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r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

JUNO (cosmos) DEX not working, funds locked up. Need new DEX..

What's the best way to consolidate various assets and save on fees?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Cosmos airdrop strategy question

r/CryptoMarketsSee Post

It's always a good thing to diversify

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

What's Happening in the Cosmos Ecosystem?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Atom has moved into the Top 20 coins by market cap, why is that?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

I feel like I should just give up…why even bother investing anymore

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

How much inflation is too much when referring to a given crypto?

r/CryptoMoonShotsSee Post

Gelotto (GLTO) – Gambling token on the IBC/Juno network – Current mCap of 2.5 mil with 10x to 100x potential

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

A guide and my views on Cosmos

r/CryptoMoonShotsSee Post

COMING SOON: Keep an eye out for Gelotto, the crypto lottery (and other games) token airdropping June 2022, going live on IBC testnet July 2022

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

What's your thoughts about JUNO?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Carefully Screen Altcoins Outerpforming in the Bear Martket

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Destination of Terra Ecosystem, what will happen to all protocols built on the top of Terra?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Remember, the JUNO fiasco ! A Typo moves $36M in seized JUNO tokens to the wrong wallet,nobody has access to it

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Typo Moves $36M in Seized JUNO Tokens to Wrong Wallet

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Typo Moves $36M in Seized JUNO Tokens to Wrong Wallet

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

How can you be sure your coin will survive the bear market?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Cosmos (ATOM) passes the v7 Theta upgrade, ETH bridges to Osmosis via Frontier

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

I almost got scammed.....ALMOST.... A heads up to us all

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

The JUNO network is currently down and has not produced a block in over 4 hours. This comes days after JUNO governance voted to seize funds of a whale who gamed the token distribution.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Mastering Cosmos Airdrops: The Best Coins to Stake to be Eligible, Useful Tools | JUNO, ATOM, OSMO, SCRT

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

JUNO whale now wants to bribe community with an stakedrop for those with 10+ JUNO staked…

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Ideals vs Reality - Crypto in 2022

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Juno Prop 16 - Righting a Wrong with a Wrong?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Step into the position of the Prop 16 JUNO Whale. You have 3 days left before your $100 million+ ill-gotten gains are potentially clawed back. What do you do?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Whale games JUNO airdrop to earn 120M+ Now there is a governance proposal to freeze his funds.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

So I finally bit the bullet...

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

JUNO is at stake of getting it's whole DEX liquidity wiped by a whale who gamed the distribution

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Staking & LPs - What other ecosystems?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Staking & LPs - In a few already - what am I missing out on?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Investing in Avalanche or Cosmos

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Stakedrops in the Cosmos Ecosystem you can still stake for:

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Can we take a moment to appreciate how successful the Cosmos chain has been?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Some coins I've never seen mentioned here, what's up with them?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

I want to invest a "large" amount (at least large for me). What should I buy and what percentage? Want to be safe and willing to risk also.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Juno: A new proof of stake token to power an ecosystem of cross-chain Smart Contracts network for a permissionless, fast and economical solution to deploy decentralised apps and tools.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Why Cosmos is the best crypto ecosystem

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

IBC Smart Contracts

r/CryptoMarketsSee Post

The New Smart Contracts on the Block

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

People should check out the Cosmos ecosystem and try out the IBC, if you want infinite scalability and crazy ease of use.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Keplr (and other wallet) security/precautions?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

On Cosmostation, I don't see an option to change my ATOMs to JUNO

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Where do you find information about future airdrops?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Datachain to Build Bridge Between Cosmos and Harmony soon

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Don't you have JUNO yet!?

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Why Cosmos (ATOM) is Pumping

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

Cosmos (ATOM) hits new ATH of $44.25

r/CryptoMoonShotsSee Post

🐾An actual gem, not on the Binance Shitchain. It got released not so long ago: Chihuahua ($HUAHUA) in the Cosmos Ecosystem. Check it out and thank me later!🐾

r/CryptoMoonShotsSee Post

🐾An actual gem, not on the Binance Shitchain. It got released not so long ago: Chihuahua ($HUAHUA) in the Cosmos Ecosystem. Check it out and thank me later!🐾

r/CryptoCurrencySee Post

COSMOS… why you should research the ecosystem.

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2022 Time Capsule

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JUNO, permission less interoperable smart contract built on cosmos. Cosmos little brother….

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COSMOS - the gift that keeps on giving!

