can never go wrong with BRKB-its already on the upswing. If you want less risk than individual stocks then try the sector ETFs of XLF, XLE, XLU, and XLV. Looking at the ratio percent change of XLK(technology sector) vs XLV(health care sector) over a period of time can give you an idea of how much rotation is going on into value. This past week (7/26) the ratio is over 10.

Effective_Ad_1426

Low risk way to play the AI Data Center explosion is XLF, an ETF of large money center banks who will profit nicely from financing Data Center expansions for AI. Another is CEG, Costellation Energy, who will profit nicely as they build out data centers for corporate clients, like MSFT

FoggyFoggyFoggy

What should I change in terms of asset location for taxes in a high tax state? || || |**Roth IRA**| |VTI x 76| |XLF x 20| |VEA x 50| |FLCA x 50| |SOFI x 2000| |RY x 20| |BND x 28.5| || |**401(k)**| |VFORX| || || |**Taxable Brokerage**| |SGOV| |LDRT|

FoggyFoggyFoggy

What should I change in terms of asset location for taxes in a high tax state? || || |**Roth IRA**| |VTI x 76| |XLF x 20| |VEA x 50| |FLCA x 50| |SOFI x 2000| |RY x 20| |BND x 28.5| || |**401(k)**| |VFORX| || || |**Taxable Brokerage**| |SGOV| |LDRT|

FoggyFoggyFoggy

What should I change in terms of asset location for taxes in a high tax state? || || |**Roth IRA**|**Taxable Brokerage**| |VTI x 76|SGOV| |XLF x 20|LDRT| |VEA x 50|| |FLCA x 50|| |SOFI x 2000|| |RY x 20|| |BND x 28.5|| ||| |**401(k)**|| |VFORX||

crazier_ed

XLF it's less than a dollar from the 52wk high ...

angrybubblez

XLF calls are so cheap. You could make wild money on them when it moves

Ecstatic_Wheelbarrow

Which banks are you talking about? XLF is near it's all time high. SOFI, WFC, JPM have all done great this year

dimethylhyperspace

Also, Citigroup options are basically the same price as XLF, and its more likely to go up regardless of what the XLF does because they crushed earnings and are doing a billion dollar buy back

PM_STOCKS_TO_BUY

i may have done the worst thing I could do as a trader….averaged down on my $XLF 08/15 55c calls in hopes of $BAC, $MS, $GS providing relief to financials tomorrow morning through earnings hoping this avg down with a decent green day tmr allows me to breakeven and get out of the financials play

dimethylhyperspace

Fairly easy play in the am. Wake up before the market opens, check and see how the banks did. If they're mostly up, XLF calls. If they're mostly down, puts. There's usually a 5-10 min chop window at the open where you can buy at yesterday's closing price before the real move comes in

IntelligentDamage824

im balls deep in XLF and JPM. Should be a good day

LurkerPatrol

Watching XLF is like watching grass paint

dimethylhyperspace

Anyone playing bank earnings? XLF calls/puts?

IntelligentDamage824

a few XLE and XLF calls for this week. feeling steady.

IntelligentDamage824

i have found the X ETFs and I’m like a child in a candy store. easy but steady gains and low barrier to entry. XLE - energy XLF - finance XLV - healthcare list goes on & on

IntelligentDamage824

i should’ve gotten an XLF call today shoot

dimethylhyperspace

I bought XLF calls as well. Closed 2/3 at a loss today :/

PM_STOCKS_TO_BUY

me: XLF calls red SNAP calls red TEM calls red

dimethylhyperspace

Wracked my brain to choose calls on either banks or vrt yesterday, and chose banks VRT up 3%, XLF down 1%. Gotta love it

IntelligentDamage824

thoughts on XLF calls before earnings?

dimethylhyperspace

Dumped my hims shares for more Robinhood. That train just doesn't want to stop. Also bought XLF calls

cscrignaro

Can't a man have fun? I generally like XLV long and UNH is it's 4th holding. I think money rotates out of IWM/QQQ and into XLF/XLV. With BTC at ATHs risk is on and profits rotate. SPY is likely to keep trekking higher while QQQ see's choppy consolidation and the sectors that haven't run like XLV do so. XLF is getting a last leg up before consolidation it seems and if profits are going to rotate it's likely into healthcare IMO. Could be wrong, one day at a time. Right now, my risk-reward is favourable.

xlperro

From a market value point of view Stocks & ETFs... VOO, DPZ, ENFR, XLF, VONG for individual stocks... DPZ, MSFT, MO, GOOG, AXP Domino's gets in there because we bought the year it IPO'd and has grown 2684%

HuckleberryHuge3752

Stocks: BRKB, AAPL, MSFT, GS, META. ETFs: VEU, SCHF, IJH, XLF, OUSM

old_Spivey

DFEN, FLUOR, semiconductor stocks, XLF

angrybubblez

XLF broke out of a 9 month consolidation and is now in price discovery mode. You have one minute to buy calls in it homie. Dont say I didn’t help you

dimethylhyperspace

I'm thinking the triple B might send bank stocks a'moonin.. Might buy a dozen XLF calls or so

Immediate-Sky9959

GEE, he was the only one who thought about the SubPrime Default Thesis. Did you very think about the Hedging that was going on in the CDS he bought . DO you really think he was the only one making money on all of that. We hedged just acout everthimng on our Sheet with XLF, CDX, LEH shorts, BSC shorts, MER shorts. We just didn't advertise out positions , we just made money.

forebareWednesday

XLF weekly poots

greytoc

Your question is a bit vague. What kind of Financial Sector? If you want a very broad US financials - there's XLF. But there are also funds that focus on banks. For example - KRE for regional banks. KBE and KBWB for larger banks. There is IAI which is primarily broker-dealers in the US.

wtf_is_up

XLF

dimethylhyperspace

XLF calls targeting $52 is free money

dimethylhyperspace

If the Senate passes that Tax bill, financials are gonna mewn. Formal deliberations begin Tuesday, and Bitch McConnell has said, on the record, that they want it passed before July 4th. So I'm thinking XLF/JPM/C calls, expiring in September, bought sometime in early June at an optimal pullback spot

According_Coffee_493

Look at XLF