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Lets post some lesser known tickers we dont see on reddit for fresh discussion
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Is it worth getting into AN, DE, WM, RSG for the very long term? What percentage of my portfolio should include them?
Learnings from 10 yrs of Wall St. experience: Know how sectors > drive stocks and valuation!
Know how sectors > drive stocks and valuation!
Why TTM income statement differs from annual IS?
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Things that continue no matter what...waste removal (WM, RSG), funerals (SCI, CSV), toilet paper and the like (KMB, CHD, etc...), and also consider that gold tends to do well as people seek liquidity (GLD, PHYS, SII, FCFS, etc...).
I assume he means stocks that have a non-negligible dividend and/or proven track record of reliable compounding long term returns rather than high beta cyclicals and risky/speculative growth stocks etc. My portfolio is anchored by large positions in V, RSG, MSFT, UNH. All are in the green today but sadly underperforming index YoY lol. I am waiting for the great rotation out of AI stocks 😂
CBRE🟢 WFC 🟢 RSG🟢 ABT 🟢 CTAS🟢 IR🟢 MDT🟢 SSNC🟢. Munch munch munch 🦧🍿
$RSG has been very good to me this week
Still holding $RSG, that confirmation candle today looking amazing
$RSG looks good, just closed on a hammer candle today
Beautiful hammer candle on $RSG signalling bullish reversal
I have had similar issue with a very similar portfolio. I thought it would be great to diversify with things like RSG and Visa, both rock solid compounder stocks but have been underperforming significantly the last year. However, the market always goes in cycles and right now tech is pumping. Once it cools off other sectors like industrial and Financials will be rotated in. Financials is one of the most neglected / undervalued areas of the market right now compared to historical valuations.
Honestly the market is full of opportunities right now. Im super bullish on oil, BNO for easy exposure. AAL puts are super cheap if you want a proxy, bought 60DTE 15puts for 1.75, with the stock trading at 13.90ish. Lots of software is beaten down to the point of being excellent value picks. ADBE, WDAY are two of my favourites. Accenture is also beaten down, but I have not yet decided if its a good pick. Might be worth a look, though. Some safe things Im liking right now are: RSG, WM, VIE (french), EOAN (german). They are all providing services to municipalties, etc. RSG and WM and waste management, VIE is more water focused, EON is energy. Good dividends, solid growth. Boring but good value picks. I dont mid SGOV either, with rate hikes on the horizon and inflation rising steeply.
They are pretty much oligopolies with a high barrier to entry for competitors. RSG and WM do better in recessions. Buy in is always at a premium but its one of those stocks you look at 5 years down the road and glad you bought in.
so much flooding that garbage will strat piling up, WM, RSG forgot i have the dumpster goblin title on here too
I have WCN in my portfolio and to be honest it is down 7% since I bought in. Worst performing stock in my portfolio and I am heavily concentrated in it. Waste collection is not cyclical but some parts of their revenue stream is such as renewable energy credits, construction and demolition, and E&P. The biggest loss from WM would be the recycling prices per tonne and construction and demolition waste as the economy isn’t the best. Oil has been spiking due to the Middle East war and that affects their fleet trucks and while the Trump administration isn’t helping either with renewable energy credits (OBB bill tax/credit cuts). With that said, E&P revenue stream would help during oil surges but WM is not heavily invested in E&P waste as much as WCN and they’re usually laggers in data. Competition is currently between the big 4 (WM, RSG, WCN, and GFL). They all compete and bid for contracts (except WCN, they’re specialized in rural/urban areas with less competition) which actually lowers pricing power and margins. They’re all aiming for mid single digits top end growth this year and thru the next few compared to double digit growth in the past. They’re basically going through revaluation this year by voluntarily lowering top line and to focus on bottom line (EPS). The main think for these companies is EPS and FCF growth. I haven’t done my research on WM, but for WCN, they’re projecting 6% revenue growth but double digit EPS and FCF growth for full FY of 2026. Personally, I picked WCN because of their specialization in urban and rural areas and their modest M&A such as their adaptation to E&P acquisitions in Western Canada as oil is booming. These reasons are why WCN has the highest margins. The only downside side is the Chiquita landfill closure and the cost for the next decade. Even though it’ll cost roughly $100m-$150m annually for this landfill, it only affects a small percentile of their FCF. If you are a long term investor and once that is over in the next decade, FCF will spike.