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Today, There was a post talking about COSMOS and ethereum

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What project do you think is still undervalued and want to let others know about?

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Love seeing all the cosmos discussion here. By far the easiest to navigate. Get ATOM, JUNO, SCRT, or OSMO from various exchanges, create a keplr wallet and then move there. Then explore all the projects built in the cosmos SDK

I checked my Keplr wallet today and 500 JUNO has magically appeared in my account? It was not there yesterday. Do I touch these funds at all? What do I do?

Mentions:#JUNO

Didn't they migrate all the RAW pools over to WYND automatically? I unbonded around 40k BTC b/c of Impermanent loss as we continued to dip. Seeing influencers sway Prop 18 was wild on JUNO, but still see the vision of a CW20 smart contract factory in the long run. Seeing Ethan Fray launch WYND on JUNO is almost refreshing to see that something big is building on JUNO still.

Mentions:#BTC#JUNO#CW

Cosmos ATOM ! including OSMO, JUNO, STARS and EVMOS

Best DEX in the Cosmos, so I'm expecting some upside in the next bull. Just stacking them with ATOM, JUNO, and a few other Cosmos projects.

I remember NETA gave me 6 thousand dollars. It was a JUNO airdrop. There then was OSMOSIS, Atom airdrop, I held and it made me 10 thousand dollars, there then was EVMOS, another 6 thousand dollars. PLENTY more ,you should explore Cosmos. Also there is this february ICS comming ,just by staking Atom you will be earning other coins by providing security for them, since there are a lot of atoms staked.

I'm gonna say ATOM as well, the CosmosNetwork / Internet of Blockchains is a wonderful place; if I had to pick one token from there that wasn't ATOM, it would be Bitsong BTSG as I'm really enthused for the project/platform(s) incl. Sinfonia and the soon launching NFT platform. The airdrops you are opened to just being staked on the network in ATOM, OSMO, JUNO etc. can occassionally be pretty lifechanging (looking at Wynd in the last couple days <3 ) but others before my time got some amazing things with ION and others.

Tell that to people who got some EVMOS or JUNO for free (now obviously I hope they sold when it was worth a lot for JUNO)

Mentions:#EVMOS#JUNO

Am I seeing things!!!! The vast majority of Cosmos ecosystem chains are in double digit gains territory in the last 24 hours. And this is not due to a sudden increase in the price of BTC. Perhaps it is due to the Osmosis chain doing their latest chain upgrade in less than 24 hrs. And $JUNO introducing a new DEX (WYNDex) to replace Junoswap.

Mentions:#BTC#JUNO#DEX

I really like Cosmos and hold bags of the following: ATOM, JUNO, OSMO, STARS, HUAHUA and EVMOS (among smaller holdings of stuff I was airdropped). I feel there is a lot of potential and have liked some of the projects. Osmosis is a really good exchange, and if they can find a way to get Bitcoin over (whether bridged or native) I think it will result in some great gains. Unfortunately the bear market has decimated most from their ATH to some pretty paltry prices. Will they ever attain their previous values? Who knows, we all know shit about fuck, but I have hope for the future and see a lot more airdrops coming this year. Now I just need to remember to take some profits this time if they do go up.

Cosmos Ecosystem is truly amazing with so much great stuff from a DEX like Osmosis to JUNO.

Mentions:#DEX#JUNO

People is all about governance and decentralization until they realize their $300 mean absolutely jackshit in this. JUNO still the best example of governance out there

Mentions:#JUNO

ATOM, EVMOS, NGM, JUNO and anything on the Cosmos ecosystem right now.

Wow it’s been a while since I’ve heard someone say JUNO

Mentions:#JUNO

Oh my god.... JUNO is actually.... Going up, kinda?

Mentions:#JUNO

Not murky. The community clawed back JUNO airdropped to the whale in question after determining the whale shouldn't have ever received it in the first place - CEX weren't eligible, and the whale was effectively operating a CEX. The whale got to keep all of his staking rewards he'd received over the years though.

Mentions:#JUNO#CEX

I am happy to see WYND maybe launch a nice DEX on it, I have always been happy about Permission-less Contracts for anyone to create. Despite a few shitbirds using it to create rugs, that's always gonna be happening where money flows. HUAHUA too is also doing permission-less contract creation now, and does not bear the scar of Prop 18. Which even that does not bother me about JUNO too much as it does others.

