LP

robertjuh

think i've done some LP last year but kinda forgot about it

Shiratori-3

This is tangential, but the omnipool approach that HydraDX https://hydradx.io/ (recently rebranded as Hydration) takes is quite a nice approach - and allows you to LP with a single asset as well. Sharing for interest anyway.

DBRiMatt

IL is obviously a risk with LP - and typically either relying on high volume for trading fee revenue, or other forms of incentivized rewards to balance out IL. I'm not sure, without those, how you really can eliminate IL - and would very much like to see both a detailed explanation and an ELI5 for comparison. This project seems like something reaching out to the via modmail and paying for the advertising that comes with hosting an AMA/banner rental on r/cryptocurrency and/or r/ethtrader would be interesting for both subs, and beneficial for the project.

Joohansson

I already been holding other bitcoin since 2013 so will continue holding those. This refund in particular I will sell to other crypto and use for defi LP farming

jawni

Perfect example of rule \#3. Fudding for no reason other than a hunch, while I have essentially 0 ulterior motive for writing this comment. Maybe try to think through the logic I used and see if it's congruent. Even if I did lie about this, does it make anything I said make less sense? What would I gain by lying in a post like this? And what if anything in the comment is inaccurate? You should probably have good answers for both of those before posting your kneejerk reaction. I'll give you as much proof as I can without doxxing my wallet: https://imgur.com/a/qR2DWcO (my bonk buys) https://imgur.com/a/ehVDp35 (my pepe buy) https://imgur.com/a/oaITZuI (initial KAMA buy and my LP's)

suesing

Whatever you borrow is effectively a short position against your collateral. So in this case, you’d be shorting eth in order to provide ETH LP. Should eth spike in price, you’d need to provide more collateral to keep the loan going. And due to impermanent loss, your LP would skew heavier towards usdc compared where you started. Thinking about it, makes no sense.

anythingapplicable

Once again, i might be wrong here, its been a while since i have dabbled in LP's on defi. Certain protocols might provide interest on the collateral you have provided, do double check. You can also read up on funding fee arbitrage as a delta neutral strategy if you're interested too. Cheers

anythingapplicable

As far as i know, you can't really hedge against impermanent loss. For example (assuming eth is at 1000USDC), you provided 1000 USDC and 1 ETH to a LP. At time of withdrawal, (assuming ETH is now at 1500USDC), you withdraw 1100USDC + 0.9ETH. This is a loss of 0.1ETH which you have to buy back at 1500USDC which is 150 USDC worth, which means a realized loss of 50USDC to cover back the 1ETH loan which you have taken out. > In the current conditions USDc can be loaned for 7% and ETH borrowed for 4% creating a net 3% on the position It depends on the APY of the USDC/ETH LP. Note that **you do not earn any interest on collateral you provide**. If you need to borrow 500USDC worth of ETH, and you provide 1000USDC as collateral, you are effectively losing out on 7% apy on the 1000USDC you have provided, and have to pay 4% for the 500USDC worth of ETH which you have borrowed. If the USDC/ETH LP is having an APY of 100%, then yes it might be worthwhile. However, if the LP is only having an APY of only 10%, it really doesn't seem like a very good risk/reward ratio.

RLouisD

Borrow enough etc to have a 50/50 LP position, keeping the remaining USDc portion as collateral. Let me adjust the posts wording

RLouisD

The loan is collateralized, at least with my current implementation 2x. Because there is a net gain on the borrowing itself, the position would start at 3% APR (with current rates) + LP fees

RLouisD

$1500 USDC = $500USDc collateral, 500USDc/500eth LP position.

RLouisD

In regard to the impermanent loss, this is why we borrow the more volatile asset to effectively hedge this away. In the current conditions USDc can be loaned for 7% and ETH borrowed for 4% creating a net 3% on the position not inclusive of LP fees. This leaves the risk of liquidation as a pretty decent risk however. If we're using a larger capital base to offset this chance, in the current market conditions it's still net 3% on that position. Thoughts?

anythingapplicable

Assuming you have 2000USDC as capital, your steps would be to 1. provide 1000 USDC as collateral to borrow 500USDC worth of ETH. 2. provide 500USDC + 500USDC worth of ETH to a LP. Total capital needed= 2000USDC. Costs = borrow costs of 500USDC worth of ETH, gas fees, impermanent loss. Profits = Profits from LP. Benchmark to beat = 4%APY of capital provided (2000USDC) As long you significantly beat the benchmark of 4% APY which most HYSA are providing, i don't see the risk/reward here being very lucrative. Most of the time, if the LP is providing really high APY's, the risk of impermanent loss and the cost of borrowing the more volatile asset will also be much higher.

Logical_Lemming

If you borrow against your USDC, you can't use that same USDC to LP. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're asking.

themrgq

Just an FYI even with that security breach if you were diligent with keeping the security mechanisms on LP up to date and had a very strong master password...you were fine.

Somebody__Online

Get a Trezor model T hardware wallet and use it with either MetaMask or Rabby wallet to stake and get participate in LP farming or whatever defi. It works just like your hot MetaMask but prompts you to use the hardware device before the transaction goes through.

Adventurous-Ad-101

Check out what the commits are against. TVL websites don’t count $50mil in rental properties paying users daily rent and supported by token/USDC liquidity pools for defi & liquid trading. They don’t count $60mil in liquid governance or $5mil in Gold onchain. But, they will count $1m illiquid LP that can’t be moved due to scammers draining one side of the pool as running up the price. Every metric can be gamed. Question isn’t can it, question should be has it.

Somebody__Online

Nice. Yeah the world of Defi is pretty deep. There a lot more to do than trading. If you ever want to know about some of the LP farming opportunities in crypto, just ask. Look at pools like the ones offered at Beefy that’s a good intro to that world and beefy is a solid team and protocol to interact with

Shiratori-3

Where's a good place to LP some ETH these days?

Somebody__Online

They own all the initial LP and the fees from 1% pools doing millions in volume are actually pretty worth while

jskiba

He's idolized by any narcissist, who wants to get rich fast. They're the very kind of demographic that is easy to scam by appealing to their ego. They parrot the brand and get taken advantage of. It's their money in LP's pocket. He symbolizes greed. The end justifying the means. Ego over reason. An internet equivalent of road rage. My theory is that Coffee decided to check up if any of the refunds have been made on Crypto Zoo. He promised he would. I bet the timing of the lawsuit is in response to that upcoming video. It's like a virtual moratorium on future expose being given to the fully unresolved scam. And clock keeps ticking. The lawsuit will be thrown out. It is bogus. Coffee will make a video about it and we'll find out what it was all about.

