FRAX

HoldCtrlW

Tether, USDC, DAI, FRAX, TUSD

Somebody__Online

There’s several ways. Most simply you can use it as cash and trade your ETH and BTC back and forth with USDC while staying on the exchage entirely. This includes using GMX or other platforms to trade with leverage on these assets. The other way is to use stable coins in liquidity pools to farm yields. There are tons of stable coins out there like USDC, USDT, DAI, USD+, USDbC, FRAX, DOLA, crvUSD… and so on. Many exchanges pay top dollar for liquidity pairs like USDC/FRAX or some other combination of tokens. I supply liquidity to those pools and then earn a pretty substantial rewards yield on top of the trade fees I’m earning. Stable coins can also be used to earn yield through bonds by using tokens like sDAI, sFRAX or the like. There’s lots of options in crypto to trade with only usd exposure

Somebody__Online

Vesting terms for voting rights on dexes like Curve and Velodrome and Aerodrome or projects like FRAX finance and Stake DAO are all 4years. Not only 4 years long but a linear divesting term so your stake yield and voting rights diminish as the unlock gets closer. A 4year lock earns 100% yield and a 2 year lock only 50% of that. It’s brutal if your actually looking to unstake

Somebody__Online

No amount of analysis will be able to predict the future. You can be right 100x and wrong 1x and still not see profits if your not a managing your risk appropriately. Personally I like the more passive approach. Like right now on Base chain there is LP yield at about 90% Apr on stable coins like USDC/FRAX and by adding $100 to a pool like that your $100 is unlikely to ever go down but your also being payed about $90 a year in exchange rewards. I take the rewards and invest those into more risky positions but the principal is all in stable coins and cash exposed assets

Somebody__Online

Sure I can help you understand. At its core crypto is just a distributed ledger. It’s a list of transactions that are organized chronologically and everyone’s version of this list updates wherever any legitimate transaction is made. Almost like a shared google doc but no one can make fake updates unless everyone agrees to add them. Crypto tokens are units that can be transacted on this ledger. That’s pretty much it. The tokens can represent a whole lot of things, from money to voting right in an exchange to just ownership of a monkey jpg. There’s tokens like USDC, DAI, FRAX, and USDT that track with $1 and are always worth $1 per tokens. There’s tokens like Bitcoin which are just digital units on a publicly maintained ledger. There is only 21million of them total so their value proposition comes from its verifiable scarcity in the supply and demand game. ETH is a utility token that lets you pay for the execution of programmed actions directly on its blockchain. That can be making a trade, creating a token, sending a token, creating liquidity positions, ect. You can invest into crypto by buying BTC and ETH tokens and having exposure to their price action but you can also buy USDC or other dollar backed assets and not be exposed to the price moves of crypto assets. You can use these tokens to participate in DeFi. You can supply to liquidity pools that facilitate trading or you can supply to money markets that earn interest from collateralized loans on the blockchain with no middle men. There’s a lot you can do from simple trading of tokens up to market making leveraged derivative markets. It’s all part of crypto

Ok-Western-5799

I'd say you Hold or try to DCA if you wish to be careful. Bitcoin halving is coming soon and if the FUD doesn't persist, I belive we will have a major rally and alts will rise again. I have BONUS, LINK, FET, and FRAX. These tokens are still holding fair.

phallicpunch

Circle’s USDC is fully backed by US dollar assets. The kinda assets the US Gmint uses to fund all kinds of WTFs, military dominance, & general biggest dick ballstrap support. A good portion of all other stables are partially or mostly backed by guess what…USDC. I’ve used stuff like DAI, FRAX & eUSD for Defi activities but never just straight hold large sums just for holding; although there are some risk ops for doing so. Even if everyone says don’t hold on CEX I do on CB because the interest I generate is more than enough to cover the CB ONE subscription & still churn funding for DCA. If CB goes under or if USDC depegs indefinitely then the whole crypto market is probably fukd & I will share massive losses with all of you together. Not saying you should only “use” USDC I am saying the risk level is exponentially lower for holding USDC given the backing & oversight on it.

mchaud

This is the table described in the article: Dai (DAI) 4 (constrained) First Digital USD (FDUSD) 4 (constrained) Frax (FRAX) 5 (weak) Gemini dollar (GUSD) 2 (strong) Pax Dollar (USDP) 2 (strong) Tether (USDT) 4 (constrained) TrueUSD (TUSD) 5 (weak) USD Coin (USDC) 2 (strong)

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Frax Finance has resolved a domain hijacking incident, assuring users that no funds were compromised. The decentralized cross-chain protocol warned users not to use the frax.finance and frax.com domains until further notice. The exact nature of the breach remains unclear, but the website currently loads the authentic Frax user interface. Frax Finance is working to resolve the issue before resuming normal operations. DNS hijacking is a growing concern in the crypto space, with previous incidents affecting other platforms. Frax Finance is a decentralized protocol that provides stability and decentralization through its fractional-algorithmic stablecoin, FRAX. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

wayfarer8888

Question: is USDC any better? Do you think one of the basket coins like DAI, MIM or FRAX are safer alternatives? I personally like PAXG which is backed by real audited gold reserves, but it's only on Ethereum L1 (maybe Arbitrum One, but I couldn't verify the contract and liquidity is probably an issue).