IBC is revolutionary and it's going to connect all blockchain networks in the future. NGM, e-Money's governance token was what started my Cosmos journey. I've gone on to accumulate over 10 Cosmos based projects including ATOM, OSMO, JUNO, EVMOS and STARS in the last 2 years.

a little bit of good boi ATOM, DOT a little bit of risqué with JUNO a little bit of XMR

Cosmos is the answer for me. All the blockchains in the cosmos ecosystem offer these services including ATOM. I enjoy these services on the likes of NGM, JUNO, OSMO, and more

I've earned 160 JUNO from staking rewards. Crazy how that would be worth $7300 at ATH. Now it's worth a whopping $182 🤣

Mentions:#JUNO

Thanks brother think I'm gonna enter JUNO that's looking down could bounce

Mentions:#JUNO

sFOT would be my fav. The fastest ponzi on JUNO, that shit printed money for a week and got obliterated. I think may be sitting now at 0.0001$ or so god knows aUSD from Acala is also great. Another PoS (and I don't mean proof of stake) project that minted 2B aUSD due to an error in the smart contract in a matter of minutes.The smart contract that was not tested before obviously despite even having Karura (KSM cashgrab chain) to do so. Now sitting at 0.5$ . Literally few millions of DOTs were locked into this parachain

Mentions:#JUNO#KSM

MOONS and BAT, you can earn them without having any initial.investment. My major passive income is staking PoS coins like ATOM, EVMOS, NGM and JUNO. You earn passively depending on the APY and your capital.

My wish list this 2023: 1. Bull run. 2. Cosmos ecosystem growth. 3. ATOM, NGM, EVMOS, JUNO, OSMO, etc reaching new aths. 4. More adoption.

They obliterated my boy JUNO 😂

Mentions:#JUNO

JUNO. Followed closely by OSMO. These are two of the reasons I’ve stopped buying alts. The other reasons are the other alts I’ve bought.

Mentions:#JUNO#OSMO

I feel many coins in the Cosmos ecosystem are undervalued. The likes of JUNO, NGM, EVMOS, SCRT, etc. I’m particular about e-money (NGM), the E-Money service is driven by multiple currency-backed tokens, one for each supported fiat currency, which will represent a proportional value of the bank reserve. EEUR, ENOK, ECHF, etc. Additionally, E-Money uses the NGM (New Generation of Money) token for staking and rewards.

My biggest win came earlier this year when Cosmos ecosystem was pumping ahead of the rest of the market. I made decent gains with ATOM, OSMO, NGM and JUNO and I still have all of them staked.

Cosmos (ATOM) coins such as EVMOS, JUNO, NGM and OSMO are going to pump the hardest. MATIC and FET are the others I can think of.

I'm mostly staking Cosmos based coins such as ATOM, EVMOS, NGM and JUNO. Their rewards are also very good with 21%, 125%, 26% and 36% APY respectively. Outside of Cosmos, I'm staking OCEAN in the ongoing data farming. 50,000 OCEAN is distributed weekly as rewards.

The majority of my cryptocurrency is stored in a DEX wallet. Keplr/Ledger for my cosmos gems such as ATOM, JUNO, and EVMOS, Yoroi for ADA, Metamask/Ledger for OCEAN, ETH, MATIC, and so on. The only thing I have left on the exchange is the emergency fund, which is in BUSD.

Cosmos and its chains are always surrounded by drama ... cos people do care about it. Governance proposals are heavily debated and VOTED. Specially in JUNO Then you have chains were proposals are passed with a 0.0x turnout ratio It's bear... so everything is down, no matter the project. But when the bull is back, Cosmos ecosystem will be ready to take over the top

Mentions:#JUNO

There is a lot of development going on in Cosmos. I'm very excited about upcoming Inter chain security (ICS) in a month's time. I'm also excited in the developments going in on EVMOS, NGM, JUNO and CMDX.

Same, regular purchases of ATOM and OSMO for me. Still debating if I want to invest more into JUNO or not

Cosmos is my favourite layer 0. With Inter Blockchain Communication (IBC), sovereign blockchains can communicate with each other without relying on the other. The ecosystem has been growing with projects like EVMOS, JUNO, OSMO, NGM, FET and CMDX on my watchlist.

OSMO vs JUNO, ION clawback, JUNO whale, JUNO clawback from said whale, what else did I miss

💯 I always prefer POS staking for this reason, currently doing that ATOM, NGM, SCRT, JUNO. Recently acquired a ledger, it's awesome.

