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Vanguard Energy Index Fund ETF Shares
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the minute VDE drops below $120 I'm buying again lmao.
I like ETFs that cover sectors that I’m bullish on (medium to long term) and can’t pick 1 stock out of it. I’m currently rocking:- SMH - semiconductor etf IVLU - international developed FIDU - industrials VDE - energy / O&G I used to believe in the VT / VTI thing until they became incredibly lopsided, so I moved to more focused ETFs. Energy ETF will remain for a couple years as Iran shithousery will take years to work its way through (rebuilding extraction/processing infrastructure as well as restocking strategic reserves — likely to a higher level than previously), as well as sustained increased demand from data centers.
How the hell is space X going to kill a utilities based etf like VTU? Or energy based like VDE? Or real estate based like VNQ? Or financial based like VFH? Or value based like VTV?
Um no theyre not look at VPU and VDE for example. Or the major guys in them like Exxon and NEE. Theyre down since this bull run started. I know Im arguing with a chatbot but its just pure bullshit unless you want to cherry pick.
Suggest something that isn't Bloom, IREN, or POW. Or VDE I guess.
The problem is, energy is more volatile than tech right now. I’ve held VDE since the start of the Iran war and I have gained and lost my initial investment position twice. It is the highest it’s been today and will dump price as soon as the strait opens. Unless you enjoy an insanely volatile market, and having to watch the news 24/7 to make sure you don’t miss the chance to sell, it’s what I consider too high maintenance for the return on investment.
VDE, XLE are starting points for exposure. USO if you want to gamble on futures going up.
Got in Bitcoin around 800 each in 2015... luckily I put 10k in at the time and it got me approx 11.43 btc. Sold all last year in October after holding for 10 years.. and lump summed it all into VOO. Ethereum around 70 each. Got into Terawulf (WULF) in early 2023 at around 1.50/share. Several other single stocks, but I've primarily invested into VOO. The next plays are QTUM, AIQ, XBI, VDE, and TINY.
VTI 50% for broad US market coverage VXUS 25% for broad foreign market coverage BND 10% to reduce volatility and drawdowns VGT 5% tech diversification/tilt VHT 5% healthcare diversification/tilt VDE 5% energy diversification/tilt
My VDE portion of my portfolio felt it this week lol
Yeah, I have VDE in my portfolio and it has been in free-fall since Wednesday and is down approx $10 with a flat pre-market. Any time something bad happens in the strait the price shoots up.
Funny to see that XEG, VDE and XLE all have the exact same price chart over the past month, but XEG has a higher peak as a percentage. I guess you just play any of the three based on how expensive the options are.
I think a small energy tilt is reasonable, but I’d personally treat it more like a cyclical/value play than a guaranteed long-term compounding machine. The thing that trips people up with energy is that oil will still exist in 30 years doesn’t automatically mean energy stocks outperform for 30 years. A lot of these companies are insanely tied to commodity pricing, geopolitics, capex cycles, and shareholder behavior. You can have periods where oil demand is strong but the stocks still lag because margins compress or producers overspend again. That said, the sector has changed a bit since the 2010s. A lot of the majors are way more disciplined now about buybacks/dividends instead of endless expansion, which probably makes holding something like VDE less crazy than it used to be. I’d just be careful not to confuse volatility with opportunity every time energy dips on macro news. Energy can underperform the broader market for very long stretches even if the underlying commodity remains essential. Keeping it around 5% honestly sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Energy acts as a great 5% diversifier and inflation hedge, being essential doesn't guarantee stock gains the sector actually lagged the market for a full decade starting in 2010. i used trylattice to track these cycles, and while VDE offers solid dividends, its extreme volatility and the long-term shift toward renewables mean it's better used as a stabilizer for your tech-heavy holdings than a primary growth engine.
Idk about a 30 year time horizon, but I think given the current state of the global energy market, VDE as a hedge in addition to the usual VT/VTI and chill isn't totally unreasonable.