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; FRAX has launched a staking vault called sFRAX to tap into the hike in Treasury yields caused by the Federal Reserve's interest rate increase. Users can deposit sFRAX and receive a 10% yield, which will then shrink to around 5.4% to match the Fed's current IORB rate. FRAX aims to track interest rates to ensure its stablecoin remains relevant and is seen as real dollars. The launch of sFRAX is part of FRAX's efforts to deploy new products and stay competitive in the stablecoin market. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.

wayfarer8888

So that makes them solid? It's a collapse just waiting to happen. They sell you IOUs which could risk less make 3-5% returns in government bonds and be overcollaterized and Tether would still reap a huge profit (easily 2 billion per year). But that's not what's happening. I hope people phase out of this B.S. coin, we just got lucky so far. We also got lucky on Luna, that is until we didn't. There's a few stabiles I'd trust, honestly I like PAXG which is backed by gold and also the new PayPalUSD which is managed by Paxos as well. I am certain there's more. I usually avoid Tether and rather use DAI, MIM or FRAX for short term swaps or bridging.

wayfarer8888

There's an EU legislation called MiCA that makes all stable coins at least temporarily illegal. I am unsure how DAI, MIM or FRAX kind of DAO coins are impacted, they cannot just open an office in an EU country but maybe they are out of scope. It seems MiCA is written is another legislation written by bureaucrats with very limited understanding how things really work. "Binance plans to delist stablecoins in Europe, citing MiCA compliance" https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-delist-stablecoins-in-europe-mica-compliance

klanh

>?? If you have a way to make a strong project without a dev team, that's impressive :P By avoided I meant at the time, as in being delayed until the project generates revenue. >This is possible, but I doubt it comes to pass. There's room for plenty of positive projects. Sure, like there's plenty of search engines. Most of which have almost no market share and act more like augments/pet projects to the company's actual business, this is the path FRAX took. A strong ideological product could maybe fight Lido for market share, but RP is already trending down. Peaked at 7.3% but mere months later is down to 6%. Maybe there's something in the pipeline that will reverse the trend once again, if not then a lot of very ideological people are going to be losing bunch of money for "doing the right thing" all thanks to RPL. Oh well...

Somebody__Online

Are you unfamiliar with FRAX it’s like top 55 biggest market cap in all of crypto

Somebody__Online

These debt backed ones like DOLA there is partially backed ones like FRAX there’s delta neutral farm backed ones like USD+ there’s bogus backed ones like BUSD (on BSC) What do you mean “the three” ways lol

wayfarer8888

I'd prefer people use DAI, MIM or FRAX instead of supporting an opaque organization with a shady audit history.

DAMG808

FRAX is there a while now, since 2019.... as first fractional-algorithmic stablecoin system. We know what happened to Luna so i hope this will do well in the future.

milonuttigrain

So many strange coins I never heard of currently on top 50. TON, MNT, APT, WBT, FRAX 😶

Beechbone22

1 - FRAX's FPIS 2 - Gitcoin passport for humanity score, Cred protocol for decentralized credit score 3 - Idena, BAT? 4 - Millions of different launchpads, DAO Maker is the most successful example probably 5 - no idea 6 - Tons and tons of privacy initiatives based on ZK rollups 7 - There are tons of on chain CLOB exchange implementations, none are successful so far, mainly due to technical limitations and insufficient liquidity 8 - Way too many to count, nothing actually good or fun 9 - Ondo, Realio, Tangible, MakerDAO, apparently Frax next and tons and tons of other RWA protocols 10 - Probably a good thing it's not built Thank you bald man

conceiv3d-in-lib3rty

And what about DAI or FRAX? Both are decentralized stablecoins. You’d think these would get more love than they do.

GBR2021

No worries, redditors surely use trustless stables such as DAI and FRAX, right? Right?

Beechbone22

Really, those are the stables you think of? Not for example DAI, FRAX or LUSD?

DMugre

Another good CDP protocol, also, Ethos Reserve and FRAX.