Somebody__Online

Yup!!! I hedge my LP farms with perpetual short sells. Let’s me earn the yield these pools pay while maintaining a neutral delta to the asset price. People are sleeping on perpetual contracts as part of their defi strategy Your right the funding fees do flip but when your at 1x leverage the risk of negative funding fees moving your liquidation price is still like 0

Somebody__Online

I do the vast majority of my crypto with BtC and ETH. There’s so many opportunities to make yield and collect dex rewards incentives from just those blue chips that it almost is not worth chasing other nonsense. I’m averaging about 40% Apr on my ETH (that’s for liquidy incentives payed by Lido and more recently the Arbitrum foundation) and lately the BtC is pulling close to 30% Apr from the GMX finding fees I get payed for holding short (I am short soled BtC with BtC as collateral at 1x in the BtC/BtC market, so my price exposure is locked in at 64k but the BtC earns funding fees payed in BtC at over 30% APR) As for some more risky shit I like OVN. The overnight finance project manages like 55 Million in stable coin farms and the OVN token earns a LP incentive from Aerodrome of 200% Apr $20,000 in an LP like that can pay for most of my cost of living lol

Somebody__Online

It’s already stoped out. I don’t disagree that there are forms of leverage trading that are gambling but that’s not what I’m doing. Gains network and GMX are paying ARB token rewards for open and close fees on their platform. I open and close massive leverage trades generally at a wash and end up farming the rewards. Yesterday alone I earned 1,285 ARB tokens just from reward kick backs for opening and closing leverage plays. I also use leverage shorts with 1-1.5x leverage to hedge LP farms to create a neutral delta for the price exposure of the farm assets. Thanks for your concern but I am not gambling. Leverage perpetual contracts are just a part of my investment strategy. If anything I would recommend you try some perpetual trading on Gains or GMX since the kick back rewards make the risk profile accessible even for a gambler

gmtully42

Might LP be looking at Reddit posts like this to use to present to judge that people don’t like him because of Coffeezilla?🤔

Sutanz

Why are you lying about the amount you lost? I call the post fake fud. **You didn't own 13.000 TON**, you owned 26 STON (staked TON) and 10.700,36 NOT (another shit token). **Your 10.700 NOT are worth 21 TON** which in **USD is ~150$.** According to your own screenshots and without knowing how much those LP tokens are worth, you lost like 300$ in tokens, pretty far from the amount you claim. **From start to finish this is regarded behavior and not something any normal user would do**. Can't believe any of it. Getting excited for 2-3% when stablecoins are currently giving 20~ with less risks than a random shitcoin, picking a wallet because of the customer service or thinking your random shitcoin is gonna be the next Bitcoin on Ethereum, and then not even knowing the value of the damn amount you have lost, oversizing the problem and trying to make it look x100 times bigger. **I call cap**

fan_of_hakiksexydays

It's actually easier to setup a crypto wallet than apply for a bank account and debit card. It's literally a matter of clicking "download", then setting up your password, and writting down the seed phrase. There's fewer steps than opening a bank account. Even spending the crypto from your wallet is as easy as using Apple Pay now. And exchanges like Coinbase have simplified UX for buying crypto, where you just enter the amount of crypto you want and click "buy". The part that might be harder is if you do more advanced stuff. Anything from more advanced security features, self custody, staking, using LP, etc...

robeewankenobee

I did it, in 2021 , you make quite some nice upside in Lido Dao tokens. You should LP and Stake the LP tokens , like any other normal Dapp in use on serious chains like Cardano or Algorand.

mbdtf95

Man I'm sick to my stomach when I see that in the end it was all about freaking LP, and the fact that I had funds on zksync, but I purposely didn't put any into LP in beginning because I wanted to trade higher volume on chain, and when it's in LP there's less I can volume trade with. NGL this ZKsync drop totally disappointed me.

noviwu97

Since when did you put the LP?

mbdtf95

Huh you provided only $100 LP and got $9000 worth drop. How? I had $130 in LP, hit 3 criterias and got just 1600 tokens....

noviwu97

I interacted like once a month. But the most important one is having LP. I only have $100 LP though, should have put bigger. But oh well

Squirrel_McNutz

I fought hard for a good allo too. Most people did. I had libertus omnibus on both wallets, paystation, guild xyz top verification, zklite usage and a shitload of transactions, volume, time spent, etc. The one and only thing your high allocation was based on was liquidity. That was it. You putting that money into the LP was what got you what you got, they decided to make that the one and only truly important criteria.

Squirrel_McNutz

Definitely won’t get over it. I had 2 wallets in the top 1% according to just about every tracker and ended up with only 7800 zk allocation across the two. Other people I know got 80k - 100k by doing less simply by having more money to put into LP. That’s the only thing zk cared about. Opportunity at life changing money that was yanked from us. Fuck zk. With that being said I do agree it’s undervalued atm… but yeah, what do you expect when you give 1% of wallets like 75% of the allocation - they’re obviously gonna dump. Who’s there to buy?

mbdtf95

How much you got if I may ask. And I LPed just $130 which seems to have been most important thing to do. I had maybe balance of like $400-$500 on ZKsync because I do not want to hold too much on a hot wallet with which I constantly interact with. This is yet another drop that seems to be a whale game. Max allocation is just too large and it benefited the most to just a very tiny amount of power users that could've afforded to LP few thousands on each of their dozens/hundreds of wallets.

DBRiMatt

I got a few thousand actually - LP'd with syncswap back in October to December last year, and mute which then became KOI. I think I might have even spent a few weeks in Izumi's liquidity pool before deciding i didn't like that dex - can't remember if that was ZKSync or Linea though. I think the token isn't going to be worth very much at the end of the day though, but atleast it'll buy a few happy meals xD

GodCunt

Every coin says they have a strong community, and I'm sure some of them do, but crow with knife is next level. The holders put their money where their mouth is- from providing LP, community fund-raisers for CEX listings, donating to users who got scammed, and the relentless fanatical borderline abusive circus of a discord server it really can't be topped. Love this group.

CointestMod

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is a DEX con-argument written by Nostalg33k. > # DEX: A contradiction to mass adoption. > > DEXes are a big part of the crypto economy, yet they have a lot of problems. I will present the main problems with dexes: The complexity of the legal ramifications, the liquidity problems and finally the lack of on-ramp system. > > # Introduction: > > Decentralized exchanges are systems allowing people to directly swap a cryptocurrency for another cryptocurrency. > > Main examples include PancakeSwap, SushiSwap, UniSwap and RcpSwap. These platforms mostly work through Liquidity providers (LP) and Yield Farming through transactions fees. > > While they can be usefull depending on your use of cryptocurrencies, they can also have issues which aren't going to be fixed anytime soon. > > ​ > > # 1) The obvious legal problems > > ​ > > There are obvious legal problems inherent to P2P trading. You don't know who will be using your P2P system. Since Dexes don't comply with KYC they can work with unlawful parties such as but not limited with sanctionned countries, organized crime, terrorists, hackers and your shady government officials. > > As a liquidity provider, are your lending your money to offer trading services? Are you offering banking services to people if you allow them to lend money to others. There are far reaching implications raised by Dexes. One can only wonder how long until they are regulated out of existence because they seem like the dark alley of the crypto space. > > ​ > > # 2) Liquidity providers, the true bag holding strategy. > > Liquidity providers are the key to the inner working of Dexes. In order to have enough tokens to allow trading, you need to have enough liquidity in both sides of the pair. Obviously you can use more complex paths (A token for B, B for C and C for D when the custommer wanted to do A to D) if there is no liquidity in a given pair. > > Liquidity providers can see a pool be drained of one side of the tokens and the other side can depreciate leaving people with massive losses. > > Lastly a pool can be drained because of an exploit. > > All these risks are faced solely by the liquidity providers. While CEXes are also vulnerable to exploits, they are more safely managed through assurance and reserves in multiple assets (non crypto assets) > > # 3) Dexes will never popularize enough. > > Dexes are a niche tool, yes they have a looooot of value locked in their liquidity pools BUT a lot of our tokens aren't really liquid (Spoiler: there is not a trillion dollars in crypto currencies, the market cap is far from reflecting the liquidity of our assets). I'd argue that their big numbers are a trap. They are actually incapable of becoming popular for the common man. > > Most people will not want to have to go through multiple plateforms to check prices and liquidity; they don't want to worry about slippage and they just want a smooth experience. > > While CEX are not protecting them from these problems, they allow for a smooth ride and for people without technical knowledge to buy and send cryptocurrencies. > > The lack of on-ramp to transform USD or EUR into crypto is the final nail in a sturdy coffin. > > ​ > > # Conclusion: DEXes are only good for power users. > > I'd argue that in this small essay I haven't provided reason to turn your back to Dexes. But the lack of simplicity means that the average investor may not need to know much about Dexes and can stay using CEX and their own wallet to really own their crypto (not your seed not your coins) > > If you have to use a DEX ask yourself, could you do the same in a CEX? If the answer is yes, then most people in your situation would prefer the simplicity of a CEX. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find submissions for other topics.