Right now, VDE’s allocations are mostly in oil companies. I’d be happy to pivot to renewables or dump the 5% of my portfolio from VDE into VHT or VGT, but I don’t think until EV adoption starts moving in the direction of being readily affordable for the average buyer and/or the primary means for powering infrastructure vehicles, I’m not sure it’s the right time to jump ship on oil. I mean EVs are still very much a rich man’s car and marketed as “luxury” cars (Tesla, Lucid, Polestar etc.) and even the Everyman brand cars (Dodge, ford, Honda etc) that make electric cars are not priced for people to afford them. For example, dodge a couple years ago pivoted away from gas entirely in their sports cars and said they were only making electricity, and nobody was buying their 95k electric muscle cars and they recently released more affordable gas powered options.
Maybe I’m reading this wrong then: VOO has a 1/3/5/10 year return of 17.67%, 18.27%, 11.99%, 14.11% respectively VDE has a 1/3/5/10 year return of: 37.38%, 18.44%, 24.86%, 11.03% respectively This was pulled from my fidelity App. VDE has heated up over the last 5 years and it’s 10 year and early performance drags down the lifetime return. I’m not being snarky, but if I’m looking at this wrong, how should I look at it? Because while past performance does not dictate future returns, it does appear VDE is on pace to outperform VOO in its lifetime.
I mean, you’re betting you’re above average, … and on average, you’re not. Unless you have some particular domain expertise and you can uniquely spot an early mover or undervalued asset in that domain, smart money says pick an index fund. That said, I held VDE. Now sold it all. Sure they’ll be drilling for fossil-fuels for a while, but electrostates are emerging, fossil-fuel importing nations can now cheaply get electricity cheaper than buying fossil-fuels to then have to burn it. That’ll erode the fossil-fuel-for-combustion-for-electricity quite steadily and surely over the coming decade. Long term? I’m retired, investment vehicles and costs have changed a lot since I started in the 1980s (no Roths, $150+ fee to trade, paper stock certificates! lol), fads come and go, but I’ve basically followed 70-80% dumb, slow, boring index funds, 10-20% your energy and individual stocks, and 0-10% reckless yolo stuff that I’ve mostly but not totally lost with the occasional out of the park.
\>Historically it has outperformed the S&P 500 That's not even true. VDE has existed since 2004. It has returned 470% since then, vs 718% for the S&P500. [https://totalrealreturns.com/n/VFINX,USDOLLAR,VDE?start=2004-12-12&end=2026-04-07](https://totalrealreturns.com/n/VFINX,USDOLLAR,VDE?start=2004-12-12&end=2026-04-07) \>looking over the past 30 years, gas has gone from whah $1.50 to $2.00 per gallon to $3.50 and up being the norm. It’s a tightly controlled commodity that goes up in value as supply dwindles The market already knows this readily obvious information, and it's already priced in.
\>dictates that a commodity like oil or gasoline is going to be integral to society for the next 30 years AND it is a limited quantity, to me, it seems like a good sector tilt. Do you mean like you expect it to outperform the broad market? Because "integral to society for foreseeable future" is already accounted into the current pricing. Energy can do really well at times. It can underperform the market at times. It's just a sector, and performance is cyclical, and not really predictable. \>Curious what you guys think over the long term. I think I don't know anymore than the rest of the market currently knows, and I have no way to know if VDE is underpriced or overpriced currently. Whether VDE beats VTI over the next 30 years is unknowable.
more VDE. less vd, wrap it before u tap it
I have some of the VDE ETF that is largely the majors, similar to XLE, but it has a little more diversification with smaller bits of the supply stream. There's probably not a huge upside at this point, but from what I gather, the downside is somewhat insulated even with a quick resolution because the damage has been done already. It's just a partial hedge vs. the broad market, I'm not all in or anything.
DO you think SPY and VOO are better than SCHA and VDE? Those are the ones i would be dumping to buy them.
I got assigned VDE on Friday. See if I can flip it then
VDE and XLE are both still up more than 40% over the last 12 months.
My 70% holding of US and international index funds. On an upward tear. My 30% holding of the energy ETFs that are VDE and XLE? Tumbling off of a cliff.
I did take the opportunity to go long in VDE. Cause oil is gonna be high for awhile
I have about 30% of my portfolio in VDE and XLE as a hedge against rising oil prices.
Or just bet both sides. I have about 30% of my portfolio in VDE and XLE, and the rest in US/international index funds. Peace tomorrow? I see green. Oil goes to $200 per barrel? I see green. Iran gets nuked? Time to invest in firearms, ammunition, canned food and Cola bottle caps.