Logical_Lemming

I split it 3 ways between Lido, Rocketpool, and FRAX. If there's a smart contract vulnerability I'll be 33% screwed, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

etj103007

Sure, I can try. Some of the pools you are currently in have similar pools which offer higher APY. BUSD-USDT on Pancakeswap yields around 13% right now. FRAX-USDC on Uniswap Arbitrum is at 130%, though thats just because the pool is small. Bridges are a nice and safe way to earn, just make sure they are trusted because you do NOT want an Allbridge incident to occur. If you can catch them, some platforms offer large rewards for a short period of time. Curve on Avalanche had their 3CRV stablecoin pool earning triple-digit APY for a week or something. Personally, I used to yield-farm the heck out of stablecoins that earn yield, like USDR. You could mint it with USDC and then get 40% APY for a relatively safe investment. I know some other ones, but I don't really trust them to put money into them. I know there are some looping protocols that allow you to borrow like 5x and farm with that. Don't know how safe or sustainable those are. As always, higher yield is possible but only through higher risk.

Justin534

I just swapped it back for FRAX. When I have something like this going it's really not in my interest to hold USDC. In the event of a USDC depeg I can get my supply out and make a return buying USDC for less than a dollar. If I hold USDC I cant do that.

Justin534

I dont think so becuase to release the current FRAX supply I only have to repay about 117 USDC. I don't actually need to unwind anything to get the supply out.

Justin534

I think what he's saying is to release my FRAX supply I just need to pay about $117 USDC. I don't need to withdraw/swap/repay/repeat to get the supply released

YuntHunter

FPI is exactly this. Part of the FRAX ecosystems.

torpidtrotter

It did dip a little bit. Not even USDC, but DAI, FRAX, Gemini Dollar, USDD, FRAX and even BUSD deviated a little.

marsangelo

The % backing by USDC is pretty significant considering FRAX is also backed by USDC (lol)

Smooth-Complaint-353

USD Digital (USDD), a stablecoin issued by Tron, and fractional-algorithmic stablecoin Frax (FRAX) shared a similar fate due to adverse market sentiments. USDD responded to the USDC sell-off with a nearly 7.5% drop to trade at $0.925, while FRAX dipped even further to $0.885

Smooth-Complaint-353

Curve supports liquidity pools for major stablecoins, such as USDC, Tether (USDT), Frax (FRAX), Dai (DAI) and TrueUSD (TUSD). Fear, doubt, and uncertainty have spread across crypto markets during the last few hours, resulting in unbalanced pools in the DeFi platform due to a sell-off of USDC, leading the major stablecoin price to fall below its $1 peg

Yieldseeker88

No reason aside from panic. Only USDT is holding to $1. All the other stables are currently off their pegs. BUSD is only mildly impacted - about 0.5% right now. DAI, GUSD, USDP, FRAX and TUSD are all worse. Some of this is due to being partially backed by USDC (DAI) and the rest due to general fear of the stability of banking partners for stablecoin reserves.

Playful_Aide8142

Contagion: >USDC: 0.91 >DAI: 0.93 >BUSD: 0.995 >FRAX: 0.92 >USDP: 0.96 >USDD: 0.94 >TUSD: 0.992 >GUSD: 0.96 Only TETHER left standing....

Crypto_in_uranus

I mean, If you really want to buy here, I would rather buy GUSD or USDP here. They are much safer than USDC. Also, why is FRAX down?

getupforwhat

why the hell is FRAX depegging?

Cheesebaron

Looks like DAI, FRAX, Pax Dollar, USDD, Gemini Dollar and many more are also feeling the run.

alfonsegangitano

Hey there, it’s me from the future! USDC is currently trading at .88, Dai at .90, FRAX .89, LUSD .94, USDP .97, USDD .93, MIM .88, sUSD .96 & MAI .91 It’s not fine. The largest stables have all depegged except Tether.

MichaelAischmann

This stable coin depeg is spreading like wildfire. (USDD, USDP, FRAX, DAI, USDC) Did I forget any?

SoNotYou

Sale! Rounded upwards USDC $0.89 DAI $0.91 FRAX $0.90 USDP $0.94 GUSD $0.97 LUSD $0.95 USDX $0.84 MIM $0.89

cjgervasi12

FRAX

Bauer24

100% of my stablecoin deposits are in USDC, thinking of splitting into USDT/BUSD/FRAX/SUSD/USDC/DAI

DMCarter_

No, it didn't. u/AESTHTK posted disinformation articles about DJED before, was corrected, and continues to spread disinformation (I guess that's crypto-cult mentality for you lol). How all overcollateralized stablecoins (DAI, FRAX, MIM, DJED, etc) work is that they can't truly depeg unless the reserve ratio is under 100%. Look at other stablecoins which fluctuated in the past (esp. early on in their life). Want to know why they never stayed "depegged"? It was because they were all overcollateralized.

DMCarter_

Being overcollateralized by over 500% sounds pretty stable to me. It being backed by crypto doesn't change that. Other crypto-backed stablecoins have fluctuated in the past (DAI, FRAX, MIM, LUSD, sUSD) and have still maintained their peg. You know why? Because they are all overcollateralized.