tilac

For context I put in 20 ETH at the end on Jan so the numbers aren't the same today. Not everyone can risk 20 ETH and at the time I shouldn't have, but you can math it from my numbers to yours. Etherfi gave me an airdrop of 1140 ETHFI ($5300 today) for season 1. I expect Season 2 to be 20% of that but just guessing. Etherfi still gives me \~3% for restaking and soon EigenLayer restaking will be added to that. On Pendle I split between PT-eETH for fixed yield and it matures June 29 for +1.2 ETH or so but no Etherfi points. The other half went into the LP and I got about 0.7 ETH from that so far plus about 20 PENDLE tokens but also 2x Etherfi points. Both Pendle options were about 30% APR when I got it but the LP is around 11% now. Again, the PT-eETH was fixed rate no points. LP double points but the rate is lower today. Altogether maybe 2 ETH in 5 months and $5300 in airdrop. . Swell L2 is still unknown but I keep generating all my previous yields and they claim to airdrop 1% supply for every project that launches on the L2 and there's 5 or 6 projects so far. Before that I had it all sitting in LIDO stETH. Compared to LIDO it's been really good. Ship might have sailed on Etherfi airdrop fantasies but Pendle is still cooking.

Salty-Cheetah3443

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jawni

That would be >600% yield over a year, that's literally unheard of for a basic LP. **If you want to prove it, just post the CA.** But my guess is that you're extrapolating rates that would never last a day, let alone an entire month, or you're misinterpreting something else. I've temporarily had environments like that but they never last. 600% annual yield doesn't just sit around forever... even on Cardano people would notice that... even if you took a zero off that. It's always temporary events like airdrops where there is a very small amount of liquidity that is facilitating a large amount of volume. If you really have been farming a pool with 600% yield and it hasn't been flooded with liquidity, then Cardano traders are somehow even dumber than I imagined. But like I said, it's hearsay unless you want to show me the actual pool, that's the great thing about blockchains.

International_Ad65

$SEAT is a memecoin with utility They donate to charities at marketcap milestones with the aim of reducing/ending human trafficking and child abuse. LP is locked and immutable so no rugs Dev was a big otc trader during the game stop and AMC run a few years back, he just got tired or being rugged in crypto and wanted to do something worthy and that can make people money. TG groups is solid and super active, dev responds to everyone. Check it out if you're interested https://crishensan.com/

quint_essential

This has potential for sure, but for me my PolitiFi play is $BURGUM. Pick the one with the fat LP pool at around $350k.

tomasteri

Yeah looking good, starting biggest bull run MOST memeable. OG Brett on Eth community CTO, killing it. Best meme out there with LP locked (not like base brett) Oldest, first, OG. CA 0x240D6FAF8c3B1A7394e371792A3bf9D28DD65515

rw258906

Yes, when referring to bonded LP value you always refer to the total value of the bonded LP not just one side. It is sending USDC to uniswap, I thought I had been quite clear in my explanation and the model. >So yes, someone buys $10,k worth of TKN and their $10,k \*\*(of USDC)\*\* is used \*\*(by bonding it along with the equivalent amount of TKN from the LBC)\*\* to create 20k worth of bonded USDC and TKN on uniswap, the original $10k stays in the FLP.

Somebody__Online

You can buy some ETH, withdraw it to your own wallet maybe to like Arbitrum, OP, or Base chain (eth L2 chains are way cheaper to use) Then swap 80% of the ETH for wstETH (wrapped staked ETH from Lido protocol, it’s just an index of ETH+staking yield) Then create a liquidity position at uniswap where you pair the wstETH with ETH. Set the price range of your position tight around the current spot price. No more than 2% above and 0.5% below. This sort of liquidity position should require about an 80:20 split of wstETH:ETH. This is what you want so that as the index price of wstETH rises thanks to the stake yield, your liquidity is facilitating the swapping of wstETH into ETH. Over the course of about 3-5 month your entire position should shift 100% into ETH until the price of wstETH is outside the upper limit of your range. By doing this you will not only earn the staking yield from staked ETH but also the trading fees from traders swapping in and out of staked ETH. On top of that you will also earn incentives payed by Lido for that liquidity. Those are payed in wstETH and added to the other forms of yield this strategies bears. Currently the incentives are about 26% Apr while the LP pays close to 8% in fees and staking yield is about 4%. So if your following along this is a way to generate about 32% Apr in ETH on a position that is exclusively exposed to ETH price action.

h4l

You've described your idea with procedural steps, without a model, so I'm not confident that I've understood the properties you intend your design to have. How do you see this improving on the seller setting up a uni V3 pool with an LP position containing only their token and letting people buy from it/sell into it? How would you contrast it with a bonding curve contact?

rw258906

>That's not what your post says This appears to be where the disconnect is. What I said is: >The total supply of TKN is 2million and let's say you take 500,k TKN and put it into a liquidity pool that is created by the project to be used as the faucet liquidity pool (FLP) along with 10,000 USDC. and >Now let's say you create a smart contract that holds another 500,k TKN and all this smart contract does is, when it is sent USDC it uses that USDC to bond with the TKN and create liquidity on a Uniswap USDC/TKN pool (LP) we will call this smart contract the liquidity bootstrapping contract (LBC). And >Now let's say someone buys $10,k TKN, what happens is that the FLP would create 10,k iUSDC, and send its USDC to the LBC. So yes, someone buys $10,k worth of TKN and their $10,k is used to create 20k worth of bonded USDC and TKN on uniswap, the original $10k stays in the FLP. Will reply to the rest of the post soon

AvatarOfMomus

>The FLP started with 10k USDC, the user who bought TKN from it deposited 10k USDC into the FLP and then the FLP sent 10k USDC to the LBC. That's not what your post says 😂 >Both the FLP and the LBC started with 500k TKN each. They must start with the same amount of token in order for the system to work. This ensures that for every TKN that the FLP sells the LBC bonds the same amount. Right, but at the point you made this statement you'd just had a transaction where someone had bought \~9.8k from the LBC (I think?) so they don't have the same amount anymore... >Yes, this is true, but if the only way to get TKN is through the FLP then the price will by definition be dynamically tied to both supply and liquidity. No? The price is based on what someone will pay for it. If someone buys your token and then decides they don't want it anymore, but can't find a buyer at the current FLP price, then they sell it lower and your price on the market has, by definition, dropped. Nothing in your proposal puts a floor on the price, only a ceiling, and only as long as the FLP has tokens to sell. >My thinking here is that the only way to get the TKN would be through the FLP initially. However you can't drain the LBC (because of the fact that it is limited to the 10k initial USDC and all USDC that it sends is first received from someone purchasing off of the FLP) or the USDC on uniswap because the liquidity on uniswap would always be equal to the circulating supply of the token. It's going to be equal to what people paid for it in USDC (at least if I'm understanding what you wrote correctly, I'm not sure what you wrote is what you meant though...) but once someone buys the tokens if they can ever get them at a lower price from someone else then they can potentially sell them to the Liquidity pool at its calculated price (again, assuming I'm understanding this right) and thus make more than they personally paid for the tokens. >To illustrate, once there has been $75,k worth of TKN sold by the FLP then there would be 30,k TKN which would be circulating on the market, and 30,k locked up on the uniswap LP, So, this doesn't math out as correct, or match your spreadsheet... just for a start from what I can tell if you buy $75,000 USDC worth of TKN then there's now \~60-65k TKN circulating, not 30k. > the average price would have been $2.5k and there would be 75k of USDC locked in the uniswap LP pool as well. If at that point 100% of the circulating TKN was dumped on the uniswap pool the price of TKN would go from $2.50 to $0.63 but there would still be 375000 USDC on the uniswap LP. I have no idea where you pulled 2.5k from in all of this, but it doesn't match your spreadsheet at all. Just so we're clear, 2.5k would be short for two thousand five hundred dollars. Also the general idea of this conflicts with this statement from your post: >his bag didn't go down in price. If someone buys X tokens for 10k but then sells them back and gets back $Y, which is less than 10k, then the value of the tokens is not 10k/X it's $Y/X. More basically you're calculating the price of the sale after knowing how much is being sold, which I don't think actually works, legally speaking, with a 10k limit. You either have to sell one token at a time, or sell the whole batch for the advertised price per token. More generally I think you're making a math mistake here, which is you're taking some quantities from after the transaction and others from before it, and it's not consistent. By your own equation if there's 75k paid into the pool, and I sell all circulating tokens to the pool, then the value in USDC in the pool should be 500k, because the pool now contains 500k TKN and its value is a static calculation at 2.5 \* 10\^11. Also if your system won't buy back the tokens for at least the price someone just paid for them then why would they ever use it? All it seems to be doing with this version of your explanation is locking up USDC inside the LBC on Uniswap that either never comes out or makes the token creator richer? >How would this happen? Rounding in the code, any other coding error of any kind, or given the new information when the founders unlock their 1m TKN any selling from that would almost instantly drain the 10k.