> However, if you try to bet bearish in the short term, prepare to lose your entire ass. The western market makers are absolutely state-of-the-art when it comes to stealing short term option premiums from normies and bears... Only a few percentage down on my VDE and XLE holdings... but that's just a slap on the wrist compared to some of the loss porn posts on this subreddit.
I have about 30% of my portfolio in international ETF, and 30% in VDE/XLE energy ETFs (as a hedge against the oil price and the Schrödinger's ceasefire).
Why? because I am only looking for the profit and not looking to be a long term investor in energy. I just want to get the pop, take the profits, and sell. My strategy is that I buy some to establish a position and if it goes down, I sell all and lose a little. If it goes up I keep buying then sell and take profits once it reaches the new line of resistance and move back to cash. In a normal market I would agree with you on VOO, but this is NOT a normal market. This is a pump and dump market being manipulated by Tweets. Looking at the year so far: VOO is down -.52% YTD MSFT is down -21.12% YTD GOOGL is up +1.06% YTD For me rotating in and out of energy, tech, and gold my portfolio is up +7.33% YTD as of today. I am waiting for VDE to either drop back to $138 or for news that the IRGC detained a tanker, then go back in on VDE, ride the wave, take profits, and move back to cash/SGOV. If things ever get back to semi-normal I will get back to boring Bogglehead investing but with the VIX (volatility) being high there is money to be made by shuffling around. So far YTD in my portfolio IAU 6% ITA 10.37% SCHD 11.24% VOO 3.96% MSFT -3.94% Also, I was crushing it with SMH which is still rocking, but had a Trailing Stop set too low and a morning dip got my SMH. :( I really want that ETF back at a discount. Oh well. Why Microsoft? Microsoft is flush with cash and I think they will be the tech comeback story of the year. I typically don't like to buy stocks, but I have a good feeling about them and their cloud services even with the AI CapEx burning money. I am not a genius and this could all just be luck but 7% makes me happy.
my entire VDE position wiped in after hours market manipulated trading. fuck this place.
30% of my portfolio is in VDE and XLE, the rest is still largely in US and international index funds. Even if the war ended right now, that's not going to un-destroy all of the hydrocarbon infrastructure that was blown up in the Gulf region. Not to mention restarting refineries and plugged oil wells will require time. Now if somehow both the US energy sector and the US/international economy go down at the same time, I'm going to be confused.
As a new “play it safe” investor VXUS is my highest performing ETF this year and doing well compared to VOO for this year. I also wish I knew VDE or XLE are good hedges against inflation. These same ETFs were just doing ok when I first started 2 - 3 years ago. More I learn I think it’s just best to cover ground for a variety of different cycles that tend to occur, weigh accordingly to your goals, and just mostly let auto invest run the show. Don’t overthink it don’t chase the trend and don’t mess around with your allocations too much.
I had about 30% of my portfolio in VDE and XLE. The rest are your typical S&P500 and international index funds. I guess I'm going to get flashbanged with bright green and bright red.
Could do VDE, an energy ETF? Or do you want a specific individual stock?
I already shifted about 30% of my overall investment to VDE and XLE and will be doing a small DCA into AVUS index fund, while keeping a little bit of cash in a savings account. Oil prices continue to remain in the +$100 per barrel? At least I get to look at some green in my portfolio, and use the dividends to pay for $5 per gas gallon and more expensive chicken nuggets at Wendy's. The war suddenly ends on Monday? Oil and other commodities will still be impacted for months. I'll be riding the stock market rally.
I bought a couple of SPY puts this afternoon to try and protect my long term holdings ahead of the big "national address". Currently SPY is down 0.90% after hours erasing all of todays gains. But Russel 2000 (IWM) worse after hours, currently down 1.49%. The moral of the story... I should have bought USO and VDE calls.
Doubt it. All the oil stocks were up earlier today. Then the price of oil shot up and all the oil stocks dropped hard. XOP, XLE, VDE, XES, COP, MPC, all up earlier, now firmly down.
XLE and VDE do not stop going up 1% every fucking day
Not mine. Went 100% into VDE when the war started. Crushing it.
Look at what's being held by $XLE, $VDE, $IXC, $XOP
Interesting, but BNO is doing much better. Any thoughts on why VDE us a better choice?