I did not realize Waste Management (WM) was down and will consider it again soon. In that Sector, I like WM the best. I like Clean Harbors (CLH) a very specialty hazardous waste disposal company, great disposal facilities, etc. too but I like WM better. I do like Republic Services (RSG) because of their strength in landfills. Regarding your question I think these are slower growth stocks that pay a dividend and they are in an industry that is difficult for new businesses to enter. Thus an advantage. There will always be a need for residential, business and hazardous waste disposal.
I have WM in my portfolio and it has been a staple for the past 5 years, was absolutely wonderful to see it stay flat or even slightly in the green in 2022 while everything else was getting destroyed. It’s not a cyclical sector. There is of course the very basic “trash is always getting produced and needs to be picked up” argument. But another thing you need to consider is landfill scarcity. There is limited landfill space and our production of waste isn’t slowing down. Companies like WM and RSG own A LOT of the non-muni owned landfill real estate in North America (in the U.S. especially). Also regarding your disappointment at how it’s been performing recently, don’t even worry about it. This is just sector rotation, we’re in a very risk-on market right now with the semi trade still being hot. You will be very grateful to have a stake in this sector when we inevitably experience another risk-off period.
Personally, I tend to focus a lot of themes and then it's the best ideas within that theme. If that narrative/theme gets very popular/does very well very quickly, then eventually the portion that includes that theme is reduced/removed and that's re-allocated to other themes or a new theme. I don't know that there's 5 year growth holdings in what the market has become post covid. If you get the narrative right, things can do so well in 6-12-18 mo that it becomes increasingly prudent to start taking profit/move on. Whatever's popular becomes such a pile-on in a way that it wasn't before. I've owned NVDA for several years primarily because I thought Jensen was the best CEO in tech but even that has been trimmed some. To me, 5+ year holdings in this market are like, WM/RSG.
Waste Management is one of the most recession proof stocks that exist, with one of the strongest moats. Together with RSG they own more than half of the U.S. landfill capacity. Unfortunately it's not exactly a secret, so the stock usually trades at a decent premium. DCA into it is not a bad idea.
I'd maybe more RSG than WM but either good.
And that is why I bought trash stocks. WM and RSG baby.
Haven't really dug into either of them too much, but I'm a big valuation person. Like, at the end of the day, you are buying a piece of a business. To me, WM just seems more on the expensive end of things. Like the PEG is 2.5, P/FCF is 33. Forward PE is still at like 28. So you paying a bit of a premium for a great company. Not the worst thing, but just you aren't really buying "low". Republic Services is more expensive based off those as well. PEG is 3.69, Forward PE is like 30, and P/FCF is like 28. [https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/rsg/statistics/](https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/rsg/statistics/) [https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/wm/statistics/](https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/wm/statistics/) If I had to pick one of the two, even though it's more expensive, RSG has better things I like in companies. Like RSG has better ROIC and tiny bit better margin. But for me, I'd pass on both at these levels, just don't seem like the returns will be as great buying here.
