Why is it that the WORLDS MOST INFLUENTIAL HEDGE FUNDS only start warning people about this when it's already too late to do anything about it but EVERY amateur investor saw this coming and warned people of this at least 5 years ago if not longer.
The comparison from coin to stocks for naked shorting isn't the best, I agree. But the point is that the SEC NEVER PUT ANY HEDGE FUNDS NAKED SHORT BASHERS IN JAIL OR EVEN GIVES THEM A FINE.... That's 100%, go look through their cases. I am not saying pump and dumps are to be allowed, I am saying that you can have it totally lopsided where you allow the hedge funds to do it as part of their normal daily business practice with zero repercussions destroying retail investors in these stocks and the companies with negative PR/IR and fake lawsuits and then penazlie the other side trying to many times save their companies by doing stock promotions when they shouldn't have had to without the bashers bringing them down in the first place...
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Bitcoin is not designed to "HEDGE" inflation, it is designed to ELIMINATE it, but that's only possible once it becomes used widely as money. Before that, during the adoption phase, the idea is to accumulate it with spare money. Not with money you may need soon, that's a gamble, and then the "hedge" narrative will disappoint you.
> But then you demand a hedge against the US stock market No, I don't. I don't demand anything. You seem to be confused so let me make it even more simple for you 1. Cryto bros said crypto is a hedge against inflation. 2. A hedge against inflation (like, traditionally, gold) goes UP invalue when the value of cash goes DOWN due to inflation. 3. The effectiveness of hedge is measureable via delta - between 1 and -1. 4. The value of crypto has gone down as the value of fiat has gone down. 5. It is therefore NOT A HEDGE. It is exact opposite of a hedge. 6. These are facts. You do not like these facts so you seek to redefine financial terms to align to your bias. 7. _That_ is what makes you _a fucking moron_.
or maybe be disappointed that the main thesis for the last few years of people hyping btc and crypto is that it's a "HEDGE AGAINST INFLATION" so if now crypto is pegged to Macroeconomic factors then why the fuck are yall wasting money on these stupid coins with zero value creation, insurance or protections that actual securities like stocks which track the market have?
This. If you (OP) have an emergency during a bear market then you're forcing yourself to sell at the worst possible time, and when your emergency fund is least effective. If your bank defaults then you should already be having Bitcoin on the side anyway, as a HEDGE against things like banks defaulting on your fiat emergency fund.
I love how they don't mention this drop is to the Dodd-Frank Law which was just passed and Phase 6 is next week which will collapse all the naked shares which are estimated to be 50% of our stock market being COUNTERFITTED and rigged system for 25 years... CONGRESS = Paid off by lobbyists SEC = Gets jobs from below career advancement DTCC = Allows counterfeiting of stock CLEARING FIRMS = Lend counterfeit stock for money to: BROKERS = who pump up the stocks and make transactions fees HEDGE FUNDS = they are the ones who bring them down with counterfeited shares borrowed for fees from the clearing firms All above are having incest and all intermingled with the same owners... RIGGED SYSTEM TO STEAL USA CITIZEN'S MONEY THROUGH A SCAM - BIGGEST SCAM OF ALL TIMES ENDORSED BY THE GOVERNMENT.
Not an inflation HEDGE, a deinflationary asset that has a hard cap limit, lending itself to scarcity. Those that think in fiat are scared because they want to go back to using fiat. The rest are sitting tight for the long haul, myself included.
Do you understand Bitcoin was written as a mathematical algorithm. It’s inevitable rise is not speculation. BITCOIN is not a investment it’s a HEDGE. If you’re worried about short term losses you’re broke and don’t belong here. Just you using coin base tells me enough. Yea
sigh, this again: you are confusing the types of inflation: BITCOIN IS A HEDGE AGAINST MONETARY INFLATION, NOT CONSUMER PRICE INFLATION. the proof of this is the last few years (minus the last 6 months): BTC went up crazy when the USD was inflated by 40% in 2 years. also: monetary inflation leads to consumer price inflation in the long run, and all asset classes are hurting when the monetary tightening begins.