rw258906

>You send the 10k USDC from the FLP to the LBC on Uniswap, but then you say the FLB (I assume you meant FLP) still has 10k USDC, which doesn't add up. The FLP started with 10k USDC, the user who bought TKN from it deposited 10k USDC into the FLP and then the FLP sent 10k USDC to the LBC. >Then you also say the FLP and LBC have the same quantity of the hypothetical TKN, but at this point someone has bought \~9.8k from the LBC, and none seems to have moved out of the FLP, and even if it had none of the amounts listed are going to result in the FLP and LBC having the same amounts. Both the FLP and the LBC started with 500k TKN each. They must start with the same amount of token in order for the system to work. This ensures that for every TKN that the FLP sells the LBC bonds the same amount. >If the price of the token goes up then yes, someone can buy from the FLP and then flip the tokens to make money, but as soon as the price drops there's no incentive to touch the FLP. Yes, this is true, but if the only way to get TKN is through the FLP then the price will by definition be dynamically tied to both supply and liquidity. >Also unless the literal only way to buy these tokens is through the LBC on Uniswap then there's the potential for someone to gather enough tokens to drain the USDC in the LP behind the LBC contract and make a profit through price manipulation or even a small error in the contract's code. My thinking here is that the only way to get the TKN would be through the FLP initially. However you can't drain the LBC (because of the fact that it is limited to the 10k initial USDC and all USDC that it sends is first received from someone purchasing off of the FLP) or the USDC on uniswap because the liquidity on uniswap would always be equal to the circulating supply of the token. >Like, you said there's 2 million tokens, we've accounted for half of those in your example, there's nothing that stops the other 1 million from having their price drop and then this whole setup becomes worthless. Let's assume for not that the other 1 million are locked up for partners with a 3 year vesting period or something (I shouldn't have included them in what I wrote). To illustrate, once there has been $75,k worth of TKN sold by the FLP then there would be 30,k TKN which would be circulating on the market, and 30,k locked up on the uniswap LP, the average price would have been $2.5k and there would be 75k of USDC locked in the uniswap LP pool as well. If at that point 100% of the circulating TKN was dumped on the uniswap pool the price of TKN would go from $2.50 to $0.63 but there would still be 375000 USDC on the uniswap LP. I modeled it out in google sheets here: [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hGcOEAMgalqr9YN\_r7Awc1JIxKvaCGozGt5odJzQgSA/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hGcOEAMgalqr9YN_r7Awc1JIxKvaCGozGt5odJzQgSA/edit?usp=sharing) >In short, this seems like a way to donate 10k to whoever figures out the best way to drain your LP How would this happen?

AvatarOfMomus

I think you're skipping some steps in here somewhere, because I'm on my third read through of this and it's not parsing as sense... You send the 10k USDC from the FLP to the LBC on Uniswap, but then you say the FLB still has 10k USDC, which doesn't add up. Then you also say the FLP and LBC have the same quantity of the hypothetical TKN, but at this point someone has bought \~9.8k from the LBC, and none seems to have moved out of the FLP, and even if it had none of the amounts listed are going to result in the FLP and LBC having the same amounts. More than simple math errors though I think this just doesn't do what you think it does... If the price of the token goes up then yes, someone can buy from the FLP and then flip the tokens to make money, but as soon as the price drops there's no incentive to touch the FLP. Also unless the literal only way to buy these tokens is through the LBC on Uniswap then there's the potential for someone to gather enough tokens to drain the USDC in the LP behind the LBC contract and make a profit through price manipulation or even a small error in the contract's code. Like, you said there's 2 million tokens, we've accounted for half of those in your example, there's nothing that stops the other 1 million from having their price drop and then this whole setup becomes worthless. More than that though, even if we ignore the extra tokens, ignore external trading, and just have this system you've described, I think the only thing you've done is create a zero-sum setup where all the money that went in is guaranteed to go back out again, plus your starting 10k. In short, this seems like a way to donate 10k to whoever figures out the best way to drain your LP.

Somebody__Online

I do all of this from a hardware wallet on dexs. It’s all on chain. I only use CeX for selling and buying with cash. It changes a lot based on who is paying the most. At the moment I’m farming at Aerodrome (base) and on Uniswap (arbitrum and Base at the moment) I also farm on Curve, Balancer, Sushi, Camelot, BaseSwap, QuickSwap, and whatever smaller dex protocols are running on some of the more new to the scene L2 chains. I like using StakeDAO to access boost for some of the LP pools at Curve or the Angle ones. It’s really all about who is paying the most. That tends to change week to week as the incentives are voted on in weekly epochs at most exchanges

Somebody__Online

No amount of analysis will be able to predict the future. You can be right 100x and wrong 1x and still not see profits if your not a managing your risk appropriately. Personally I like the more passive approach. Like right now on Base chain there is LP yield at about 90% Apr on stable coins like USDC/FRAX and by adding $100 to a pool like that your $100 is unlikely to ever go down but your also being payed about $90 a year in exchange rewards. I take the rewards and invest those into more risky positions but the principal is all in stable coins and cash exposed assets

Winzors

Arbitrum definitely has issue with its public facing approach, and none of the dapps do any media at all outside of niche crypto twitter communities, but the activity is real. If you'd like to take a look through the ecosystem alongside a breakdown of metrics by protocol, consider [browsing the Arbitrum section on DeFiLlama](https://defillama.com/chain/Arbitrum). Basically everything you can imagine you'd be interested in having available in DeFi from lending, perps, options, etc all composable and interoperable with a myriad of structured products running on top for improved UX and boosted yield. Innovation hasn't slowed down at all, just the communication of whats going on, an awesome example I mentioned in the post is the recent development from Stryke. Running an LP on an AMM is a pretty professional affair and somewhat difficult to manage profitably which has been a bit of a thorn in the side of this industry. With Stryke you can take your LP, deposit in the protocol and sell options on the same liquidity while earning premiums in addition to your LP fees. The genius of this is that it's fundamentally the same as just having an LP, as the way AMMs are designed you're essentially selling options anyway but for free. So this innovation dramatically improves LP profitability and solves a really serious issue with the industry at the same time. This is the kind of innovation that's happening all over the Arbitrum ecosystem that just isn't getting any attention, because no-one on the media side of the industry is paying attention.