Last time this was asked on here was about 7 years ago: Waste Management or Republic Services? I'm curious on what your thoughts on trash are in these times. Do you think WM or RSG is a better company to hold for long? I am looking to invest in one of these. Thanks in advance for sharing
I'm up decently for the year. In the past with declines like this (not the market broadly, but some particular names) I'd be more intently looking around, but this time I've just nibbled on a few things. "AI stocks have been crushed, " The same mega cap tech stocks that became overly owned/turned into habitual/default buying despite some of them not doing that great in recent years (some of the Mag 7 have become Bag 7/Lag 7) are down but there's a lot of things that have had a great year. Look at memory, or optics/photonics. AI continues to be a story of invest in where the money is being spent and people keep on wanting to invest in who's spending. AMZN is up 32% in the last 5 years, MCD is +35%, JNJ is +49%, KO +46%. MSFT is up 52% in the last 5 years. You could have done better in garbage with WM (+82%) or RSG (+123%.) This was true before the recent decline, as well - some Mag 7 names just haven't performed well in recent years. Jassy hasn't been a great replacement for Bezos and as for Bezos, how many huge blocks of shares did he dump every time it hit $200 for a while? "but these are the times to buy, when everything looks so bleak...." The S&P is down 4%. There are parts of the market that have certainly fared worse, but we got to what, a 10% decline off the top? That used to be viewed as relatively common and healthy, now it's treated as apocalyptic.
Everyone will be still dumping garbage 30 years from now, 300 years from now. WM, RSG if you are patient.
RSG’s growth is slowing. WM has a higher dividend yield with good growth. It has more landfills than RSG. Their larger scale allows them to save costs. They expect to grow free cash flow by 30% this year, which likely explains why they just raised their dividend by 15%. They continue to cut costs with automation and plan to continue doing more of that in the future.
I already have both V and MA, I've been on the fence about RSG and WM for too long.
Why either or, I Just bought both, in Terms of RSG/WM and V/MA.
I've been on the fence about RSG vs WM for a while now. Which one to buy. Good stock finding thread, I think these sorts of companies get overlooked. I personally feel like V and MA fit into the same mold. Their moats are insane, the supposed threats to their business models by crypto, stable coins, or government regulation are IMO completely overstated. And whatever sort of uncertainty or churn happens in the financial sector....V and MA will continue to collect revenue.
WM and RSG, both have doubled in value over 5 years. Trash removal will always be in business.
I bought it at 216 awhile ago. I bought some RSG as well. I see them around here as much as WM. Bullish on trash stocks for sure.
So far WM, RSG, XHB, XLI, and USO have been a good buy so far.
May I ask why you prefer RSG over WM?
Would just caution with stocks viewed as "safe" that they can still be overly expensive and not act like safe stocks if something happens to cause a re-rating. WMT trading at 42x earnings can go on for a while and maybe get more expensive but for many years it traded in the 20's/30's. COST trading not that far from the p/e it traded at in the dot com era. I'd rather RSG than WM.
I own both WM and RSG. Long term SWAN stocks. On five year charts they both beat the market.
Bought LIN, CHTR, RSG & AJG
Yeah the RSG and WM name drops were a dead giveaway lmao
Nothing is guaranteed but I’d look into garbage and waste management stocks like RSG and WM. There will always be garbage, there are fewer landfills, margins are projected to increase. Bill Gates is the largest shareholder of both RSG and WM.
Healthcare, some REITs, WM, RSG, BRKB are down. Pretty much all my defensive stocks that went up last week.
Portfolio down 3% this morning and still down 3% end of day. At least I got good entry prices for Uber and RDDT. Hedging with RSG, WM, BRKB, Healthcare and REIT stocks in the past week helped a lot. Currently around 85% Tech stocks/Tech dominant ETFs and 15% defensive.
Quite crazy how much low beta stocks have declined. Even waste management stocks like RSG down -20%.
Bought RSG and WM yesterday. Looks like a good move. Everything else in my portfolio is deep red premarket except REITs.
Anyone buying trash companies like RSG?