I am absolutely not assuming inflation is transitory. I view Bitcoin price and Bitcoin adoption as two separate things. I care less and less about price. Adoption leads, price follows. Adoption is BOOMING. Price is still being controlled by huge players with tons of money that have no idea what Bitcoin is. Inflationary fiat currencies are doomed. The fed will keep tightening and raising interest rates, causing massive pain in the markets until inflation starts to dip a little, at which point they will yell "WE DID IT! WE BEAT INFLATION", and promptly print $5-$10 trillion USD. I'm pretty sure it's game over for the dollar. In the meantime, Bitcoin will be gaining more and more traction, more and more adoption, and it's demand will continue to rise and the supply continues to drop. THIS IS YOUR HEDGE AGAINST INFLATION. Not "look at what happened Friday". Look what happened over the past 100 years, and look forward to the next 20. Inflation will destroy everything, and Bitcoin IS your only lifeboat. That is the thesis for bitcoin as a hedge against inflation. Not what happened last Friday, last month, or last year. If you believe Bitcoin is not a hedge against inflation, dump it all. If you leave it in fiat, you're screwed because of inflation. If you invest in something smart, like real estate or property, I don't blame you, but that's part of the problem why younger generations can't afford to buy a house -- because there's so much inflation the money is moving to the housing market which has been severely under-built over the past 15 years since the great financial crisis. Or buy gold and watch it go sideways for the next 10 years as inflation continue to rise. I will be hodling and buying as much Bitcoin as I can. The opportunity the markets are providing us right now are INSANE. I'm not a fortune teller, but time will tell who comes out on top.
>In fact the original holders would be an immeasurably small drop in the ocean in such an airdrop. That's the fault of the mechanism that the project used and they made the choice to invest in. If you don't want your initial investment diluted through inflation, don't place it into a project who's stated mechanism IS to massively inflate the supply of 1 of its coins and sell off into the wider market in an attempt to peg your stablecoin. They literally signed up for this mechanism! Then when it goes bad, they want a spawn point and do over..... That's not how investing works! When you get a return on investment (APY) it's compensation for RISK that your taking, there is no free lunches! In this case it didn't work in their favour. You can't just endlessly mint new tokens and A) Expect it won't result in MASSIVE inflation that destroys the token price. B) Sell those tokens out into the wider market seeking new buyers so that it creates liquidity for your project.... and then turn around when it doesn't work out in your favour and claim that those new tokens somehow represent LESS then the old tokens! It's it harsh..... Fuck yes! But stop and think for a minute just what Terra and it's holders were doing to everyone else..... They decided it would be a great idea to use a crypto currency (BTC) as a backing asset to back another crypto currency (UST) and in the event that UST depegged, they would DUMP BTC into the market to try and regain the UST peg. They have used a HIGHLY CORRELATED asset (BTC) as backing.... So in the event of a market wide downturn, as UST depegged, the backing asset ALSO fell in value at the same time..... Now, imagine that Terra had another 2-3 trs under its belt, accumulating 300,000 BTC (it had 80,000 BTC when this happened). Now imagine this exact same thing happened and Terra dumped 300,000 BTC into the market to try to maintain UST peg! WTF does anyone think would happen to the price of BTC? It would shit the bed and drop like a rock! Everyone would panic and dump EVERYTHING crypto wide! It would be tge catalyst for the largest drop in cryptos history! Do Kwon is a fuckhead! What he was doing was creating a SYSTEMIC RISK for the entire crypto space and his backers did nothing to stop him or guide him to another option..... Seriously, what idiot thinks that having 2 highly correlated assets in any way works as a hedge....? They had a algorithmic stablecoin mechanism and it worked EXACTLY as it was stated to work. They minted and created TRILLIONS of new LUNA and sold them to new holders! They knew this was the mechanism, they invested knowing that! They can't then cry it's unfair when everything works exactly as it states on the box! If they didn't want inflationary risk..... why use the mechanism that they used and all bought into! 1 LUNA = 1 LUNA! The market must hold everyone accountable, no one gets a free ride after the minting didn't play out like they hoped, that was the RISK and why 20% APY was on the table. Higher the APY, HIGHER THE RISK! Your ALWAYS being compensated for the RISK you are accepting to take on! ALWAYS! Now, if the market doesn't hold the project accountable, that's a clear message to every scammer and criminal to run ponzies, dump trillions of tokens into the market and then they get a free pass and a fuckin spawn point? No way anyone was buying this as it was crashing if they knew the tokens you bought through this period somehow represented less then OG tokens! People bought into a crashing token on the CHANCE tgere was some big profits to be made, these people took a huge RISK! They also provided exit liquidity for OG's who were desperately dumping their LUNA as they minted from UST! 1 LUNA = 1 LUNA! They won't allow any voting rights to these newly minted LUNA.... They are already demonstrating that they consider new holders as disposable, to be used to provide them exit liquidity and then or tokens are somehow of less value in their ecosystem! But that's not how courts view it..... It's straight up fraud and theft! If they ram this through, there will be class actions! 1 LUNA = 1 LUNA! OG holders are angry towards new holders and conveniently forget that we were the people that were willing to buy their shitcoin in their time of need..... so they then want to treat us as "less then" when it's convenient for them. The ONLY people they should be angry at is Do Kwon and the project that used this mechanism! Be angry at the person who used a highly correlated asset to back stop another asset in the same asset class! How fuckin stupid can you be! The idea of a HEDGE is that it's a hedge AGAINST some risk.... Not at risk at the exact same time as the risk is hitting what it's supposed to be protecting! 1 LUNA = 1 LUNA!