Phine420

I just hold my btc-eth LP at 20% APR

That_Resort_4315

# I would buy more $SEAT is my advice. # SEAT one of the most solid projects out there and will be one of the biggest on Solana and here’s why One thing I’ve noticed about all these communities on Reddit is that every meme coin is the next “10, 100, 1000X” coin but none of them give you a reason as to why. The only thing that’s ever said is “great community, based dev, funny memes” and then you look at the chart and they are all rug pulls (with the exception of maybe 2 or 3) With that being said, here are the reasons why SEAT will be one of the best projects out there and everything we’ve accomplished in a months time. We’re a group of traders that came from the OTC markets and know what it takes to send a project to the moon. Our accomplishments thus far with proof of everything: * We donated $16,000 to Operation Underground Railroad (Sound of Freedom movie creators) they gave us a shoutout on their Twitter multiple times. We will be making community donations to The National Center For Missing and Exploited Children everytime our market cap doubles to help the fight against human trafficking. * We have been listed on Jupiters “strict list” * We are listed on Phantom Wallet so it’s easier to buy our project for people new to meme coins * We have our first merch drop live on the website and all proceeds will go to the burning of tokens and the dev matches it to limit the supply of tokens even further. He post a video of him doing it in real time which will be attached to this. [https://seatmerch.com/](https://seatmerch.com/) Video proof of token burning: [https://x.com/crishensan/status/1789107909097640282?s=46&t=2Smk81RO\_zugIs172\_6dhw](https://x.com/crishensan/status/1789107909097640282?s=46&t=2Smk81RO_zugIs172_6dhw) * We got listed on [https://gerygoonsler.com](https://gerygoonsler.com/) yesterday * We are working on our Coingecko application now to get listed on their exchange * We’ve been verified on Birdeye Exchange * The token supply is fully diluted and the LP is burned meaning no new coins can ever be minted/created. We currently have 996mil supply which will continue dropping with each merch drop because as posted above all proceeds go to burning the token supply with video proof. * The dev is a full time trader who recently did an in person interview to explain our project and our cause Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/live/NgxqYqkuzAI?si=uRuwzGDD9pGmmxUU](https://www.youtube.com/live/NgxqYqkuzAI?si=uRuwzGDD9pGmmxUU) So, with all this being said, if you are looking for a legitimate project where you don’t have to worry about rug pulls this is the one for you. We are working 24/7 to make this a life changing project not just for us but for others through our donations. Give us a look and do some research and I can assure you that you will love what you see. Our website: [https://crishensan.com/](https://crishensan.com/) Check out SEAT/SOL on DEX Screener! [https://dexscreener.com/solana/1gc2m3UbBFJMQCb8ZGWpRLDVLmi13cf7q4CVc3TbqyV](https://dexscreener.com/solana/1gc2m3UbBFJMQCb8ZGWpRLDVLmi13cf7q4CVc3TbqyV)

Wheels_McFantini

1. To Mog the world 2. The community that formed around the project was absolutely electric. Many other tokens lose their community entirely when the price goes down. The Mog community got bigger and more active when the price went down. There's something magnetic about people having fun on the internet regardless of price. 3. We cater to a culture of perseverance, relentlessness, manifestation, hard work, and effortless cosmic domination. 4. Mog was a fair launch coin, with no marketing budget. The LP is locked. 5. The 10 team members that funded the deployment received 12% of the tokens at launch. \~7% of the tokens were burned by anti-sniper-taxes in the first few blocks. The remaining 81% went directly into the Mog/WETH liquidity pool. 6. Ownership of the Mog contract has been renounced, the contract is now immutable.

narnarnarnia

“Liquidity Pool or Liquidity Provider token ) Also called "pool tokens" and "liquidity tokens," an LP token is a crypto token given to users who loan their crypto to a liquidity pool.” So like the federal reserve printing money?

billy-joe-cyrus

Infinite scaling. Devs relinquished LP

Lapollo

Appreciate the reply, At the moment I do have a small amount of both BTC and ETH. Is a solana and phantom wallet a hard wallet? Will I get that and get like a ledger or Trezor wallet on top of that? Might be a dumb question but what does it mean to play around and fool around? just send money back and forth? Would I not have to keep paying fees? And just lose money? Not too sure what DEX DeFi or even LP is but I’ll look into all those 3! Any recommendations on crypto twitter accounts, I know the likes of crypto bitlord, coinmamba and blockchain boy, but when they start talking their coin talk I feel very much uneducated, will just have to learn tho! I gotta learn more about this macro environment and how to actually do TA, still very broad and overwhelming as of currently. Yeah I do avoid all the bait talk and dms, I’m new but not dumb thankfully, or at least I hope. Appreciate the reply nonetheless!

Lapollo

Appreciate the reply, At the moment I do have a small amount of both BTC and ETH. Is a solana and phantom wallet a hard wallet? Will I get that and get like a ledger or Trezor wallet on top of that? Might be a dumb question but what does it mean to play around and fool around? just send money back and forth? Would I not have to keep paying fees? And just lose money? Not too sure what DEX DeFi or even LP is but I’ll look into all those 3! Any recommendations on crypto twitter accounts, I know the likes of crypto bitlord, coinmamba and blockchain boy, but when they start talking their coin talk I feel very much uneducated, will just have to learn tho! I gotta learn more about this macro environment and how to actually do TA, still very broad and overwhelming as of currently. Yeah I do avoid all the bait talk and dms, I’m new but not dumb thankfully, or at least I hope. Appreciate the reply nonetheless!

tilac

Been in the space since October 2020. Not long, but long enough to learn a few things. Get some BTC and ETH. Any is better than zero. They will be the rudder that steers your ship during stormy seas. Get some Solana and Phantom wallet. All you need is $10 worth of SOL really. You can play around on Solana where transactions are a penny and swap it around on a DEX or fool around with DeFi. See how to add to an LP. It's a cheap place to learn how to do this stuff. Join Twitter or make an alt account for just crypto. Start following some crypto people. If they shill some crappy meme coin more than a few times a year, unfollow. You'll soon have a decent list talking about the macro environment (bigger picture) and technical analysis (TA) so you can see for yourself where the market is leaning or trending. A high follower count does not equal high quality. You find people that make sense to you because we are all on a different path. Watch some youtube videos. If they have a Top 10 Coins to 1000x video unfollow them. I can let this slide a few times if the rest of their videos include good information. Gotta get clicks somehow. Some youtubers run down the daily news in the first 10 minutes and often that's all you need to stay on top of what's going on. This sub is good during the quiet times such as now but not a lot of info being spread around. It becomes a shill zone when the market heats up and becomes almost useless. Delete any DM you get on Reddit, Twitter, email, or anywhere else. They don't want to help you, they are looking for people like you to scam. Double check links posted anywhere before you click them. You can Google it yourself or go to the official Twitter account and find a link in the bio. Buy and Hold. It's okay to sell it for something else or convert to cash. Avoid leverage trading for a while and probably forever. Good luck!