Chysce

Lido DAO (LDO) Rocket Pool (RPL) Frax (FRAX) Ankr Network (ANKR) Tranches (CHESS) SSV Network (SSV) Yearn Finance (YFI)  Maker DAO (MKR) aka writer's bags

Sylerb

90% - the SEC will unleash its biggest to-date war on crypto, labeling every crypto a security apart from BTC. People will revolut against CBDCs being shoved down their throats and go for algorithmic stables like $FRAX. Dexes will be the new de-facto exchanges and govs will have a much harder time banning crypto as effectively as they used to. 50% - Ethereum will overpower bitcoin and become the dominant cryptocurreny over the evm-chain coins and tokens( AVAX, Matic, Arbi , OP, LRC and their tokens). All other cryptos will still follow btc movements though. 10% - I will breakeven from my 2021 losses

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The DeFi stablecoin protocol's DAO, Frax Finance, has voted to fully collateralize the native FRAX stablecoin, a step towards retiring the algorithmic backing of the protocol. The proposal was presented to the community by DAO admin Hameed about nine days ago. The DAO will gradually remove the algorithm while increasing the target collateral ratio to 100%. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR. Get more of today's trending news [here](https://coinfeeds.substack.com).*

lourkeur

I have not kept up closely with Frax. Does it mean the OG FRAX basically becomes wrapped USDC? Is it being retired?

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; The community of decentralized finance stablecoin protocol Frax Finance has voted to fully collateralize its native stablecoin Frax (FRAX). The move marks an end to the algorithmic backing of the protocol. FRAX is the industry’s fifth-largest stablecoin with a market capitalization of over $1 billion. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR. Get more of today's trending news [here](https://coinfeeds.substack.com).*

DMCarter_

>That's not true at all. The reserve ratio influences the market value, but ultimately the market value is what it's worth, so it actually means everything. As I said, the market value comes from its price from exchanges, and these exchanges have low liquidity due to DJED not even being a month old and only having ~3 million in circulation. On an exchange, it can be less or more than one dollar, but if you redeem your DJED for ADA directly, you will get the dollar equivalent in ADA, minus fees of course. So what I said is true. If DJED on an exchange is worth less or more than a dollar, you can burn in through the smart contract. Market value is just through exchanges, while the reserves ratio shows how much the stablecoin is backed. Every stablecoin with backing has gone through massive price swings, but if you can redeem your stablecoin for dollars (or dollar value of cryptocurrencies), then it's not really depegged, since you can get your money back 1:1. >100% objectively it is depegged as long as the market value does not equal the targetted value. You can get the target value for redeeming directly. If the stablecoin price on an exchange is not $1, then just redeem it directly to get $1. This has been the case for *every* collateralized stablecoin, especially early on in their history; look at DAI, LUSD, sUSD, FRAX, and MIM for some examples of overcollateralized stablecoins fluctuating but still being just fine. As I said, market value doesn't mean anything compared to reserve ratio, and this is because reserve ratio shows how truly backed and redeemable the stablecoin is. >DJED isn't really in trouble, but then again it hasn't been battle-tested, but your reasoning is way off base. I know DJED hasn't been battle-tested, but that's a different discussion. "My reasoning" is just researching how other stablecoins were in the past, and it is pretty clear the reserve ratio is the only important thing because it's how you are able to get back the dollar (or dollar equivalent) money from the reserves.

dopef123

I think it's possible FRAX will be king sometime soon. It's one of the only stablecoins that I think can survive basically any regulation. And won't collapse. I thought about investing in it previously but it's looking like a much better bet now.

Sylerb

What do you think about $FRAX stablecoin though? It isn't that popular + algorithmic, but might be a good temporary solution..

xangchi

Apart from Uniswap, I have never heard about the other projects you mentioned. So far we have seen AI narrative, liquid staking derivative, and recently Layer 2. These and other narratives are going to influence the best bull run. For AI, I'm keeping an eye on FET and OCEAN. Liquid staking derivative - FRAX and LIDO. Layer 2s - MATIC and CTSI are my picks.

randomFrenchDeadbeat

The core of this rugpull waiting to happen is the FRAX/USDT LP that has 24% APY and the reward is in SDL. Every other token there is a way to hide this. This is an exit strategy for FRAX token holders that want USDC. You WILL lose all your money. Dont promote that shitcoin.

DMugre

From your DJED link: >This is unlike a typical algorithmic stablecoin that uses endogenous collateral, such as: FRAX FRAX is 92% collateral, 8% algorithmic. From that 92% collateral, +60% comes from the FRAX base pool on Curve, so FRAX, DAI, USDC and USDT. I wouldn't precisely call that "endogenous" at all lmao.

LethalExiles

You've never heard of DAI & FRAX? Seriously?