Been funny watching all the Crypto Youtubers that went on that two week binge of "WE BACK BOIS! EXTENDED CYCLES! HIGHER LOWS! INFLATION HEDGE CONFIRMED" during that two week rise to near \~48k slowly recede like turtle heads back into a shell the last 3 days. ​ Now its all "Be careful! There could be more downside! The Fed is tightening! We didnt hold support!". I know its nothing new, but I do enjoy watching the mood swings out in the open like that.
You are correct, only thing in common is that the DOJ WAS REPONSIBLE FOR CATCHING HIM.MR. BITCON- NECT AND THE DOJ is the last folks you want after you and they are not GOING TO GO EASY ON THE HEDGE FUND THIEVES
A replicated Bitcoin isn’t real bitcoin. I don’t think you know how forks work. You can’t send it to any Bitcoin address and claim it as “Bitcoin”. People are comparing BTC to Gold not because BTC is an element, people are comparing it to gold because it is a STORE OF VALUE. Or a HEDGE against inflation.
HEY CHARLIE, WHAT GOODS OR SERVICES DO HEDGE FUNDS PROVIDE FOR SOCIETY EXACTLY???? To note, this is also the man that said in 2000 that the internet would provide tons of efficiencies but companies would get hit hard because these efficiencies wouldnt translate to higher company profits. As Saylor says, "Would you ask your Grandpa for investing advice into new technology companies?"
I'm a stupid ape, so forgive me and my salty sailor brain, but this is how I think of Crypto... Inflation and all the likes (stagflation, hyper, de, etc.) are products of government monetary policies - many like to blame the 'supply vs. demand' dynamic, however, that would only be true should there truly exist a free and fair market, which I'm sure us apes know that is far from the truth. So what value does crypto have - simple - it hedges against corrupt governments who create economic environments that devalue their currency, artificially cause inflation, etc.... Crypto is the HEDGE!, as much as, if not more, compared to a physical asset like gold, but it is more fungible and has utility compared to gold - governments cannot manipulate the price Education is key to crypto's value - the 7.5% inflation will drive folks to hedge against the devaluation of USD, and other governmental currencies.
The Gold Standard never really worked either. Truth is capitalism doesn't function once supply of cheap labor and or goods run out. Bitcoin is a HEDGE. Like Gold still is. It's great but if you can't pay your bills month to month because the value is down 50%, then it's pretty useless. Yes yes, if everyone and their mom took bitcoin you could pay your bills with it. But then, every month your bills would be completely variable. In Dec you'd pay 200 dollars in high value BTC and in January you'd pay 200 dollars and it would cost you twice as many BTC.
I mean you could have bought any asset class in the past 10 years and it is a good "hedge against inflation" too by that thesis. Just because a price has gone up in the last 10 years doesn't make it an inflation HEDGE. The problem is as soon as inflation actually increased, BTC price began to stagnate and decrease. While assets with utility increased. I'm not arguing what is, or isn't, a good investment. I'm arguing that the hypothesis that bitcoin is an inflation hedge while everyone is worried about inflation knocking the price down is hilarious and exposes that it's just another risk asset that may have potential (even as an inflation hedge) in the future.
You're comparing Gold to Bitcoin again, which is exactly where you're misinformed. Bitcoin is an asset that can make you $1 back on $1 that you put in it, ultimately increasing your purchasing power. Gold will not give you a yield, it retains your purchasing power and that's it. 1 Oz of Gold 50 years ago would get you fitted for a nice suit, 1 Oz of Gold today would get you fitted for a nice suit. Gold should be used to HEDGE YOURSELF from volatile investments like crypto. Crypto goes down 20% > Gold remains around the same price. Gold should be used as insurance for your investments that can dip quickly. It really isn't a matter of "BTC is better than Gold!!!!!". They are both completely different in nature and perform entirely different.
Hedge-Finance (HEDGE). Basically you buy their coin and they invest for you and give you rewards straight to your Trust Wallet, right now that’s ADA. Launched Nov 5th so very small market cap. I bought $100 worth and woke up to 600% gains and $10-15 worth of ADA rewards. Was going to cash out as I was just looking to make quick shit coin money but I did some more research first on their website and found it’s actually a pretty solid premise and team so I pulled my initial investment and let the rest ride. Worth checking out!
Everybody talking shit about printing money, think about this: printing money create economic growth! We wouldn't have had such exponential growth in crypto markets and technology, if governments did not print money. And crypto products deliver REAL VALUE BEYOND a mere hedge. Bitcoin IS NOT A HEDGE. IT IS AN AMAZING PRODUCT!