RSG is certainly AI-proof. "Will NVIDA keep giving at least 20% annual returns like it historically has done for the past 10 years" I've owned NVDA for years - for the company to get back to my cost basis it would have to be in financial trouble. It's been a particularly amazing stock for the last few years, but before that I sat through more than one 50%+ drawdown. You had close to a 40% drawdown earlier this year. It's currently a 4.5T company. Do I think it will continue to be a good company? Yes. Do I think it will repeat this run and become a 9T company? No. Too many people think the market of the last 5 years can continue indefinitely and everyone is all-in on the same stocks. I trimmed a bit of NVDA last year, trimmed a bit more this year. Do well while this unusually fantastic period for investing continues but I just think people shouldn't get too into the mindset that the escalator up goes to the moon. Twice in the last 5 years (2022, 2025) people gave a lot of the fantastic gains from the prior two years back in a hurry and how many people sold at some point in those declines and didn't buy back, or wound up buying back higher eventually? "dividend ETF" I don't think you should go with a dividend etf either. IMO, create a diversified portfolio that has a portion devoted to aggressive growth themes/names, but don't make it every single stock that everyone else has. Find 1-2 things that are the next thing. That's a portion of your portfolio and if it's a portion of your portfolio then it forces you to be selective rather than buying every growth stock that sounds interesting. Take the other portion of your portfolio and find high quality/slow growth (preferably buying when the names are oversold/temporarily out of favor) and maybe a value idea or two. This portion of your portfolio is the foundation - steady, high quality, well-managed companies that have delivered year in/year out for years. Not something as conservative as KO, but to use the example of RSG, something like that. SPGI, AXP, CBOE, MA, JPM, etc. etc (not necessarily those but something along those lines.) These are probably not going to be that exciting, but when the market turns, you're going to likely lose less here. The lowered volatility of this side of your portfolio offsets to some degree the likely higher volatility of the other side. When the market isn't "growth stocks only go up", you'll be happy that you have at least some buffer rather than a portfolio full of highly speculative growth names that are going to lose half the next time there's a 2022 or early 2025. You're talking about the very long-term (which is good! too many people have turned too ultra short-term with investing) and I think what I'm trying to suggest is how do you create something broadly that you can stick with through good times and bad (and there will absolutely be other bad market times in the years ahead.)
$RSG and $WM has outperformed the SP500 the last decade, when all else fails, garbage is there to pick you up.
What's next? Republic Services (RSG) to make deal with OpenAI, so we'll have AI-powered dumpsters 😒
OP if it makes you feel any better I lost 90% of my wealth in 2008-2009. I was in high school and saved $13k from selling candy and having part time jobs. I invested into two stocks ACAS - American Capital Strategies a mezzanine financing company that lended money to various small/midsized businesses (roughly $10-$100 million in assets) and based out of Bethesda Maryland and EXM - Excel Maritime Carriers a dry bulk ocean shipping company based out of Greece (the country). Both proceeded to shit the bed. You have to diversify and buy lots of different companies. Maybe try buying SPY. If not you have to start investing for the long term into some safer companies like: CAT, CSX, ORCL, BX, MCD. Here are a few more: MSFT, XOM, PEP, BK, and RSG. Good luck, you can recover from your losses. If nothing else, just buy SPY (the entire S&P 500), and never sell, no matter what. Set it to dividend reinvest.
V,RSG,ORLY but all trading at a premium rn.
RSG and WM still green. Great defensive stocks.
Not OP but that flood of cash into defensives (WM, RSG, UNH for example) and into gold and silver last minute before the long weekend tells me something fucky is about
If NVDA does well on their earnings, probably. It would be if it can hold it that is the issue. Their high debt load in a time of uneasiness would keep making it drop any time the market is spooked by the AI bubble popping. If you believe in sector rotation correlated to the market cycle, then this stock will lose a lot of institutional investors who would flock to financials, utilities, and things like WM/RSG.
