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enderfx

Investing is only for the calm, rationale people but ITS EITHER $0 BTC OR $1M BTC.

Internet_Responsible

Reddit really needs to step up their Scam DM game.. The last couple of DMs I reported I got a reply the likes of "Sorry we dont see that this is a Scam". WTF!! ITS SO EASY TO SEE!

croa81

I’ve been in crypto for 3 cycles now. This is my 4th. My first cycle I held and sold at a loss at the bottom after the bull run. It was my first time diving into crypto. I quit crypto at that point. My 2nd cycle I missed it (because I thought crypto was dead), my third cycle I made a million dollars. This cycle I’ll make a few millions. MANY people go thru the cycles exactly how I did. But one day the cycles won’t be as volatile and the swings won’t be as big (just like how the stock market was volatile like this and now it drops like 30% on world ending news). The chance to make your money is now. If you’re buying now, you can easily 10x your money from picking anything from the top 100-200. When the FOMO comes everything will rise. If you know you know the timing of the cycles and the halving. 2025 is bull year. This year is supposed to be a mini bull which crashes (but not back to ATL). You can try to time it or just sell the top in 2025. If you’re reading this consider yourself lucky. The risk return ratio is too good to pass up. This is an opportunity. If you’re selling now you’re insane. Buy low sell high. The cycles narratives always get fulfilled. FUD, doom, and gloom, was needed for the bear market. Most people believe it’s dead now. This is perfect. Everything is going as planned. The dates all lining up. I truly believe Nov was the bottom. During the bull market crypto will be the future again. Just like how it was the future in 2018. Sell high. When the Tik tok gym girls are buying, you sell. You don’t sell now!!! DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND THE CYCLES AND THE HISTORICAL DATA. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE “WHALES” CANGE THE SENTIMENT. ITS ALL MARKETING. GOOD NEWS WILL COME OUT, the whales literally pay for it . Don’t be a sheep. Be ahead of people. I don’t believe in crypto. I do want to make money. I don’t believe in any of the coins. My biggest bag is SOL and it’s the shittiest chain imo. But I got it at 10$ and I know it can hit 200$. Try to predict human nature, how things work. And come out on top. There is so much more I can say. I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’ve been in “markets” for over 2 decades now I can say many things. In this life you make a bet/prediction based on information. You can’t think like everyone else. You need to think, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO? It’s not all fundamentals and technicals. Understand humans, their nature, etc. Remember this is a zero sum game. When we sell on top, we will be taking this money from someone. Who? Think hard on who we will be taking the money from. Like I said I can say a lot. But I can’t, there is too much to say. This is just for some guidance because I see so many people who are just lost. Bear trap, is it this is it that? Influencers saying one thing and the complete opposite happening. Trust me, 2025, I sell. Get your heads out of your ass. Don’t be blind. Don’t believe everything and don’t be naive. There is no conspiracy, there is only the harsh reality. Not everything is what it seems. Trust me, the money we will make is not good money, there is a lot of trickery that will go down. But I won’t sit here and watch, I’m gonna make my money. You can’t save everybody. In fact, you need people to be down for people to be up. That’s the way of life. 2025 🚀🚀🚀

CypherMcAfee

ITS NOT easy. Its dificult and not even convenient, and you still have to trust the 2nd party. Its like waiting for the internet to be disked on the 90s while you plug the cell phone cable to the modem. Bisq isnt convenient neither easy, its good for non Kyc altough you can also be caugth because you used your bank acount even with the credit card you can be identified so, not even at this its the best option around. Another good option for you and europeans its RELAI app, and its way easier then Bisq.

TheGreatCryptopo

Whatever hardware you get, make sure **ITS FROM THE OFFICIAL SITE!!!!!** Do not cheap out and get it off a friend or ebay or amazon or any other site. You are in danger of getting fucked over if you do. I have a ledger but my portfolio is a simple as can be BTC ETH LTC and some other random shitcoins but they all fit comofortably on a ledger. Can recommend, easy to setup and use.

ps2man41

I ain’t selling if I’m in the red. IF ITS GOING TO 0 IM GOING TO 0 TOO.