Educate yourself on the tokenomics of GRAVITOKEN! This project is unique and NOT A SCAM! Gravitoken ist in the process of building the FIRST COMMUNITY DRIVEN CRYPTO HEDGE FUND! Your arguments does not make any sense. Take your responsibility and educate people on crypto propperly! DYOR | NFA
How about u/Gravitoken? In my opinion this is a sleeping giant on the blockchain & soon will be the standout in my stable. Who else will be able to say they've got a freeking HEDGE FUND open to regular folks like you and me (usually reserved for the elite), in their portfolio come 2022!?
You're right. Value lies where people believe it lies but I find no value in a stablecoin or any cryptocurrency that trusts banks or government oversight. If they had the answer then we wouldn't be $28 trillion in debt right now in this country. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only answer is to take away the ability for peo pop Le in a position of power to be able to take advantage of the rest of the population. USDC is inviting the same corruption we're protesting right in the front door. The same government USDC is getting into bed with literally JUST got done trying to implement legislature that would have crippled the crypto industry. US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has taken over $7 million in laundered bribes from Citi Bank and --->CITADEL FUCKING HEDGE FUND<--- alone. How can you advocate for a stablecoin that's partnering with the same corrupt people that are standing on the backs of hard working Americans and taking advantage of us all? Wall street manipulation, bailout after bailout, using the media to lie to the public CONSTANTLY, taxes for everyone expect those who can afford to dance around with the IRS in court... How much is enough? USDC is just a more efficient way to control the populous. It's not a better solution for the people, it's a better solution for the government to manipulate us. Hard pass. Hard fucking pass.
Different pop. Look at the smart money starting to line up for Bitcoin. Let me tell you why; they see it as a good HEDGE! Meaning; they dont see it correlating with the rest of the economy in a potential pop event. Sure btc is not immune to any unpredicable future. This is uncharted waters. We can only fasten our seatbelts, and hope for the best. Like not even btc moon, but that the global society can navigate safely through this potential turbulence. All assets has been pumped by fractional reserve banking. The same that affected mostly the housing market in 2008, seems to have spread to many asset classes. Why? Because cheap debt has been even more abundant now than pre 2008. Its not like "they" fixed the problem back then..
First of all i never said i was or will be a genious if my statement comes true. Second of all you are contradicting yourself. Predicting a crash in a week is pure luck, absolutely nobody can do that unless its based off of luck. Predicting a market crash in the year that happens is actually pretty impressive. How naive do you have to be to want from me an exact date . IM STATING THE RISKS SO YOU HEDGE AGAINST THEM NOT PREDICTING THE FUTURE. Some people are just out of this world dumb
I joined this Reddit group because I was looking for a serious discussion about DOGE. First of all. If you sold at under 25 cents. You have no business even joining a competent discussion about DOGE. Second, if you are NOT buying DOGE because you heard some "expert" say that it just HAS TO crash and crash hard. Then you don't understand the havoc crypto currency is playing with the markets. It's hilarious to see them squirm. They wish crypto currency would all go away so they can continue to HEDGE (control) the market. It is hilarious. So, if you are worried about losing $600-700 to buy 1000 DOGE. You are right, you are not going to gain or lose anything. If you can't see the upside, I can't help you. You will regret it when it is closing in on $10. Then $100. And that 1000 is worth 100k. I'm gonna bet on it.
> This could be described as working together against a common "enemy If everything you said was true, sure. But people so quickly disregard the simple fact that THERE WERE HEDGE FUNDS LONG ON GME. Melvin was one of the few that were dumb enough to short it even after the news came out and hype was building. The GME battle wasn't simply WSB/Reddit vs. hedge funds. It was wsb/reddit/hedge funds vs other hedge funds/robinhood. Idk why gme grew into this weird social justice investment thing. It started on wsb as a play to make money, not become some lame politically charged movement that ultimately didn't and won't change anything at all about the manipulated stock market
I think HEDGE FUNDS don’t like crypto because they can’t control it and it gives the possibility of amazing returns to average people. I think RICH PEOPLE DO like crypto (even Doge) because it’s another store of value and they can manipulate it a little bit more than stocks and make returns. Sort of like a game.
But that is WHY you need to allow access to Bitcoin, and other decentralized projects, so that this can't happen. Sure, right now Venezuela is just fucked. Only way out is for them to overthrow the government but that won't happen. They are beyond help at this moment and that is sand and unfortunate. The paper USD doesn't work because the US has just printed in the last 18 approximately 60% of all money ever created... let that sink in... we've printed more money in the last 18 months than we have in the last 250 years of this country existing. And we are planning another $3.5 TRILLION in printing again. Only thing I hope is that they actually raise the taxes because THAT is better than printing money. So again, the only HEDGE against inflationary tactics is a decentralized economy not dependent on any one country... ie. Bitcoin, or any other similar currency. The only way we prevent another Venezuela is to take this thing truly global and help others learn from these mistakes. Venezuela is the case use for BTC, because if BTC was more advanced in the adoption phase this wouldn't have happened in Venezuela.