As long as you plan to keep a coin for a long time, staking will always be worth it. You can also stake with your ledger or any other storage device. I'm doing the same with my NGM, ATOM, and JUNO tokens.

There are many coins that can be staked through a cold storage device as highlighted by others already. I'm staking these coins: ATOM, EVMOS, OSMO, NGM, JUNO, and other Cosmos based projects directly from my noncustodial wallet.

I got a HOLE airdrop from the Cosmos ecosystem. I think it’s on the JUNO network. It dropped during the bear market and never did anything.

Mentions:#JUNO

>Personally I keep most of my coins in a hardware wallet and I was told I cannot stake them while they are there. This is not true. You can stake it directly from your wallet. That, I believe, is one of the most secure methods. I have my NGM, ATOM, MATIC, JUNO, and NEAR all staked directly from my wallet.

Well that does sound worth going in, I need to finish setting my ATOM and JUNO bags to the desired level and after that I think ill start playing with dapps on Kujira. Thanks for the info!

Mentions:#ATOM#JUNO

That's totally wrong. I have been staking ATOM, EVMOS, JUNO, NGM, OSMO, SCRT, etc., directly from my wallet and I believe that most coins can be staked the same way.

I'm really a big fan of Cosmos. I believe interoperability of Cosmos will be key to blockchain dominance in the future. ATOM, EVMOS, JUNO, NGM, OSMO, SCRT and CMDX are some of my favourite Cosmos based projects.

I don't know why anyone would prefer to stake their coins on a centralised exchange with everything happening. My favourite staking platform is Keplr app for staking ATOM, EVMOS, NGM, JUNO, OSMO, SCRT and other Cosmos based projects.

Cosmos is my favourite blockchain network. Building on Cosmos is a smart move because Cosmos allows for application specific soveriegn blockchains to be built on it. Some of my favourite Cosmos based projects beside ATOM are: - EVMOS which is bridging Ethereum dApps into Cosmos. - JUNO an interoperable smart contract platform. - NGM a stablecoins payment platform. - OSMO the interchain Dex.

For my real degens out there a project called CzarDao built on Juno by some ex Terra devs is taking bets if the $JUNO price will go up or down in a 15 minute window.

Mentions:#JUNO
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I'm upbeat because this isn't my first bear market, I know how things work, and I'm only investing what I can afford to lose. Staking my long-term tokens such as ATOM, NGM, EVMOS, and JUNO while profiting has also helped me stay positive.

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Holding and staking to increase my bag before the next bear summer. I have ATOM, NGM, EVMOS, JUNO, OSMO, and many other Cosmos based projects staked. The APYs vary from 20% to 135% which is very good.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Layer 0's exist; like Cosmos and Polkadot. It allows multiple L1 blockchains to be launched (like in the case of Cosmos, there's ATOM, OSMO, JUNO, etc.)

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z3yh86/daily_general_discussion_november_25_2022_gmt0/).

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z3yh86/daily_general_discussion_november_25_2022_gmt0/).

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z3yh86/daily_general_discussion_november_25_2022_gmt0/).

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z34qab/daily_general_discussion_november_24_2022_gmt0/).

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I agree with you. Personally I stake most of my coins which include ATOMZ EVMOS, JUNO, NGM, OSMO, etc., using Keplr wallet which is a Cosmos and IBC based wallet. I have sole access to my staked coins and I can undelegate/redelegate at any time.

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Staking ATOM is very lucrative. Apart from the staking rewards, you also qualify for potential airdrops in the process. Some of the previous airdops like OSMO, JUNO, STARS and EVMOS were worth thousands. I have all of them staked in addition to NGM, CRE, REBUS, CMDX, etc.

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z1empq/daily_general_discussion_november_22_2022_gmt0/).

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Damn, my JUNO staking wallet has fallen so hard. Even though I earn staking rewards every day worth about $3, and always restake them - it is not nearly enough to stem the bleeding.

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>Knowing the differences, which one would you pick to survive the bear market? I pick staking over lending. I'm doing that mostly with ATOM, JUNO, EVMOS, and CTSI. I DCA into my long-term bags monthly and honestly? I would not take out a loan to buy crypto for any reason. \[Invest what you can afford to lose.\]

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

POS staking is the way for me, if it's liquid then even better. Got ATOM, SCRT, NGM, JUNO, EVMOS, bit of a cosmos lover here

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Most projects on Cosmos have been doing well in terms of building and expanding. Take a look at the likes of EVMOS, NGM, JUNO, etc. E-money is featuring new NGM staking options with the latest being Superfluid staking on Osmosis. Super Fluid staking directly increases the opportunity for NGM and OSMO token holders and validators to earn rewards, as tokens can simultaneously earn transaction fees from providing pool liquidity and earn staking rewards for helping to secure the network.