Thanks. Maybe I'm too early to reduce, maybe I'm wrong, etc but I think post-covid, the market has changed. A theme like AI infrastructure plays out faster than it would have previously. What is hot gets hotter quicker than ever and overheats more frequently than ever and what's cold gets colder than ever before - cheap now gets much cheaper. The lack of focus on valuation during the "stocks only go up" periods also makes it feel like there's far less friction behind a rise - you get almost a smooth escalator for hot growth stocks, not a "stair step" higher. When markets do well enough for long enough, people often eventually get complacent and go 100% risk-on. When the turn happens, so many people are already "dialed to 11" so their only option is to de-risk. "Escalator up" (2020-21, 2023-24, 2025 post April low) then "elevator down (2022, early 2025.) The elevator down isn't something of the magnitude of 2008 by any means, but it does feel a lot more 'puke-y" than corrections of the past and the declines aren't across the board. Some things did very well in early 2025 when a lot of popular growth cratered, some things (energy, for example) did well in 2022. Recent significant declines have not been across the board. In terms of AI, there are names I bought or added to in April that I'm already trimming. Many people are all in or all out, but with something thematic like AI infrastructure, for me it's optimally get in early (there was a point in early 2023 when I'd mention something like VST on r/stocks and the response would be crickets, because at that point people were only interested in tech plays on AI, not power ones), enjoy a good run, eventually trim after the easy money has been made (once you start to see ETFs made for a theme, it's not over but it's no longer early) and continue on with a smaller holding at a low cost basis. I've owned NVDA for years and have sold a bit in the last year or so and am keeping the remainder at a cost basis where the company would have to be in financial trouble to get back there. The easy money has been made imo, but the story is not over. Trim here, trim there, reduction there and the sum of all that is eventually re-deployed to whatever I think is the next theme or, if a compelling one isn't apparent and/or other current themes in the portfolio aren't things I want to currently add further to, that money is often then re-deployed into quality/consistency/slower but not totally boring (something like RSG would be an example.)
RSG’s revenue growth is slowing down. WM’s is actually increasing until at least 2027 (according to their investor day presentation).
Actually, I remembered this wrong. I thought RSG had a lower variance (or IV) but they are both similarly low with RSG showing an IV of 20 and WM 19. WM is the largest waste management provider in the US, Republic Services (RSG) is second. Over the past 5 years, WM returned 105%, RSG returned 160%. I’m holding neither of these so no idea what the outlook is. If you look at a graph, both seem to perform well in inflationary periods, too. I recommend doing thorough research on both companies if you’re interested in this kind of stock.
Don't know too much about either. Are you suggesting RSG for it's price variance?
In this department, RSG appears to be the much better stock. Much higher return while maintaining lower variance over the past 5 years.
RSG, ABBV, WMT Fund-wise BRW (Saba Capital Income & Opportunities Fund) is an interesting CEF that has done pretty well since Saba Capital took it over and changed the fund entirely in 2021. It lost 4% in 2022 when the market was tanking and lost comparatively less than the market when the market was tanking in 2025, yet has also done pretty well when the market has.
". I know this may not be a huge amount" A lot of people post on here about "I know it's not a lot" - in my opinion even if you start with $100 in the market, it's $100 that you didn't have working for you yesterday. $8K is definitely a good place to start. "What stocks (or sectors) would you consider “safe” or reliable for someone with a long-term investment mindset? An appealing safer area to me is something like garbage (RSG, WCN, WM, GFL, etc) - a lot of regulatory barriers, highly necessary, isn't going to get disrupted anytime soon and has pricing power (and has certainly shown that over time.) But even something relatively safe like that can be expensively valued at times and while it's safe, it's not entirely recession proof (if a lot of businesses close in a recession or are shut down in something like 2020, that volume isn't there.) So to me that's an example of "relatively safe" - the kind of thing that consistently delivers over long periods, can raise prices with inflation and isn't going to get disrupted any time soon but isn't *so* safe that it's like watching paint dry. Someone could make a portfolio that puts a lot of emphasis on slower/quality growth and some emphasis on a carefully selected aggressive growth name or two so that you can feel you can have some participation in those growth themes if they keep continuing higher over time.
been rollin in RSG for years it's time to shine baby
BWXT and RSG earning coming up on the next few days!! Both are strong energy/nuclear outperforming the market! Strong opportunity for secure 5-10% growth. https://preview.redd.it/73k65xf388gf1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53440c088cb94624f3a5ec9fd4fbabcc08bec616
Remember when you could trade RSG for btc back in the day 🤫🤫😅
Not a bad choice but the much better stock is RSG.