DMCarter_

>Because blacklisting is the only think that matters It's not the only thing that matters, but it is a big deal. Most of Ethereum's DeFi uses centralized tokens, and these tokens are centralized because of customizability. Even "decentralized" stablecoins like DAI and FRAX are backed by centralized stablecoins. >Minswap and muesliswap are centralized "DEXs" Not sure why you're resulting to whataboutism, but yes, those two (as well as SundaeSwap and WingRiders) are all centralized. I've called this out on r/Cardano multiple times, and I can link you some examples if you'd like. Some of them, just like you, ignore what I say. You're just as close-minded as the Cardano fanboys you despise so much.

milonuttigrain

As of now there are 39 cryptos with market cap greater than $1B Rank 39th is FRAX, a stablecoin with market cap $1.022B

philmoreau

I split between FRAX, DAI and USDC.

MochiJump

DAI (and some other algo coins like FRAX) are backed mostly by USDC anyway.

MochiJump

Okay, I'll admit that not all algo coins have blown up yet, FRAX is probably the best example of that. And I'm glad you're not trying to convince me that algo coins aren't dangerous. That said, from my point of view, I think that the idea of an algo coin is much too dangerous to justify its usage and promotion without a giant history lesson. This is further compounded by the fact that naive people think that because it is a "stable coin" that it is less dangerous. Personally, I'm still not convinced that there isn't a fundamental flaw in all true algo coins though. I'm not sure any synthetic pegging even in traditional finance works. This is a pretty stark difference to someone claiming that all crypto will fail because some did imo.

MochiJump

Iron Finance was another copy of FRAX that blew up. DAI is mostly backed by USDC, which is essentially just fiat once removed. We've already dropped \~4x from the peak. So a 400% over collateral would be falling apart right now. Algo stable coins are dangerous with little upside imo.

DMCarter_

Many of them have been working for years: FRAX, LUSD, sUSD, SigUSD, and DAI are crypto backed stablecoins. UST is the most infamous algo stablecoin that never had any backing, unlike many other "algo" stablecoins. I'm not saying crypto-backed stablecoins are immune from collapse, but it is clear overcollateralized crypto-backed stablecoins are the way to go in order to stop using centralized fiat-backed stablecoins.

DMugre

Yes and no, Blackrock backs USDC, as far at that goes that makes it pretty hard for it to fail with limitless liquidity supporting it. Those protocols also represent a huge source of demand for USDC, meaning that if at some point Circle became malicious, targeting these DAOs would hinder themselves as the demand for USDC goes up in smoke. Though, I do get your point, FRAX DR for example is currently around 12.9%, pretty low for being DAO governed.

DMugre

But what if, and hear me out, you don't buy permissioned stablecoins and instead bought fully decentralized ones such as DAI, FRAX or MAI?

DMugre

Stablecoins are a huge part of what makes the crypto market viable for a lot of us third worlders, having a way to save on dollars when we have restricted access to currency exchange, criminal fiscal policy and fraudulent monetary policy is why a huge number of us go into the crypto market everyday. With that being said, I don't feel the slightest sympathy for Tether, I very much prefer the model of actually decentralized stablecoins such as DAI or FRAX.

DMugre

You just described the entire financial system though. There's a reason the average stock P/E ratio is 16, you're paying **16 times** the amount of earnings you'd get for your share of the company. Gold? Why is gold valuable even to this day? Because it doesn't debase as much as the dollar? Doesn't BTC do exactly that? Aaaand, finally, selling for more than you bought isn't *the only way to profit from crypto*. You get LP comissions, DEX emissions, Revenue sharing, it's an actual fucking industry with cashflows and revenue accrual now, you should do a bit of research. DeFi protocols that are profitable are highly sought after because their business model is viable and generates income. Things like AAVE, Curve, Uniswap, Maker DAO, FRAX, Beefy, QI, all take a cut from every trade, every deposit, every token pair, and holding the token allows users to get a share of that distributed to them, hence why those tokens have demand. It's exactly like stock, but decentralized.

Somebody__Online

I like Curve and selling veCRV voting rights biweekly. Look into the liquid staking options built buy stake DAO. It’s a very solid front end for some of the best established DeFi protocols out there. Curve, Banlacer, FRAX, ANGLE and several others all in one front end.