MuenzenKoenig

Well.. i only see Shitcoins listed. Looks like a Burn your Time (Money) Simulator for me. Before you use this, just send me your Coins and i will double it in 0,01 sec. [AAAAAAND ITS GONE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nVk25ZvTkU) \- Check it out. Not open source ? Anyways, nothing for me. Stay safe Guys \^\^

IKnowWhoYouAreGuy

While I'm somewhat of a trained mathematical expert, I find it extremely hard to believe that something currently valued at $23k will be valued at $200k without hitting $70k. Then again, I remember this is bitcoin, so it's not like we're on the normal number line here. Real numbers in the bitcoin valuation world pass through the asymptote all the time. Or for the lay-person, "ITS COUNTING SIDEWAYS!"

Zhaopow

STOP SPREADING THIS HEADLINE ITS CLEARLY BS. They just LISTED the top performing assets of 2023 SO FAR, and now the dumbest BTC shillers we dont want to claim are trying to spread this around like it shows bullishness or adoption?

Killertimme

Mini bullrun, followed by: ITS A TRAP

croa81

Repost Alert I’ve been in crypto for 3 cycles now. This is my 4th. My first cycle I held and sold at a loss at the bottom after the bull run. It was my first time diving into crypto. I quit crypto at that point. My 2nd cycle I missed it (because I thought crypto was dead), my third cycle I made a million dollars. This cycle I’ll make a few millions. MANY people go thru the cycles exactly how I did. But one day the cycles won’t be as volatile and the swings won’t be as big (just like how the stock market was volatile like this and now it drops like 30% on world ending news). The chance to make your money is now. If you’re buying now, you can easily 10x your money from picking anything from the top 100-200. When the FOMO comes everything will rise. If you know you know the timing of the cycles and the halving. 2025 is bull year. This year is supposed to be a mini bull which crashes (but not back to ATL). You can try to time it or just sell the top in 2025. If you’re reading this consider yourself lucky. The risk return ratio is too good to pass up. This is an opportunity. If you’re selling now you’re insane. Buy low sell high. The cycles narratives always get fulfilled. FUD, doom, and gloom, was needed for the bear market. Most people believe it’s dead now. This is perfect. Everything is going as planned. The dates all lining up. I truly believe Nov was the bottom. During the bull market crypto will be the future again. Just like how it was the future in 2018. Sell high. When the Tik tok gym girls are buying, you sell. You don’t sell now!!! DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND THE CYCLES AND THE HISTORICAL DATA. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE “WHALES” CANGE THE SENTIMENT. ITS ALL MARKETING. GOOD NEWS WILL COME OUT, the whales literally pay for it . Don’t be a sheep. Be ahead of people. I don’t believe in crypto. I do want to make money. I don’t believe in any of the coins. My biggest bag is SOL and it’s the shittiest chain imo. But I got it at 10$ and I know it can hit 200$. Try to predict human nature, how things work. And come out on top. There is so much more I can say. I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’ve been in “markets” for over 2 decades now I can say many things. In this life you make a bet/prediction based on information. You can’t think like everyone else. You need to think, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO? It’s not all fundamentals and technicals. Understand humans, their nature, etc. Remember this is a zero sum game. When we sell on top, we will be taking this money from someone. Who? Think hard on who we will be taking the money from. Like I said I can say a lot. But I can’t, there is too much to say. This is just for some guidance because I see so many people who are just lost. Bear trap, is it this is it that? Influencers saying one thing and the complete opposite happening. Trust me, 2025, I sell. Get your heads out of your ass. Don’t be blind. Don’t believe everything and don’t be naive. There is no conspiracy, there is only the harsh reality. Not everything is what it seems. Trust me, the money we will make is not good money, there is a lot of trickery that will go down. But I won’t sit here and watch, I’m gonna make my money. You can’t save everybody. In fact, you need people to be down for people to be up. That’s the way of life.

ps2man41

1. You can own a fraction of a Bitcoin, why do people get confused about that? 2. It’s borderleas, universal, anyone can use it. 3. Can basically send money instantly instead of waiting the how many days for banks. 4. Always send a small test payment. Even send in fractions if you want. 5. AND MOST IMPORTANT 5. YOU DONT OWN BITCOIN IF ITS ON AN EXCHANGE. That exchange goes down, they can claim your bitcoin. GET A WALLET. Ps. Don’t put your seed phrase anywhere on technology. Ever.