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Why would you buy 2.2 copies of JUNO? Jkjkjk That’s just how she goes bub

Mentions:#JUNO
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I had some orders at 2.2 for JUNO I didn't even remember lol $1.93 now... good call as usual :D

Mentions:#JUNO
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Good catch, I’ll have a look. What’s your take on NGM (e-Money)? It’s been garnering traction lately given how fast the suites of stablecoins like ENOK, EEUR, etc are growing. JUNO also keeps popping up everywhere.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I prefer staking as a form of passive income. I have ATOM, EVMOS, NGM, JUNO, OSMO and many other coins staked for decent rewards. I have no doubt it will pay off once the market is back to being bullish.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Good picks, I’m a big fan of the cosmos ecosystem so I’ll like to add JUNO, NGM, and EVMOS. All are fundamentally solid and offering relevant use cases to the crypto sphere.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Cosmos remains my favourite blockchain ecosystem. I have many Cosmos coins, I bought some and earned the rest via aidrops. My favourites are ATOM, EVMOS, JUNO, NGM, OSMO, CMDX and SCRT.

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yxakfo/daily_general_discussion_november_17_2022_gmt0/).

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I've never used a lending platform before for yields. Proof of stake chains like ATOM, NGM, JUNO and OSMO where I can stake and manage my assets from my wallet are my only source of yields right now.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Just started opening positions my first positions on the Cosmos net, looking to build a core staked position in ATOM, JUNO, AKT, and OSMO, and then maybe branch out to some others down the line.

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yuj5a2/daily_general_discussion_november_14_2022_gmt0/).

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Keplr wallet is used for the Cosmos ecosystem (including CRO since it was built using Cosmos SDK) I have a number of different tokens staked using it like ATOM, OSMO, JUNO, SCRT and STARS.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Until I see BTC above 30k before I become bullish again. Because BTC over 30k means massive profit for me on coins like ATOM, JUNO, EVMOS, and NGM due to a lot of DCA I have done.

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Would you rather have 500 JUNO or 1 ETH? And you can't trade it for 3 years.

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You are not far from the truth, I think from experience, what really matters most is not just buying any asset, but also buying assets that ensure passive earnings, for the pass few years, this has been my target, and it has been working for me, most of my long term assets like ETH, ATOM, LOOP, JUNO & EVMOS are staked, and I'm earning from it while holding, this method basically has helped me so far to grow my portfolio over the years.

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yrvt2z/daily_general_discussion_november_11_2022_gmt0/).