MarshAntony

Just as Rome wasn't built in a day, getting people to see that what $ODIE is building is not some flash-in-a-pan, but, a solid & safe project that is going to be a very, very big deal with everything that's in the works. From the different LP pools that are in development, the merch that's now starting to be delivered, the partnerships that have been announced & those that are still TO BE announced, #P2E games, Metaverse, Crosschain plans, #ODIE is going to way more than people even have any clue about yet. Meme with UTILITIES is an understatement. Laugh if you want, but, this will be the next #Shib. Ask yourself, why not? And at under $2M MC?? Fade Odie at your own risk.

cactitaste

Once ethereum starts moving, HOGE is going to blast off due to its strong LP. Compare the most recent ethereum run up with the Hoge run up in March

purplecowz

you just have to get in early and then be ready to move on. Go look at AERO LP staking rewards right now

Specsthinker

Hey everyone, greetings from the Yeat Fam! As one of the early presalers, I'm thrilled to extend a warm invitation to explore our community. Now, I get it, some may raise an eyebrow and think, "Here comes another shiller looking for quick gains." But hold up! Our dev team has taken proactive steps by implementing a maximum 1% contribution limit, ensuring the safety of your investments alongside our diamond-handed community. Need more convincing? Let me sweeten the deal. Presalers receive exclusive whitelist privileges for future projects with the team – a token of appreciation and a shield against jeeters among us looking to dump on your upcoming investment. But wait, there's more to fuel your FOMO! On launch day, our devs have been in talks with top marketing experts, priming us for #1 trending status on Dexscreener and securing Reddit trends. Check out our full marketing plan for the first hour of launch: * 100% LP Burn 🔥 * DexScreener Update + Ads 📈 * DexTools Update 🛠️ * MoonTok listing 🌙 * Double SOL Trending 📈📈 * Big Giveaways 🎁 * Airdrops \[check out X\] 💰 * 30+ free listings on marketplaces 🌐 * Daily raiding events ⚔️ With a remarkable 50x on their last project, the team has convinced me to stay for the long run. They've meticulously prepared the marketing plan, and I can't wait to see you all onboard soon. Ciao! 🚀

Trade_on_Moby

The Pay Less feature is based on Call spread (Long Call + Short Call) & Put spread (Long Put + Short Put). By receiving premiums from short options leg, users can lower the initial margin to bet on the specific direction of market. Also, the collateral for opening position decreases enormously, increasing the capital efficiency for traders and OLP(Options LP). 

Trade_on_Moby

Just because a trade is executed, it does not mean that the option price changes immediately. We collect data in real time and recalculate to provide the optimal price. Considering the scenario you mentioned, there are three main obstacles: First, even if a large position is opened, the option price does not change. Second, if such a large position significantly impacts the LP, the Risk Premium would increase, requiring the whale to pay a substantial Risk Premium cost. Third, the assets in the OLP pool for settlement are collateralized as soon as the option position is opened, making immediate withdrawal challenging at that moment. Regardless of that scenario, if a whale assumes the cost of the Risk Premium and opens a large one-sided position, we would hedge the risk to the OLP by opening an opposite position on another exchange.

Trade_on_Moby

Actually, Moby doesn't need any market makers because our SLE(Synchronized-Liquidity-Engine) is providing trading liquidity by opening the opposite positions of Traders' positions. For those mechanism, we are collecting liquidity based on Options LP(OLP) and users can earn high yields by providing liquidity to sOLP(Short-term OLP) or mOLP(Mid-term OLP)

Trade_on_Moby

It's a really good question, and it is a problem that most DeFi protocols have to solve. What we were trying to solve was simple - Allowing more users to trade options conveniently at better prices. In the case of DeFi, not only can users be onboarded more quickly in the sense that there is no separate KYC, but it is also a more liberal model compared to centralized exchanges - such as our SLE (Synchronized-Liquidity-Engine) Model. The reason to use Moby is more than just tight spreads. In addition to Options Trading, users can earn high profits by providing liquidity to OLP (Options LP). Currently, the APR of short-term OLP is over 110%. Lastly, Moby received a grant from the Arbitrum Foundation and audits from Hacken, Omniscia, and Pessimistic. To ensure users know that Moby is a legit project, we will continue operating the protocol through feature updates and various events.

Trade_on_Moby

The cetain portion of trading fee is distributed to OLP(Options LP) and liquidity providers can earn risk-hedged yields based on protocol's revenue. You can find more details about our protocol mechanism with the below docs! [https://docs.moby.trade/](https://docs.moby.trade/)

Trade_on_Moby

1. Moby’s OLP takes positions opposite those requested by traders, earning fees in the process. In this process, through the SLE (Synchronized Liquidity Engine) model to apply a calculated Risk Premium, it maintains position balance and effectively manages risk within the OLP, thereby stably preserving LP. Our pricing, which includes a Risk Premium, is meticulously calculated to offer the best rates across all options exchanges. Surprisingly, this price already includes the Risk Premium. Fees are typically based not on the strike price but on the underlying asset, a common practice in both futures and options exchanges. We too have set our fees according to this standard, ensuring that we offer the most cost-effective and fastest options purchasing compared to any other venue. Therefore, this aspect is hardly a disadvantage at present about platform. Moreover, we are considering further reducing the fees when purchasing spreads through our 'Pay Less' feature. We hope many crypto users will be able to use options just as they do with perpetual contracts (Perps). 2. To calculate the fair price of a tradable options position, Moby uses the Black-76 model, which assumes that the futures price of a given underlying asset follows a log-normal shape with constant sigma(volatility). The Black-76 formula is essentially similar to the Black-Scholes formula for pricing options, except that the spot price of the underlying asset is replaced by the discounted futures price. The reason Moby chose the Black-76 formula is as follows: - The challenge of pricing options on commodities stems from the non-randomness of many commodity prices’ evolution. Commodity prices experience significant fluctuations due to a range of external factors, dividend and market sentiment. - Therefore randomness assumed in stock price movements, which underpins the Black-Scholes (1973) models, does not hold for many commodities. Futures prices, unlike spot prices, do not show the non-random behavior, making them a more suitable candidate for Brownian motion modeling such as for pricing European options - This is why options pricing essentially uses the futures price and implied volatility of the underlying asset at Moby 3. For option settlements, we use a time-weighted index price, similar to conventional CEXs. The reason for using time-weighted pricing, as you may know, is to prevent price manipulation and extreme volatility. This approach requires accurate data feeding and computational capabilities, making it more complex but safer. 4. What's essential here is the ability to calculate Implied Volatility (IV) and reflect the market's expectations about prelisted assets. We possess the data processing capabilities and options pricing expertise necessary for this purpose. While it's easy to accommodate trades that don't execute in real-time within the order book, providing immediate liquidity for these orders is challenging. A separate liquidity pool will be established for trading these assets, and transactions will be conducted based on prices determined through a sophisticated mechanism. 5. Certainly. We plan to offer a wider range of strategies more conveniently, and we are also considering introducing a feature that allows users to purchase simulated positions directly from the Position Manager. Our long-term goal is to become the standard for on-chain options for institutional trading and structured products.