second-last-mohican

FOR THE LAST TIME.. ITS A .JPG!! /s

croa81

Most of you guys don’t know anything, read this and change your life… I’ve been in crypto for 3 cycles now. This is my 4th. My first cycle I held and sold at a loss at the bottom after the bull run. It was my first time diving into crypto. I quit crypto at that point. My 2nd cycle I missed it (because I thought crypto was dead), my third cycle I made a million dollars. This cycle I’ll make a few millions. MANY people go thru the cycles exactly how I did. But one day the cycles won’t be as volatile and the swings won’t be as big (just like how the stock market was volatile like this and now it drops like 30% on world ending news). The chance to make your money is now. If you’re buying now, you can easily 10x your money from picking anything from the top 100-200. When the FOMO comes everything will rise. If you know you know the timing of the cycles and the halving. 2025 is bull year. This year is supposed to be a mini bull which crashes (but not back to ATL). You can try to time it or just sell the top in 2025. If you’re reading this consider yourself lucky. The risk return ratio is too good to pass up. This is an opportunity. If you’re selling now you’re insane. Buy low sell high. The cycles narratives always get fulfilled. FUD, doom, and gloom, was needed for the bear market. Most people believe it’s dead now. This is perfect. Everything is going as planned. The dates all lining up. I truly believe Nov was the bottom. During the bull market crypto will be the future again. Just like how it was the future in 2018. Sell high. When the Tik tok gym girls are buying, you sell. You don’t sell now!!! DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND THE CYCLES AND THE HISTORICAL DATA. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE “WHALES” CANGE THE SENTIMENT. ITS ALL MARKETING. GOOD NEWS WILL COME OUT, the whales literally pay for it . Don’t be a sheep. Be ahead of people. I don’t believe in crypto. I do want to make money. I don’t believe in any of the coins. My biggest bag is SOL and it’s the shittiest chain imo. But I got it at 10$ and I know it can hit 200$. Try to predict human nature, how things work. And come out on top. There is so much more I can say. I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’ve been in “markets” for over 2 decades now I can say many things. In this life you make a bet/prediction based on information. You can’t think like everyone else. You need to think, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO? It’s not all fundamentals and technicals. Understand humans, their nature, etc. Remember this is a zero sum game. When we sell on top, we will be taking this money from someone. Who? Think hard on who we will be taking the money from. Like I said I can say a lot. But I can’t, there is too much to say. This is just for some guidance because I see so many people who are just lost. Bear trap, is it this is it that? Influencers saying one thing and the complete opposite happening. Trust me, 2025, I sell. Get your heads out of your ass. Don’t be blind. Don’t believe everything and don’t be naive. There is no conspiracy, there is only the harsh reality. Not everything is what it seems. Trust me, the money we will make is not good money, there is a lot of trickery that will go down. But I won’t sit here and watch, I’m gonna make my money. You can’t save everybody. In fact, you need people to be down for people to be up. That’s the way of life. 2025 🚀🚀🚀