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#Cosmos Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by MrMoustacheMan which won 1st place in the Cosmos Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > #Cosmos Con Argument > > - *Disclaimer: ATOM currently makes up ~1-2% of my portfolio. Including Cosmos related projects like OSMO, JUNO, etc. or projects built on Tendermint like BNB, LUNA, CRO, then it's more like 5%.* > > - While I wrote about the benefits of a [hub and spoke model](https://v1.cosmos.network/images/intro/06-architecture.svg) in the [Cosmos Pro thread](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yl2/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_proarguments_november/), different development models/architecture have different tradeoffs (e.g., [Cathedral vs. Bazaar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar), [empire vs nation states](https://www.finder.com.au\/brave-new-worlds-cosmos-blockchain-and-social-evolution), [different blockchain types](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockchain#Types), or even [DAGs](https://np.reddit.com/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_dag)). > > - **TLDR**: The overarching focus of Cosmos is on interoperability - but a priority on connecting everything together doesn't necessarily benefit the development or utility of ATOM itself. It's natural for developers to disagree on their vision for a decentralized, open source project and some may even regard that as a positive. But infighting is bad for optics and there are certain aspects of ATOM's tokenomics that may limit its value within the 'Internet of Blockchains'. > > ##Team entropy > > - In February 2020, fighting within the Cosmos team lead to a [shakeup of talent](https://decrypt.co/19769/zaki-manian-cosmos-number-two-resigns) and a [restructuring of the companies involved in developing the project](https://messari.io/article/amid-multiple-departures-cosmos-core-contributor-tendermint-inc-restructures-the-company). > > - Former Tendermint director [Zaki Manian accused founder Jae Kwon of neglecting Cosmos by instead working on a side project, Virgo](https://decrypt.co/18324/tendermint-director-accuses-cosmos-founder-of-evading-responsibility). > > - Some (including Jae), regarded the 'break up' as a [move towards decentralization](https://gist.github.com/jaekwon/7cb869769aecf9c86bfd1b9e61c488df). > > - Zaki (in a now deleted tweet) [disagreed with the decentralization claim and pointed to delays in development, turnover and under-resourcing of the Cosmos project](https://web.archive.org/web/20200207134418/https://twitter.com/zmanian/status/1224384772677390336). Others [reported a toxic environment for engineers](https://twitter.com/jessysaurusrex/status/1224417773620588545). > > - Amidst this backdrop of 'he said, she said' the fact is that core developers like to work on their own pet projects: > > - I'm not sure if Virgo is still a thing, but [Jae Kwon stepped down to work on a Gno project](https://twitter.com/jaekwon/status/1360867477572493313?s=28). Zaki went on to [work on Iqlusion and Sommelier](https://www.linkedin.com/in/zmanian/) while Sunny Aggarwal [started Osmosis and Sikka](https://www.linkedin.com/in/sunnya97/). > > > > ##Project entropy > > - The [community tends to dismiss devs fighting as FUD](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/r2zhz0/its_a_fud_hit_piece_and_makes_me_sick/). And one could argue that developers shifting to work on other projects is a 'value add' to the ecosystem rather than a detriment to work on Cosmos. > > - I'm not so sure - and I think a related example is actually the main products these teams worked on, [Cosmos SDK](https://v1.cosmos.network/sdk) and [Tendermint](https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/tendermint-explained). > > - In the Pro thread I highlighted how many popular projects such as BNB, CRO and LUNA have been built using these tools. > > - Many of those coins now [have a higher marketcap than ATOM - but, beyond displaying their total value](https://cosmos-cap.com/) under one umbrella there isn't a 'trickle down effect' whereby growth in CRO impacts the value of ATOM. > > - This is a function of the Cosmos design decision to [retain the sovereignty of each connecting chain](https://juliankoh.medium.com/5-differences-between-cosmos-polkadot-67f09535594b). Unlike Polkadot or ETH, a rising tide in the Cosmos ecosystem *doesn't necessarily* lift all boats: > > - Polkadot parachains use DOT's security. Ethereum tokens use ETH as gas. But projects in the Cosmos ecosystem are not 'locked in' to using ATOM. > > - [Transactions fees on the Cosmos Hub do not necessarily need to be paid in ATOM](https://cryptoseq.medium.com/cosmos-atom-token-and-the-commonly-misunderstood-staking-tokens-part-three-958c295c5b78). > > - In the absence of a [shared security model](https://blog.cosmos.network/interchain-security-is-coming-to-the-cosmos-hub-f144c45fb035), all the [connected zones and hubs today](https://mapofzones.com/?period=720&testnet=false&tableOrderBy=totalIbcTxs&tableOrderSort=desc) continue to use their own native tokens rather than enhancing the value of ATOM. So, to go back to developer projects, [Osmosis can post growing liquidity and transaction volume](https://info.osmosis.zone/) but the DEX usage doesn't directly benefit ATOM. > > - So while the Cosmos Hub has been crucial to promoting interoperability, in the future it might not remain the economic center of an 'Internet of Blockchains' but instead get supplanted by one of its 'children'. > > - Jae Kwon spoke to this point years ago, [indicating his support for competition between hubs rather than locking users into Cosmos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OAulsLeDI0&t=749s). > > - And the centrality of ATOM seems to be the subtext of recent [dev arguments over 'Cosmos' nomenclature](https://np.reddit.com/r/cosmosnetwork/comments/scye0t/sunnys_constant_attacks_on_the_cosmos_hub/), with [calls to rebrand](https://twitter.com/sunnya97/status/1486031900925784066). > > - Where Cosmos *does* lock in users is with staking: > > - [ATOM uses a high token inflation rate to ensure a high staking participation. Users who don't stake their ATOM get essentially penalized by inflation, as the value of their holdings is diluted over time](https://medium.com/swlh/what-are-the-flaws-of-the-cosmos-and-how-to-tackle-them-6c114f4f3bd7). > > - This is obviously not beneficial for holders of smaller stacks and/or users who want to retain liquidity without being locked in to the 21-day unbonding period. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/qk4yls/coin_inquiries_round_cosmos_conarguments_november/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Cosmos) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yqzprc/daily_general_discussion_november_10_2022_gmt0/).