Trade_on_Moby

1. Moby’s OLP takes positions opposite those requested by traders, earning fees in the process. In this process, through the SLE (Synchronized Liquidity Engine) model to apply a calculated Risk Premium, it maintains position balance and effectively manages risk within the OLP, thereby stably preserving LP. Our pricing, which includes a Risk Premium, is meticulously calculated to offer the best rates across all options exchanges. Surprisingly, this price already includes the Risk Premium. Fees are typically based not on the strike price but on the underlying asset, a common practice in both futures and options exchanges. We too have set our fees according to this standard, ensuring that we offer the most cost-effective and fastest options purchasing compared to any other venue. Therefore, this aspect is hardly a disadvantage at present about platform. Moreover, we are considering further reducing the fees when purchasing spreads through our 'Pay Less' feature. We hope many crypto users will be able to use options just as they do with perpetual contracts (Perps). 2. To calculate the fair price of a tradable options position, Moby uses the Black-76 model, which assumes that the futures price of a given underlying asset follows a log-normal shape with constant sigma(volatility). The Black-76 formula is essentially similar to the Black-Scholes formula for pricing options, except that the spot price of the underlying asset is replaced by the discounted futures price. The reason Moby chose the Black-76 formula is as follows: - The challenge of pricing options on commodities stems from the non-randomness of many commodity prices’ evolution. Commodity prices experience significant fluctuations due to a range of external factors, dividend and market sentiment. - Therefore randomness assumed in stock price movements, which underpins the Black-Scholes (1973) models, does not hold for many commodities. Futures prices, unlike spot prices, do not show the non-random behavior, making them a more suitable candidate for Brownian motion modeling such as for pricing European options - This is why options pricing essentially uses the futures price and implied volatility of the underlying asset at Moby 3. For option settlements, we use a time-weighted index price, similar to conventional CEXs. The reason for using time-weighted pricing, as you may know, is to prevent price manipulation and extreme volatility. This approach requires accurate data feeding and computational capabilities, making it more complex but safer. 4. What's essential here is the ability to calculate Implied Volatility (IV) and reflect the market's expectations about prelisted assets. We possess the data processing capabilities and options pricing expertise necessary for this purpose. While it's easy to accommodate trades that don't execute in real-time within the order book, providing immediate liquidity for these orders is challenging. A separate liquidity pool will be established for trading these assets, and transactions will be conducted based on prices determined through a sophisticated mechanism. 5. Certainly. We plan to offer a wider range of strategies more conveniently, and we are also considering introducing a feature that allows users to purchase simulated positions directly from the Position Manager. Our long-term goal is to become the standard for on-chain options for institutional trading and structured products.

Trade_on_Moby

1. Moby offer differentiate values for Trader and Liquidity Provider Specifically for options trader, we provide narrowest spreads through innovative SLE(Syncronized Liquidity Engine) model, also top-tier UX/UI on par with platforms like Robinhood. Additionally, our 'Pay Less' feature demonstrates unparalleled capital efficiency compared to other protocols. This offers high APR returns for LP users at a lower risk. In essence, we are committed to delivering the best options trading environment. 2. As Moby is not a custodial service for options trading, users can manage their funds directly while conducting transactions on Moby. Once a wallet is connected and USDC is approved, users are free to start trading.

Trade_on_Moby

It's a really good question, and it is a problem that most DeFi protocols have to solve. What we were trying to solve was simple - Allowing more users to trade options conveniently at better prices. In the case of DeFi, not only can users be onboarded more quickly in the sense that there is no separate KYC, but it is also a more liberal model compared to centralized exchanges - such as our SLE (Synchronized-Liquidity-Engine) Model. The reason to use Moby is more than just tight spreads. In addition to Options Trading, users can earn high profits by providing liquidity to OLP (Options LP). Currently, the APR of short-term OLP is over 110%. Lastly, Moby received a grant from the Arbitrum Foundation and audits from Hacken, Omniscia, and Pessimistic. To ensure users know that Moby is a legit project, we will continue operating the protocol through feature updates and various events.

Trade_on_Moby

2. Moby offer differentiate values for Trader and Liquidity Provider Specifically for options trader, we provide narrowest spreads through innovative SLE(Syncronized Liquidity Engine) model, also top-tier UX/UI on par with platforms like Robinhood. Additionally, our 'Pay Less' feature demonstrates unparalleled capital efficiency compared to other protocols. This offers high APR returns for LP users at a lower risk. In essence, we are committed to delivering the best options trading environment. Why you dont use a platform that offers the best prices and the most convenience?

pmgrntmillionaire

Because some people have been suspicious, rightly so, I want to mention that the dev team is fully doxxed, LP is locked, over 1% of the supply has been burned, and YES we actually DO give to charity and Jaime Rogozinski IS actually the co-founder of this coin. This is not a rug by any means and if you DYOR you'd see that.

ShadowKnight324

I've been on your site love that you're transparent with how you present the functionality of your service. Now my questions: 1. How secure is your platform? From my understanding to use ITM options you need to provide liquidity to the LP but this can diminish the safety of using DeFi because you no longer hold the underlying in your wallet plus the option is limited to the exchange. 2. Would you consider tokenizing the options and making it possible to hold the contract in a private wallet? One of the problems I see with decentralized options platforms is the fact that you have to hold the contract on the site making it in a way centralized. Would my suggestion be even possible? 3. Could you elaborate on how you manage to get a grant from the Arbitrum Foundation? (Congratulations on the accomplished BTW) How did you manage to differentiate your platform from your competition? What is something unique to your Exchange? 4. Would you consider to also provide in the future options for other financial assets like equities/stocks or commodities like gold or oil?

yungassed

Its a dex (that seems pretty buggy imo) with an emissions token structure. Look what happens to basically every emissions token structure, it emits to zero. Its basically a game of musical chairs; whales come in to pump it up and hype it to the masses, token price will continue rise as long as whale LPs continue to hold, and once it reaches one persons target price, its a race to the exit and few will make it out in profit; The only people making money of this is the protocol from fees, and the LPs that get the majority of the emission tokens for free. They are banking on suckers to buy the coin for a moonshot as their exit liquidity. It costs them almost nothing in terms of their portfolio to create these dexs/emissions token besides marketing which they are masters at. NEVER BUY EMISSIONS TOKENS, if you wanna play the game without being an insider and think you can get out in time, only provide LP to farm

Not-Jaycee

Alien Base This is the second leading DEX on Base behind Aerodrome It's a microcap currently at 7.5m with over 55% TVL You can make your own cryptocurrency on it Staking and LP options are available The team has a time-locked contract with a 37 day warning to prevent rug pulls It has exploded since it's inception 3 weeks ago Not shilling, DYOR, high risk high reward play

Wayne

Some places, like Aerodome, will have a filter. However, any LP pair where at least one token may fluctuate a lot is a volatile LP. If both tokens are stable coins it is a stable pair. That's what I was taught at least. Stable pairs can still have IL, but it should be much less. The main risks with a stable LP are contract issues or a depeg of the stable coin. You won't make as much though. Be very careful with a LP that has two tokens which fluctuate a lot. IL will be much higher with those, but so are the potential gains.

gopster

Got it. How do you know whats a volatile LP?

Wayne

Yes, it's all in the background after depositing. There are risks, especially if you try to time prices or join a volatile LP. You risk more IL with a volatile LP.

Wayne

I have a decent about in a LP involving two stable coins (USDC/STAR) on Base. It auto-compounds and makes a couple of dollars a day right now. 🤷🏽 Nothing to retire on but it's much lower risk and grows faster than a regular bank account.

Wayne

I have a decent about in a LP involving two stable coins (USDC/STAR) on Base. It auto-compounds and makes a couple of dollars a day right now. 🤷🏽 Nothing to retire on but it's much lower risk and grows faster than a regular bank account.

Rus-T_Shackleford

I love DROP COIN on base, it's such a unique project. LP burned, contract renounced, dev is active on tg. The first million coin wallet was unlocked at 50k mcap and was found in Dallas, Texas The Dev took a flight to Las Vegas to drop the next wallet, never seen anything like it in crypto before.

Jsonrddt

Check out dropcoin on base, unique - not just a meme Dropcoinproject.com LP burned, contract renounced, dev is active on tg. The first million coin wallet was unlocked at 50k mcap and was found in Dallas, Texas The Dev took a flight to Las Vegas to drop the next wallet, never seen anything like it in crypto before I've got a stack, want to see it hit the 1m mcap+ Check out the tg: dropcoinproject1B https://preview.redd.it/u1or5btad5yc1.jpeg?width=897&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2b57533b9e08f49d87879afe093c7800db7cf65a

Zaitobu

The liquidity pool is very small relative to the MC and this in itself has little to do with upside potential. Volatility is wild with memes because one whale can cause a 10% price impact or more by eating loads of the LP in one transaction. This in turn creates lots of buying and selling opportunities and lots of volume. Plus, there is a lot of volume from MEV bots on 0% tax tokens.