Buy_More_Bitcoin

It all depends on which stablecoin you refer to. There are a variety of mechanisms to go about it. [Here is a video just to get you started](https://youtu.be/HldRfcmiQnQ) rest assured, the rabbithole goes much deeper than this. My personal assement is to using DAI issued by makerDAO is currently the most secured option in defi. As for other more experimental things the list is rather long, I don't have all the information here but will share a few: [RAI](https://thedefiant.io/earn-and-learn-with-vitaliks-favorite-stablecoin-rai) appears to be interesting and worth looking into, something I have not yet done myself. [Ohm](https://www.olympusdao.finance/) is not exactly what one would call a stablecoin but something one should have on their radar in my opinion. Further more there are the usual suspects, such as tether and usdc. Those are fine to use on centralized platforms but I wouldn't bet the farm on them. FRAX also is doing some interesting things which go beyond the scope of this comment. I haven't answered your question directly but provided some resources which can guide you to an answer. I hope it may be helpful. To wrap things up, [here you'll find an extensive list of available coins and tokens categorized as stablecoin](https://www.coingecko.com/nl/categories/stablecoins) Best of luck on your journey sir

DMugre

>The system of backing has been basically exploited, taking into account we were facing a major bear run/crash/dump Bro, there wasn't enough liquidity circulating to take a massive bank run, that's nobody's fault but the Protocol's dev. It had absolutely nothing to do with DiScLoSiNg YoUr HoLdInGs. It also had no business being 100% algorithmic, that only works in a constant uptrend, but whenever a breakdown shits the bed your **WHOLE NETWORK'S GAS TOKEN TANKS**. They should have started backing it up a long time before they did with that BTC backing drowning slaps. Had they properly supplied the Curve pool with enough exit liquidity and partially backed the things with a basket of assets (a la FRAX) this wouldn't have ever happened to the degree it ended up happening, sure, LUNA would have tanked still, but not to the point of incontrolable inflation and death. (Though some stupid motherfuckers still trade LUNC so yeah) Matter of fact, go check out FRAX, it's UST but done well on Ethereum.

PreviousExample

Actually, there was a decent plan. They formed 4pool which intertwined UST, USDC, FRAX and USDT and, with deep enough liquidity, this was supposed to help hold UST peg. Also, TFG bought a lot of BTC that was supposed to be used to exchange 1 UST for $1 (by selling $1 worth of BTC) as a last resort. The main problem was, they let UST get too big too soon. In my opinion, it was never supposed to be listed on major CEXs until they had all of these mechanisms in place and until they figured out how to make Anchor sustainable. If they didn't get really loud and greedy and took enough time to put all of things in place, I think UST would still be alive now. People don't realize how close Terra was to making it. Luckily, it fell apart and we got rid of an overconfident egomaniac that was willing to leverage entire crypto space just to keep Terra alive. Do Kwon and Lunatics really needed the humble juice they got.

Raikaru

Why are you including FRAX but not USDC/DAI/USDT/BUSD?

BakedPotato840

Something's not right about this table though... LEO, EVMOS, PAXG, TUSD and FRAX all have values over 1 million. Surely I'm misinterpreting this somehow

Somebody__Online

You can invest into protocols that have a useful product and who’s tokens value is sustained by the success of that product. CRV tokens for example are the governance and reward distribution asset for curve protocol. Their owners may vested escrow stake those tokens to get access to their voting rights and their cut of performance fees from the product. The product itself for Curve is an exchange that allows for high volume swaps between similar assets despite limited liquidity. You can use the curve protocol to move between USDC, USDT, DAI, FRAX, UST, and may other stable coins with very low price impact. (The price per trade is not limited to the 2 asset price curve that is standard for a 2 asset v2 style liquidity pool, hence the name curve) The token distinction of new CRV assets goes to the liquidity providers who supply to the pools that are incentivized to revive CRV rewards. Those incentives are voted on by the vested escrowed stakers. For other tokens out there, having the ability to deepen available liquidity by offering incentives not in your own native token but in CRV through and incentivized gauge while exposing your asset to the deep liquidity of curve is valuable so the CRV token voting rights are worth paying for. On top of all that, all the trading activities on curve generate an income from fees. That income is turned into 3CRV (USDT, USDC, and DAI in a pool) and those 3CRV are then payed to the vested escrowed stakers proportional to their share of the total stake. Like dividends in a share of stock. Not only do tokens have their own products, those products produce revenue and that revenue can be shared with token holders to give the tokens a value beyond speculation on future price. There’s billions of usd worth of liquidity supplied to curve and hundreds of millions in volume generating income for the protocol token owners. CRV is just one example of many DeFi protocols that have tokenomics that capture value for their assets and make holding and participating in these protocols a lucrative proposition.

Cheshire-Daydream

MKR FRAX Abra All the money markets are they securities?