I feel good about GLD at a.under 50 purchase price I also feel WM & RSG are hidden gems in my books
Pretty easy to outperform the S&P 500, if you buy at the right time, and don't panic sell. Some Individual stocks are a lot more volatile so you'll see a lot more up and down. Personally for individual stocks I like PM, RSG, AMZN, GOOG. I bought a lot of Tesla when it was down the other day and panic sold, if I would have held it for a few days I would have been up 5%
Put it in there, you're going to get 4% from spaxx anyway. Then youll have cash available so can purchase lump sums on down days if you want, but it will likely increase over time. Maybe look into some other things instead of the S&P. Garbage industry is doing great right now. RSG 25% annual returns
Trash companies perform well over time , look at WM, WCN, RSG etc. Do your own research though
Sounds like you're doing really well for someone your age, don't jump on to high value type stocks, look for stuff that has good returns over the years not just spikes. Check out RSG (garbage) 25% return yearly
I'm definitely new but doing really well this year, I've been checking the S&P on my buy days (Wed/Thursday) I see which stocks are down that day, I look at the graphs and I see if the company is super volatile or if it looks healthy (RSG, AMZN. For example) then I'll buy as much as I have in my account, I wait for a decent return, then I sell and reinvest the money elsewhere. As of right now I don't want to continue buying index funds with the amount of volatility in the market, they're basically just stagnant and will be for the foreseeable future. If I can get an 11% return and a month instead of a year I'm happy with that. YMMV
Walmart (WMT), John Deere (DE), Republic Services INC (RSG), Procter and Gamble (PG), Microsoft (MSFT).
Fire your planner, he's robbing you. Open a Fidelity account , link your bank and buy some FXAIX(0$ transaction fees, low expense ratio), while it sits in cash you'll make 4% either way.. also look into some healthy growth stocks like RSG (Republic services,)
Some people are getting recession yippy. Bonds (TLT/IEF) are outperforming the SPY/QQQ. Recession defensive stocks (WM, RSG, LMT, KO, DPZ, DG) are all pretty damn green
Looks like some whales are getting a little more defensive. Bonds (TLT/IEF) are outperforming the SPY/QQQ. Recession defensive stocks (WM, RSG, LMT, KO, DPZ, DG) are all greener than SPY while many growth stocks are in the red.
All the recession defensive stocks in my watchlist are on the top of it today (DG, LMT, KO, WM, RSG, DPZ)
Yeah, the big brain plays can be so hit and miss. They just teach us humility and why diversifying is important lol. What I’ve learned is healthcare is not my sector. Every time I’ve tried anything health care related, it takes too long to go green or get a nice profit. A few times have been quick profits like the BDX and ZBH recoveries after their earnings. Others are like UNH. I have better luck with financials, tech, utilities, and consumer staples right now. Yesterday’s surge I saw most of my defensive holdings drop a lot so people could make quick tech plays it looked like. So I picked up more RSG, WM, AWK, SO, and DUK. If they go down lower after all the reports we get this week, I’ll buy some more. But I’m expecting a switch back to defensive stocks going up if any of these reports cause investors to become bearish. I personally think today was a bull trap and we will hit a bear market if store shelves start emptying out nation wide.
Buy some RSG as trash never goes out of style.
Or RSG, both will continue to chug.