I have VDE which has large holdings in XOM and CVX
I'm not going to pretend to be some pro investor, but one thing I've learned with age is that if you're going to invest in hype: invest as direct as you can, don't try invest at N degrees of separation. If you think Oil is going to surge you should be looking at companies under $XOP, $VDE, and $XLE ETFs for equity plays. Or of course commodities.
VDE has a strong buy 8/10 on stockinvest.us and it has a tasty dividend.
VDE etf, it says it’s having a run the next 3-6 months, has a tasty dividend.
XLE, VDE, IXC, XOP for ETFs
idk why people are talking about money market funds for safety. i put 100% of my 401k in VDE and just been killing it day after day after day? why own cash when you can own energy stocks in this environment?
I bought VDE after the assassination and I'm up 10% while everything else is down.
At the moment in pre-market, VDE sits at 3.71 + and VOO sits at -2.25 on 5 day chart. So Energy is outperforming it right now but let’s see.
Initially US energy as represented by funds like VDE. In the long run though if the war does enough economic damage then demand destruction from a global downturn will crash that too
I like the NU call out. South american SOFI, except maybe better. Ive been watching: NFLX, META, VDE, VST, CEG. I like ASO, BYDDY, and CECO also. To name a few. I dont have any money right now so unfortunately wonr be buying anything. Id probably buy a mix of some sort of international ETF, NFLX below $90, META below $600, and an energy ETF. CECO below $45 as well.
oh dang, was wondering why everything tanked a little harder all of a sudden. even VDE/XLE/OIH took a hit today
Been holding VDE, it keeps going up and everything in my port keeps going down. If it wasn't for that I'd be down a fuck ton I just don't know when it will completely reverse
The Straits are closed and will be for some time. All the goodness and badness happens after markets close so that insiders have an opportunity to position their portfolios ahead of time. Right now I don't see much opportunity for goodness, so aside from exposure to SCHD and VDE, I'm out. VTI/VIOV/VXUS completely liquidated.
When SGOV and VDE are my only green tickers things aren't looking good
The timeline for this war has been 4-5 days, then 2 weeks, then 8 weeks, now they're talking about September. You cannot win a war through the air. You cannot effect regime change through the air. I'm concerned enough that I used the recent bump to dump my VTI/VXUS and take a short term position in VDE.
Do you remember what happened to the Dow when Covid hit? Hormuz is closed. An extended closure and $200 a barrel oil will let you see that happen again. I used the bounce with Trump saying the war is almost over to replace VTI + VXUS with VDE as a short term play. So far, it's been the right answer.
VDE new SPY until further notice
I bought some VDE before the invasion and it’s doing fairly well. I sold some SMH right before the dip. I may get more now that it’s down. In the long run, I think energy and tech is a good play. I also have a large amount on Google, Walmart, Costco, AVUV and AVDV. I’m holding S&P 500 and QQQM longe term and contributing to those consistantly
I’ll buy VDE, XLE, and IYE Monday so we can have cheap oil again
I was about to add more VDE after taking a bit of profits from tech but went with Gold instead.
Thinking about adding more RTX, LMT and VDE.. Just not sure which of my other stocks to sell.
Just a little concern though still not as scared as the 2020. I sold around 10% of my Google, VTI and Micron last week, most of gains left as cash and some i used to get more netflix and MELI. It was few % off the peak but gains is gains. I have surrendered to the fact that i'll never time the peak or the bottom perfectly and it is liberating. I will keep on monitoring the situation, Because if things go worse I would sell more and move it to IAU and VDE.
The only thing green in my port is CVX and VDE, which means we are about to plunge
VDE (Energy / Oil ETF) +13% YTD, so yes. I wouldn't go individual stocks, but pickup VDE and set a STOP during this period of volatility.
VDE and chill, not something I'm playing daily I don't have the time. I do own 100 shares of CVX
VDE is going to be absolute fire on Monday morning!
CVX as my single bet and just a lot of VDE to capture all of them
I sold all my VDE on Friday, enjoying the high it had reached 😬
Really? I'm up a ton in CVX and VDE I'd hate to sell before oil prices surge
I’m divesting of legacy fossil fuels (VDE mostly), have you seen how quickly electricity generation from fuel-free combustion-free is dropping in price?! And, consequently, how quickly things are electrifying? Esp. in countries that aren’t themselves producers of legacy fossil fuels. I might have the timing off a bit, but the end result is inevitable.