arcrenciel

To be fair, it was more or less possible for Celsius to pay the interest rates they did on stablecoins, taking very low risks. It's just that their profits would be very minimal, and it would barely be worth the effort for them. Even now, it's possible to "safely" get yields of \~10% to 20% on stablecoins, on defi platforms. Your main risk is usually the defi contract getting hacked and drained. The source of your profits, are degens buying the defi platforms' coins, as that's what the interest is paid out in. You don't have to worry about repayment, as you didn't lend out your money. You're just providing a valuable swapping service between USDC <--> USDT for example, and they pay you with the defi platform's coins, that you sell for more stablecoins. The key to stablecoin farming on defi, is: 1. Check what coins are in the LP. Stay away from any stablecoins that are not fully collaterallised. USDC/DAI/USDT are generally safe. MIM/FRAX is a bit riskier, but still okay. Anything else is high risk territory, and demands at least 30% APR. Make sure you do your homework to find out how the $1 peg is held, and what situations could break it. 2. Do not buy the platform's coin. It's a farm coin, so traeat it like one. Sell the ones you farm as soon as gas fees makes sense to do so. The ponzi in this case, is the platform coin itself. The people buying the coins are the suckers. They pay everyone else's profits. Do not be the sucker. It's only in very rare cases that a farm coin actually solidifies and goes up in value. 3. If the platform is new and unproven, chances of a rug is high. You put your stablecoins in, and a "hacker", who is secretly a team member, drains all the funds in the contract a few days later. Do your research.

douglaslagos

I haven't researched FRAX that much, so can't say much about them. What I have done is change my investment strategy of setting aside my rewards into hard-cash-backed stablecoins. Still not 100% downturn safeguard, but I'm staying away from algo stablecoins. Learned my lesson with UST. Best safeguard would always be to sell to fiat, but then that makes you put your money back into a centralized company. I'm not against CEXs. I send my fiat from my bank, or Paypal, to Coinbase, or FTX, or Binance. Buy coins, then transfer them to my self-custody wallets. &#x200B; I keep stablecoins to make it easier, and faster to buy additional coins when a large dip happens.

jb_blah

It was a shame for the crypto community in general. Getting beat down more in a market downturn. I would like to know how UST compares to FRAX - which I believe is another algo.

ReeceyReeceReece

FRAX and new stables/stable experiments Digital ID's and Jack Dorsey's web 5, more stuff built on bitcoin Everyone is saying interoperability - cosmos and polkadot will go to war for market dominance Solana comeback - Solana phones and then hilarious and unforseen issues with said phones New wave of meme coins and comebacks for old ones - more people will tell me they won't invest in crypto because Elon Musk controls the price Sports and gaming NFTs - Chiliz and Enjin etc

yanwoo

Yes, exactly. If you're in the crypto space, it's risk management chops you need to develop. All stablecoins have risks, and if you have the need to store fiat pegged value in crypto, you need to understand attributes of the options and the risks. And ofc, you don't need to store all in one coin. You can spread your risk (but ofc be weary of contagion risk and dependencies i.e. DAI is largely backed with USDC as is FRAX)

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Harmony's Horizon bridge was exploited last week for $100 million in various tokens including FRAX, FXS, wETH, wBTC, AAVE, SUSHI, USDT, and BUSD. The attacker is sending 100 ETH to Tornado Cash every six minutes. The hacker has already mixed more than $12 million through the privacy-enabling protocol. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

NorthernLightss

LUNA / UST seemed like a an obvious ponzi to me, I'm not sure how do many people invested in it. A stable coin backed by... Their governance token?? That's s no from me. There are some actually cool projects like FRAX, MAI and RAI that are actually innovative and cosñterkzed - in the case of RAI it is backed only by ETH and is not legged to the dollar, but made to be a decentralized stablecoin that does not need to rely on a third party holding cash in a bank.

Least-Courage-7610

Nah we got USDC, FRAX and DAI

diomediocre

Are you actually interested in going through the redemption process or do you just have a bunch of stables you wanna go to USD asap on? 1. Tether doesn't redeem for small scale clients as far as I'm aware, they're main issuers are Bitfinex and FTX who then disseminate it through the rest of the market. I think they've got like a 100k minimum for redemption and potentially KYC so only whales/exchanges actually go through the process. 2. Any exchange with a direct Circle hookup should be able to do it, CB is probably best as they're pretty well connected to each other. 3. BUSD is Binance's backed coin. I've gotta imagine either Binance or Binance US can do a direct cashout if you want. Other stables are often connected to exchanges/centralized entities (USDP, GUSD) who should be legally liable to country compatible residents to redeem, DeFi projects with smart contract redemption to unlock collateral (FRAX, FEI, DAI, MIM), or are non-fiat based wrappers like BitGo for WBTC.

therealdivs1210

In case of LUNA, it wasn't obvious. Anchor was generating revenue (around 3%-6%), and the 20% rewards were made to look like VC-funded incentives for early adopters. There were plans to reduce the yield over time and make it sustainable. They were also buying "reserves" to back up the peg in case of a depeg event (why those reserves were in volatile assets rather than USD was def a red flag). UST had become the third largest stable, and there were ~$40B in the ecosystem, which made it seem like it was trustworthy and too big to fail. Big names like Novogratz and CZ were invested in it. Expectation was that during a bear market, more people would go into stables (UST) and stake for 20% returns. (a bank run happened instead) Other algo stables like IRON and FRAX had survived depeg events, and UST had also survived the May 2021 crash and the Wonderland fiasco. UST being much bigger felt like it could survive further crashes too.