I've said lately that I think there's a good chance the playbook that people relied upon for the last dozen or so years (mega cap tech: "collect 'em all", etc) will not be able to be relied upon to the same degree in the years ahead. Just gets downvoted. Reddit has become a much worse place for investing discussion since covid - there was always a focus on a dozen or two popular names, but that's gotten worse and anyone who offers anything slightly contrary to the broader view is just downvoted and there's often no discussion. "now that the strategy isn't working anymore with increased political uncertainty and volatility" During the late 90's tons of money piled into the US chasing the dot com boom. Post dot com bust, money headed back the other way and you saw the dollar index go from 120 in 2002 to 70 in 2008. Since 2020, you've had money pile into the US chasing first the disruptive growth bubble and then AI. I think the AI theme clearly started to erode (Stargate announcement in January feels like it was the top for the data center theme) and money gradually headed in the other direction, then that was massively accelerated by the tariff situation. There are things doing well this year, but they are domestic names with pricing power and generally sturdy/boring businesses - look at RSG up 22%. You had different leadership in the market post dot com and I think the foreseeable future might be some variation on that.
RSG doing much better actually last few years. not sure why
There are stocks doing well, but they're just not the stocks that have done well for the last dozen years. Look at the garbage names, RSG up 20% YTD. MCK up 20%. CME/CBOE/ICE up YTD as volatility beneficiaries. I've said lately on here - not going to be a popular opinion - it feels like we're heading into (if not already in) an environment where what did well post dot com (2002-2007) might be the place to be for the foreseeable future unless something materially changes. You saw the dollar index go from around 120 to 70 in 2002-2008 post dot com as a lot of the money that went into the US during the late 1990's reversed after the dot com bust. Now we're getting into a situation where the AI theme is faltering and on top of that, the tariff situation is sending money elsewhere. The dollar index has gone from 110 to 99 YTD and I think that's creating forced selling by foreign investors who have the double whammy of a tanking index and a tanking dollar. The tariff situation is terrible, but even before that there was commentary from Bessent about the economy needing a detox (Summer of 2024, he thought the economy was in more precarious shape then people realized) and then recently, his "Mag 7 problem" comment. Not saying I share these views, but it does feel like the administration even before tariffs felt that - for some reason - it needed to pre-emptively pop what it viewed as a bubble. That started a little bit before tariffs, but the tariff situation imo massively accelerated it in a way that was disorderly. People unwound a lot of US assets in the years post dot com, but in an orderly way. I think that there is certainly something to AI, but IMO it has become clear that it is not yet translating to results for a lot of companies. I often use the Adobe example, with them calling out $125M in AI-related ARR last quarter - that's not really moving the needle and even if that doubled, it's still not. We had a period where it felt like every week there was some new massive data center investment announcement that was bigger than the previous one. When did that stop? The giant Stargate announcement in January, which was the top. San Fran Fed, 2003: "From mid-1995 to its peak in early 2002, the trade-weighted nominal dollar appreciated by nearly 40% against a basket of major currencies. Since then, the dollar has retraced more than half of the earlier gains. A falling dollar suggests that foreign investors are unwinding some of their dollar-denominated portfolio holdings in order to seek higher returns elsewhere. While a weaker dollar helps stimulate U.S. exports, it can hurt growth in foreign countries that sell goods to the U.S. If a rapid, disorderly depreciation of the dollar were to occur, foreign investors would likely demand higher risk premiums for holding dollar-denominated assets. This development, in turn, could lead to lower stock prices and higher bond yields, thereby slowing the growth of domestic demand." (https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/economic-letter/2003/06/growth-in-the-post-bubble-economy/)
Definitively, the best positions to hold indefinitely would have to be an index, ETFs/mutual funds. Individual stakes solely? I would prefer to hold something that’s essential to daily living + functionality (a business that’s so simple, as Warren Buffett puts it, an idiot could run it. Because as some point things will be ran by one). Those businesses in my portfolio would be $WM, $RSG, __ , (or something with similar operations)… $TPL, $VIST, __ , (or something within physical assets such as land or oil) Do your own research, as this is not to be taken as recommendations — just transparent DD I’ve done recently that I care to mention.