XLE , VDE to invest in energy. Energy is the key piece underpinning all other facets of society. Silver and copper for computing due to conductive properties “Copper: The "lifeblood" of electronics, used for wiring, cables, heat sinks, and conductive pathways (traces) on printed circuit boards (PCBs).” “Silver: Possesses the highest electrical conductivity of all metals, making it critical for solder, high-performance circuits, and keyboard membranes.” Tungsten is crucial for mining, metal working and petroleum industries. “Tungsten is crucial due to its unparalleled physical properties, specifically having the highest melting point of all metals (extreme density (similar to gold), and exceptional hardness, especially in its carbide form. It is vital for industrial machinery, aerospace, mining, and military defense, and is considered a critical strategic mineral”
I was taking a bit of profits on tech these past few months.. Sold all my AMZN, Sold half my MSFT, Half of NOW at bigly loss.. Moved the money of EMBJ, IAU, SLV, AVGO and just today VDE. Got a bit cash left for dips. Still hold mostly at tech because ER still looks great and I think once Warsh cuts rates, tech will pop again.
Sold some of my tech and small QQQ lot and moving it to VDE. I would have sold more but i dont want to cross short term gains tax.
SCHY and VDE are excellent etfs during these troubling times
Copper, Oil, Silver and Gold, wait for some correction in copper but start a small position (COPJ, COPP), start buying oil stocks NOW (XOM, VDE, XOP, OXY) start buying gold royalty companies and stocks now (small position and buy the dip in BTG, B, TFPM, GDXJ), wait on a retracement for silver down to $50 - $71.
I am currently sitting on my hands and in cash and sold mostly everything last week after making a nice 4.5% in January. I am resisting the urge to buy back in until things settle more this week. The only positions I am holding are VDE, SCHD, and SMH as SMH is the hardware for AI and not software. SMH got caught in the AI drop but I think will recover. Microsoft is in the penalty box for awhile. and is in a tough spot. If the IRAN/USA conflict continues to heat up, I am going to push into energy and back into GOLD (SGOL) since it will most likely ride up again. IRAN sent out a drone today to attack the US fleet and this will only provoke the Department of War. I predict if the US is going to attack it will be on the new moon, around Feb 17th also depending on weather.
I just do stock it's too hard to predict the random moves lol VDE is great to set it and forget it
Energy is kinda tricky rn since you gotta pick between the old oil money plays and the renewable upside, but honestly I'd start by looking at some of the bigger diversified energy ETFs like XLE or VDE to get broad exposure without picking individual winners. If you wanna dig deeper into specific stocks, tools like Lattice can help you scan through SEC filings and earnings reports way faster than doing it manually, which honestly saves a ton of time when you're trying to figure out which companies actually have solid fundamentals vs just riding the hype. i asked trylattice this question lately might be of help: [https://www.trylattice.io/share/cmky8j8rk007l083qypttd8cu](https://www.trylattice.io/share/cmky8j8rk007l083qypttd8cu)
Energy is kinda tricky rn since you gotta pick between the old oil money plays and the renewable upside, but honestly I'd start by looking at some of the bigger diversified energy ETFs like XLE or VDE to get broad exposure without picking individual winners. tools like trylattice can help you scan through good stocks. its way faster than doing it manually. saves a ton of time when you're trying to figure out which companies actually have solid fundamentals vs just riding the hype
Tomorrow is the BIG DAY! Microsoft Earnings! The number to watch, Azure Cloud Growth. Scenario A (The Boom): Azure growth accelerates (due to Copilot AI). The stock pops. The "Risk On" rally continues. Scenario B (The Bust): Azure growth slows or AI costs are too high. The stock drops. Goldman sees: Outflows from Tech ($900M) and massive inflows into International (EM) and Cyclicals. So if MSFT falters tomorrow, get out of Magnificent 7 and into energy, and old economy value stocks., and possibly GOLD. My picks: VYMI, VDE, SGOL, SCHD, SCHG, SMH I sold all my Google today and took some of the upside of SMH. Tomorrow I will see if I was right.
Just own low expense sector ETFs and you are almost guaranteed to be a winner: XLB (materials) and VDE (energy).