Awhodothey

The problem with DAI is that it's collateralized with USDC and ETH. Using USDC as collateral defeats the entire purpose and crypto collateralized stables simply aren't a great idea. It's quite easy to imagine a scenario where DAI's collateral becomes worth a fraction of the DAI in circulation. Even a 10x collateralization rate really isn't safe enough for hundreds of billions and eventually trillions of dollars. Any crypto price can collapse temporarily. It's smarter to rely on a market mechanic and focus on preventing bank runs from ever starting than to use collateral. And Luna was not the same problem as Titan at all (which was a FRAX fork that suspiciously had vulnerabilities that FRAX didn't). In fact, Luna's collapse was partially caused by its module burn limit.

therealdivs1210

You are clearly brain dead. I never claimed to be a “specialist” - you pulled it out of your ass. I knew about UST and its pegging mechanism and had a look at other smaller algo stables like IRON and FRAX that had survived major depegging events. UST being much bigger seemed to be more secure. That, and all the othere reserves they were building. I knew the risk and put only my profits there. Feels bad to have lost money, and I’m back to being super risk-averse at the moment, but I’m still in the green since I got into crypto last year. You should take your head out of your ass and smell the fresh air and look around for some time.

coinfeeds-bot

tldr; Frax Finance is an on-chain protocol that mints and manages the FRAX stablecoin. Found in the sweet spot between fully-collateralized and uncollateralized stablecoins, it is the first decentralized stablecoin that utilizes a dynamically adjusting collateral ratio to successfully maintain peg stability. *This summary is auto generated by a bot and not meant to replace reading the original article. As always, DYOR.*

Raikaru

FRAX is backed by 3pool tokens not USDC

buttJunky

it's become a proxy for USDC so it's not the greatest example. Same with FRAX. curious about dpxUSD which is launching soon (this month) but a fully decentralized algo-stable coin is still a mythological being atm

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Raikaru

The difference is FRAX owns most of the FRAX liquidity meaning there isn't enough outside FRAX to be sold to knock it off peg.

DMugre

Yo, why don't people mention FRAX that much? I mean, that thing keeps pegged even though there's a bear market going on and it being similar to UST functionally.

UcharsiU

>Confidently wrong - that’s what you are. Ok. I've got few words describing what you are but I'll keep it to myself. >UST was NOT a collateralized coin, it was an algorithmic coin. LUNA was NOT used as a collateral for it, but burned or minted to keep the peg. UST and luna were just good example i provided so maybe even most stubborn mined could grasp the idea of what us wrong with calling something backed when it isn't. Collateralized is not backed either due to natural volatility of the asset and general definition. >Algo stables are known to have a death spiral vulnerability. IRON and FRAX and DEI are other examples of algo stables. >DAI and MIM are examples of overcollateralized stables. Nicely unnecessary lecture but at least you make an effort. >USDC and BUSD are collateralized stables with collateral being actual dollars. Not fully, not proven and that makes it unbacked. >Go read a bit before you go around acting like a smartass. I'm much smarter than you. Go buy some Luna.

therealdivs1210

Confidently wrong - that’s what you are. UST was NOT a collateralized coin, it was an algorithmic coin. LUNA was NOT used as a collateral for it, but burned or minted to keep rhe peg. Algo stables are known to have a death spiral vulnerability. IRON and FRAX and DEI are other examples of algo stables. DAI and MIM are examples of overcollateralized stables. USDC and BUSD are collateralized stables with collateral being actual dollars. Go read a bit before you ho around acting like a smartass.

therealdivs1210

Honestly it’s weird that UST crashed so hard. I looked at other algo stables before putting money in UST. Mach smaller coins like FRAX and IRON survived catastrophic depeg events. UST was much higher market cap - #3 stablecoin! It was blessed by the likes of CZ and Novogratz. It had a great ecosystem with Mirror Protocol, Spectrum Protocol, Aperture Finance, White Whale, etc. They were collecting other reserves to back it up - mostly BTC. It still blows my mind that it’s still so badly depegged.

therealdivs1210

I have put all my UST holdings in my Terra Wallet. That makes me eligible for the airdrop, right? Still hoping I can salvage some value from my “stables”. 😫 Lower marketcap algo stables like FRAX and IRON regained peg over time, but UST looks like shit despite backing by large VCs and people like CZ and Novogratz.

therealdivs1210

I had pulled all of my money from Anchor after the wonderland debacle. Was staking a lot of my stables on Binance - mostly BUSD - for a good 10%, and the rest in DeFi pools. Then Binance launched UST staking for > 20%, and greed took over. 🤦 Honestly, I had seen smaller marketcap algo stables like FRAX and IRON regain peg so I thought UST with a multi billion MC and billion dollar investments by Mike Novogratz and CZ would make it more stable. Fuck me for thinking that. 😭