Follow the big boys…RSG and WM are tariff proof. I’m personally looking to add to NVDA, SPYI and SCHD. Also confident GOOG and AMZN will come roaring back but I’m already set with them. Good times ahead.
Garbage companies. Try RSG or WM. These are recession, tariff proof companies.
I don't blame you but there are still winners right now. WPM, RSG, BRO, BJ, AJG, AZO, ORLY, GDX, IAU, OLLI Gold mining and insurance in particular.
WMT x 3, RSG, MSFT, BRK.B, GE (Aerospace), JPM, XOM, NVDA
WCN and RSG are great stocks with plenty of room to grow. I DCA as they can and will experience periods of volatility.
Currently, the only green on my 30+ stock watch list that covers several industries are the "recession-proof" stocks (WM, RSG, KO)
Full disclosure, I have literally only looked at yahoo finance charts, but trash/waste management companies seemed to not have completely collapsed through the 2008 hullabaloo (WM, RSG, WCN, etc.). The waste management business is interesting because they sort of operate as regional monopolies. As far as I know, Cities/governments generally contract with one company to handle things. That's another thing, businesses is predictable because they operate on contracts for x amount of years. Lastly, it does not matter what the economy is doing, there will always be trash that needs disposed of.
WMT, BRK/B, KO, PG, RSG. If you want me to dive deeper into why. All have preformed well even in bear markets and have also been around a long time with showing that being consistent is more important than rapid growth that can’t be sustained. Also these 5 stocks can hit important parts of peoples daily lives meaning the chances of them going anywhere would be slimmer then lets say a tech company. Backtesting 10 years and equal weight would have have given me better returns than the S&P 500 not by very much at only 2% averaged annually Return a year but with higher gains less of a drawdown and less volatility that would be the way I would go for individual stocks.
just pulled down their latest 10k. RSG's dbt/equity dropping/better and WM is getting much worse from what I see RSG 2023: 198% | 2024: 184% WM 2023: 376% | 2024: 440% I'm not good enough quite honestly to understand anything else, i.e. truly dig deeper into their numbers or whatever. But this could be it. WM has twice the debt/equity ratio and they are going into more debt. RSG is going the other way. On a different note, a couple years ago I checked a bunch of reits. Their fwd yields actually tracked with the debt/equity ratios!! Not sure if that holds true, but this one statistic is pretty powerful. I learned it from reading Peter Lynch's book...
Same! Right there with you - I own both and, right now I'm kind of contemplating switching it all to RSG lol
I only picked up on RSG about a couple of weeks ago and was wondering the same thing. The only basic things I saw was RSG's debt/equity ratio was better/lower. Its market cap is also a bit smaller, right now. So maybe it had an easier time growing?? So, not really sure...
Made over 100k during the dot com era in college…had about $125k from mere $10k and thought I was the shit. Was gonna just quit school and trade stocks full time. Obviously, it blew up and lost it all. It was many many many sleepless nights needless to say. I quit the market cold turkey…not paying attention to the financials. Of course I had zero dollar to my name so that helped. Came back in 2005 and was doing good until the 2008 wipe…. Instead of doing options, I started just buying shares of companies that I could still see kicking and screaming, like Visa, American Express, garbage company RSG and just gradually gravitated towards more stable company and eventually to ETF like VOO and QQQM. I now have a 7 figure investment account looking towards 8 figures in few years, even with the recent market crash. Point is….it sucks like bitch. No joke. But you WILL get over it and you have TIME on your hands. Just stay out of the market for few years, and do a hard reset. The market will still be here and you can take a more calm and slow approach to your investment goals where you can sleep soundly at night REGARDLESS of what the market is doing.
Parked some cash in WMT, WM, RSG just in case