Nitro489

It migrated from ETH and BSC to consolidate on Base, so the LP in each was taken out and moved across to the new contract and all holders were airdropped tokens on Base 1:1 to their then current holdings.  Now Pawth has been on Base just over a week and is ready to rocket in the renewed bull run coming up after BTC whales looking to accumulate for the ETF launches have filled their bags at $59k, then it’s moon time for projects like this one. 

btcangl

I would like to say Solana is the future but their devs do nothing to counter these guys being able to set up their rugs in the same block the acutal LP is provided in, so I am losing confidence in the Solana ecosystem. I guess the devs made so much money that they got lazy or dexscreener, rugcheck, jup and phantom and all that are in on it The only thing I am holding onto still is that on the L2s its even worse.

btcangl

I would like to say Solana is the future but their devs do nothing to counter these guys being able to set up their rugs in the same block the acutal LP is provided in, so I am losing confidence in the Solana ecosystem. I guess the devs made so much money that they got lazy or dexscreener, rugcheck, jup and phantom and all that are in on it

croholdr

bruh you gotta get all the neworks and learn how to bridge cheap to do arbitrauge. So you're missing: cronos, matic, arbitrum, opulence Personally I enjoy staking much more than holding anything, and then have 'liquid' assets in a lending platform for mostly tax purposes, or a stake boosted LP. I.E deposit staking earnings into lending and borrowing stable coins with it.

CointestMod

#DEX Con-Arguments Below is a DEX con-argument written by Nostalg33k. > # DEX: A contradiction to mass adoption. > > DEXes are a big part of the crypto economy, yet they have a lot of problems. I will present the main problems with dexes: The complexity of the legal ramifications, the liquidity problems and finally the lack of on-ramp system. > > # Introduction: > > Decentralized exchanges are systems allowing people to directly swap a cryptocurrency for another cryptocurrency. > > Main examples include PancakeSwap, SushiSwap, UniSwap and RcpSwap. These platforms mostly work through Liquidity providers (LP) and Yield Farming through transactions fees. > > While they can be usefull depending on your use of cryptocurrencies, they can also have issues which aren't going to be fixed anytime soon. > > ​ > > # 1) The obvious legal problems > > ​ > > There are obvious legal problems inherent to P2P trading. You don't know who will be using your P2P system. Since Dexes don't comply with KYC they can work with unlawful parties such as but not limited with sanctionned countries, organized crime, terrorists, hackers and your shady government officials. > > As a liquidity provider, are your lending your money to offer trading services? Are you offering banking services to people if you allow them to lend money to others. There are far reaching implications raised by Dexes. One can only wonder how long until they are regulated out of existence because they seem like the dark alley of the crypto space. > > ​ > > # 2) Liquidity providers, the true bag holding strategy. > > Liquidity providers are the key to the inner working of Dexes. In order to have enough tokens to allow trading, you need to have enough liquidity in both sides of the pair. Obviously you can use more complex paths (A token for B, B for C and C for D when the custommer wanted to do A to D) if there is no liquidity in a given pair. > > Liquidity providers can see a pool be drained of one side of the tokens and the other side can depreciate leaving people with massive losses. > > Lastly a pool can be drained because of an exploit. > > All these risks are faced solely by the liquidity providers. While CEXes are also vulnerable to exploits, they are more safely managed through assurance and reserves in multiple assets (non crypto assets) > > # 3) Dexes will never popularize enough. > > Dexes are a niche tool, yes they have a looooot of value locked in their liquidity pools BUT a lot of our tokens aren't really liquid (Spoiler: there is not a trillion dollars in crypto currencies, the market cap is far from reflecting the liquidity of our assets). I'd argue that their big numbers are a trap. They are actually incapable of becoming popular for the common man. > > Most people will not want to have to go through multiple plateforms to check prices and liquidity; they don't want to worry about slippage and they just want a smooth experience. > > While CEX are not protecting them from these problems, they allow for a smooth ride and for people without technical knowledge to buy and send cryptocurrencies. > > The lack of on-ramp to transform USD or EUR into crypto is the final nail in a sturdy coffin. > > ​ > > # Conclusion: DEXes are only good for power users. > > I'd argue that in this small essay I haven't provided reason to turn your back to Dexes. But the lack of simplicity means that the average investor may not need to know much about Dexes and can stay using CEX and their own wallet to really own their crypto (not your seed not your coins) > > If you have to use a DEX ask yourself, could you do the same in a CEX? If the answer is yes, then most people in your situation would prefer the simplicity of a CEX. ***** Would you like to learn more? Check out the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_DEX) to find submissions for other topics.

Lina_-_Sophia

best I can give is BTC-USDC LP

Somebody__Online

I’m loving my OVN farm. The OVN toke is from Overnight finance who make the USD+ stable coins. There is a LP for OVN/USD+ on aerodrom that pays 400% apr or something insane. I make like $200-$300 per day just from the reward APR

pimptee

Hey u/emmerScreen, We are glad that you like our new branding! Regarding your two questions: 1. ATM since CLAMM is based on top of UniswapV3 it incorporates the idea of SSOVs which were designed to be offer yield from premiums and staking on different protocols, we are currently working on adding longer timeframes for expirations on CLAMM. You should expect to see them very soon. 2. You got it right, its like deploying a new LP pair on a DEX, the only additional step required would be to provide an oracle for volatility to price the options (which in a new market can potentially be priced via Realized Volatility which is rather simple to setup). The basic requirements would be having a UniV3 or UniV3 fork pool, the oracle for volatility and pretty much the option market would be ready to be deployed. The future looks SYK indeed 🫡

witherblock_stryke

1. ATM since CLAMM is based on top of UniswapV3 it incorporates the idea of SSOVs which were designed to be offer yield from premiums and staking on different protocols, we are currently working on adding longer timeframes for expirations on CLAMM. You should expect to see them very soon. 2. You got it right, its like deploying a new LP pair on a DEX, the only additional step required would be to provide an oracle for volatility to price the options (which in a new market can potentially be priced via Realized Volatility which is rather simple to setup). The basic requirements would be having a UniV3 or UniV3 fork pool, the oracle for volatility and pretty much the option market would be ready to be deployed.

kingbanana777

Can you explain the process of integrating existing LP positions from Uniswap, PancakeSwap, and other DEXs into Stryke's platform?

Somebody__Online

Just got to the “Liquidity” tab on aerodrom. Add to the sFRAX/USD+ or any of the pools Then stake the liquidity, it will automatically ask you to do that after adding to the pool. You can also stake from the dashboard screen. That’s it. Just claim the AERO. it pays out every block for every like 10 seconds you earn some AERO. Every Wednesday the votes for the the LP rewards update so the pools can fluctuate in APR weekly.

emmerScreen

First of all congratulations on the transition to Stryke, I think that was a really wise choice to move forward. I have 2 Questions: 1. Folowing the depreciation of the SSOVs Options are there plans to continue a similar product by maybe implementing longer timeframes into CLAMM? Would be great to get a vision as to what happens next to CLAMM. 2. In the Discord I have read a lot about Permissionless CLAMMs. What would that look like? If I got it right one could launch a CLAMM pair for any token similar to deploying a new LP Pair on a DEX? If you could elaborate on that that would be amazing. Have a great Day, the Future looks SYK!