croa81

Most of you guys don’t know anything, read this and change your life… I’ve been in crypto for 3 cycles now. This is my 4th. My first cycle I held and sold at a loss at the bottom after the bull run. It was my first time diving into crypto. I quit crypto at that point. My 2nd cycle I missed it (because I thought crypto was dead), my third cycle I made a million dollars. This cycle I’ll make a few millions. MANY people go thru the cycles exactly how I did. But one day the cycles won’t be as volatile and the swings won’t be as big (just like how the stock market was volatile like this and now it drops like 30% on world ending news). The chance to make your money is now. If you’re buying now, you can easily 10x your money from picking anything from the top 100-200. When the FOMO comes everything will rise. If you know you know the timing of the cycles and the halving. 2025 is bull year. This year is supposed to be a mini bull which crashes (but not back to ATL). You can try to time it or just sell the top in 2025. If you’re reading this consider yourself lucky. The risk return ratio is too good to pass up. This is an opportunity. If you’re selling now you’re insane. Buy low sell high. The cycles narratives always get fulfilled. FUD, doom, and gloom, was needed for the bear market. Most people believe it’s dead now. This is perfect. Everything is going as planned. The dates all lining up. I truly believe Nov was the bottom. During the bull market crypto will be the future again. Just like how it was the future in 2018. Sell high. When the Tik tok gym girls are buying, you sell. You don’t sell now!!! DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND THE CYCLES AND THE HISTORICAL DATA. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE “WHALES” CANGE THE SENTIMENT. ITS ALL MARKETING. GOOD NEWS WILL COME OUT, the whales literally pay for it . Don’t be a sheep. Be ahead of people. I don’t believe in crypto. I do want to make money. I don’t believe in any of the coins. My biggest bag is SOL and it’s the shittiest chain imo. But I got it at 10$ and I know it can hit 200$. Try to predict human nature, how things work. And come out on top. There is so much more I can say. I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’ve been in “markets” for over 2 decades now I can say many things. In this life you make a bet/prediction based on information. You can’t think like everyone else. You need to think, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO? It’s not all fundamentals and technicals. Understand humans, their nature, etc. Remember this is a zero sum game. When we sell on top, we will be taking this money from someone. Who? Think hard on who we will be taking the money from. Like I said I can say a lot. But I can’t, there is too much to say. This is just for some guidance because I see so many people who are just lost. Bear trap, is it this is it that? Influencers saying one thing and the complete opposite happening. Trust me, 2025, I sell. Get your heads out of your ass. Don’t be blind. Don’t believe everything and don’t be naive. There is no conspiracy, there is only the harsh reality. Not everything is what it seems. Trust me, the money we will make is not good money, there is a lot of trickery that will go down. But I won’t sit here and watch, I’m gonna make my money. You can’t save everybody. In fact, you need people to be down for people to be up. That’s the way of life. 2025 🚀🚀🚀

BriBumer

BUT CARDANO DID NOT CLAIME ITS IN BETA! Like Solana devs do.... ROFL... Unbeliveable... Like I told this discussion is useless. You can have the last word. Ciao...

croa81

Most of you guys don’t know anything, read this and change your life… I’ve been in crypto for 3 cycles now. This is my 4th. My first cycle I held and sold at a loss at the bottom after the bull run. It was my first time diving into crypto. I quit crypto at that point. My 2nd cycle I missed it (because I thought crypto was dead), my third cycle I made a million dollars. This cycle I’ll make a few millions. MANY people go thru the cycles exactly how I did. But one day the cycles won’t be as volatile and the swings won’t be as big (just like how the stock market was volatile like this and now it drops like 30% on world ending news). The chance to make your money is now. If you’re buying now, you can easily 10x your money from picking anything from the top 100-200. When the FOMO comes everything will rise. If you know you know the timing of the cycles and the halving. 2025 is bull year. This year is supposed to be a mini bull which crashes (but not back to ATL). You can try to time it or just sell the top in 2025. If you’re reading this consider yourself lucky. The risk return ratio is too good to pass up. This is an opportunity. If you’re selling now you’re insane. Buy low sell high. The cycles narratives always get fulfilled. FUD, doom, and gloom, was needed for the bear market. Most people believe it’s dead now. This is perfect. Everything is going as planned. The dates all lining up. I truly believe Nov was the bottom. During the bull market crypto will be the future again. Just like how it was the future in 2018. Sell high. When the Tik tok gym girls are buying, you sell. You don’t sell now!!! DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND THE CYCLES AND THE HISTORICAL DATA. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE “WHALES” CANGE THE SENTIMENT. ITS ALL MARKETING. GOOD NEWS WILL COME OUT, the whales literally pay for it . Don’t be a sheep. Be ahead of people. I don’t believe in crypto. I do want to make money. I don’t believe in any of the coins. My biggest bag is SOL and it’s the shittiest chain imo. But I got it at 10$ and I know it can hit 200$. Try to predict human nature, how things work. And come out on top. There is so much more I can say. I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’ve been in “markets” for over 2 decades now I can say many things. In this life you make a bet/prediction based on information. You can’t think like everyone else. You need to think, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO? It’s not all fundamentals and technicals. Understand humans, their nature, etc. Remember this is a zero sum game. When we sell on top, we will be taking this money from someone. Who? Think hard on who we will be taking the money from. Like I said I can say a lot. But I can’t, there is too much to say. This is just for some guidance because I see so many people who are just lost. Bear trap, is it this is it that? Influencers saying one thing and the complete opposite happening. Trust me, 2025, I sell. Get your heads out of your ass. Don’t be blind. Don’t believe everything and don’t be naive. There is no conspiracy, there is only the harsh reality. Not everything is what it seems. Trust me, the money we will make is not good money, there is a lot of trickery that will go down. But I won’t sit here and watch, I’m gonna make my money. You can’t save everybody. In fact, you need people to be down for people to be up. That’s the way of life. 2025 🚀🚀🚀