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

The trend is that cosmos projects require more and more staked ATOM/OSMO/JUNO etc in order to qualify for their airdrop. The numbers are typically not too silly, but if I were you, I would be aiming for 30 ATOM. That’s just my gut instinct based on previous requirements.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I do use Osmosis Dex for liquidity mining and Keplr for staking ATOM, EVMOS, NGM, and JUNO. Staking is the less risky option and their APYs are also very decent.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

KUJI in particular is geting obliterated. and JUNO is always tempting.

Mentions:#KUJI#JUNO
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I agree on staking on Keplr. I have these coins ATOK, EVMOS, NGM, JUNO, OSMO and more staked on Keplr and the rewards are very good. This is one of the benefits of PoS blockchains like Cosmos.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I’ve been personally loving ATOM and its DeFi ecosystem (namely OSMO, EVMOS, and JUNO). I only recently started getting into its DeFi with liquidity pools, and its airdrops are pretty frequent with some being pretty decent. I have some high expectations for the project but easily my biggest alt bag followed by ALGO

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I dca every day so the prices don't matter much to me. But if I scrounge up any more fiat I'd buy extra XLM and JUNO at these prices.

Mentions:#XLM#JUNO
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I probably sell half of the drops I get. I research projects and find ones I believe in when they drop. So far I still have some STARs. EVMOS I like, but I sold to seal profits and stay afloat during the tumble.The only JUNO coin that I kept is GLTO, because they have a great team and solid ideas.

Mentions:#EVMOS#JUNO
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Not that it will definitely happen again, but I’ve staked ATOM, JUNO, and OSMO for a while and it saved me during the market dump. I’m 2X on my initial investment that I put in before the dump. Airdrops have made me so much in ATOM. (I know it sounds like I’m shilling really bad right now)

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Arbitrum, quai, zeta. Besides that I stake ATOM, JUNO, OSMO this gives alot of airdrops

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

For those new to Cosmos ecosystem here's what one should be staking to anticipate some decent value airdrops. $ATOM $OSMOS $EVMOS $JUNO $SCRT $TORI $REBUS $AKT

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Just ATOM? I see people suggesting ATOM, OSMO and JUNO but I don't know if it's worth it.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Just staking ATOM, OSMO, JUNO, EVMOS and SCRT should get you the majority of the airdrops.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I like to stake ATOM, EVMOS, NGM, JUNO, OSMO and other Cosmos based projects. They all offer very good staking APYs.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Of course, slow and steady win the race. People underrate how much they can achieve by DCAing, holding, and staking. >After you have more returns you could start thinking about altcoins and staking them too. All the while you keep staking stable coins too. I prefer staking altcoins compared to stablecoins. Stablecoins APYs are quite low. I earn 125% APY staking OCEAN, 100%+ staking EVMOs, and 40% staking JUNO.

Mentions:#OCEAN#JUNO
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

I hope JUNO recovers. The stupid whale thing ruined it. There are a couple really good projects developing on Juno I’ve invested quite a bit into relatively.

Mentions:#JUNO
r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

The JUNO whale story killed all its momentum and it shows no real sign of recovery

Mentions:#JUNO
r/CryptoMarketsSee Comment

Well, it depends on what you are staking in the community. I get 20% staking ATOM, 26% on NGM, and 40% on JUNO. I don't think those coins you mentioned are part of the Cosmos ecosystem.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

My favourite POS cryptocurrencies are ATOM, EVMOS, JUNO, NGM and OSMO. These are Cosmos based projects offering real utilities. ATOM enables sovereign chains to communicate with each other, EVMOS is a bridge between Ethereum and Cosmos, JUNO is an interoperable smart contract platform, NGM is a stablecoins payment platform while OSMO is an interchain AMM.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Taking part in testnets and possibly qualifying for airdrops is one of the best ways. I have also gotten airdrops from staking coins in Cosmos such as ATOM, OSMO, NGM and JUNO.

r/CryptoCurrencySee Comment

Thanks for the Nomic tip! I have some ATOM, OSMO, JUNO, and EVMOS staked, so I'll keep DCAing there. Any other Cosmos projects you particularly like?