croa81

I’ve been in crypto for 3 cycles now. This is my 4th. My first cycle I held and sold at a loss at the bottom after the bull run. It was my first time diving into crypto. I quit crypto at that point. My 2nd cycle I missed it (because I thought crypto was dead), my third cycle I made a million dollars. This cycle I’ll make a few millions. MANY people go thru the cycles exactly how I did. But one day the cycles won’t be as volatile and the swings won’t be as big (just like how the stock market was volatile like this and now it drops like 30% on world ending news). The chance to make your money is now. If you’re buying now, you can easily 10x your money from picking anything from the top 100-200. When the FOMO comes everything will rise. If you know you know the timing of the cycles and the halving. 2025 is bull year. This year is supposed to be a mini bull which crashes (but not back to ATL). You can try to time it or just sell the top in 2025. If you’re reading this consider yourself lucky. The risk return ratio is too good to pass up. This is an opportunity. If you’re selling now you’re insane. Buy low sell high. The cycles narratives always get fulfilled. FUD, doom, and gloom, was needed for the bear market. Most people believe it’s dead now. This is perfect. Everything is going as planned. The dates all lining up. I truly believe Nov was the bottom. During the bull market crypto will be the future again. Just like how it was the future in 2018. Sell high. When the Tik tok gym girls are buying, you sell. You don’t sell now!!! DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND THE CYCLES AND THE HISTORICAL DATA. I HAVE SEEN HOW THE “WHALES” CANGE THE SENTIMENT. ITS ALL MARKETING. GOOD NEWS WILL COME OUT, the whales literally pay for it . Don’t be a sheep. Be ahead of people. I don’t believe in crypto. I do want to make money. I don’t believe in any of the coins. My biggest bag is SOL and it’s the shittiest chain imo. But I got it at 10$ and I know it can hit 200$. Try to predict human nature, how things work. And come out on top. There is so much more I can say. I’ve put a lot of thought into this. I’ve been in “markets” for over 2 decades now I can say many things. In this life you make a bet/prediction based on information. You can’t think like everyone else. You need to think, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE GOING TO DO? 2025 🚀🚀🚀

NotThatGuy10x

Btc goes down $300... ITS DUMPING!!

Warrlock608

And then when it retraces back to 18k with a healthy pull back he'll say "ITS OVER EVERYONE GET OUT OF CRYPTO" and then we are back on the moon mission

Lazar131

Wheres that one guy with crypto will leap in the next 6 hours? WHY DIDNT HE TELL US ITS A LEAP DOWNWARD

JERMYNC

"Right now, BTC is on day 14 of its win streak, hitting four-month highs in the process. One more day of upwards price movement will match its 2013 streak." It's a Cat 🐈 bounce, no it's a bear 🧸 trap. NO ITS A BULL 🐂 RUN bitcjes!

0010_0010_0000

Yeah agreed It's pretty telling when someone like Robinhood is even still allowed to operate despite getting hit with $50M+ in fines in 2020 and 2021 2 separate times for misleading investors and erroneous margin calls on 100,000s of customers. pay your fine, take your FINRA disclosure, and keep stealing people's money is their MO. They were accused of and paid the fines for the below once in 2020 and again for the same crimes in 2021. From FINRA they are in trouble because because they... NEGLIGENTLY COMMUNICATED FALSE AND MISLEADING INFORMATION TO ITS CUSTOMERS INCLUDING THAT THE FIRM NEGLIGENTLY MISREPRESENTED TO CERTAIN CUSTOMERS THAT CERTAIN ACCOUNTS WERE NOT MARGIN-ENABLED, FALSELY TOLD CUSTOMERS THAT THEY COULD DISABLE MARGIN, AND DISPLAYED INACCURATE CASH BALANCES AND BUYING POWER CALCULATIONS TO CUSTOMERS. ADDITIONALLY, THE FIRM NEGLIGENTLY MISREPRESENTED THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH CERTAIN OPTIONS TRANSACTIONS AND THE ACTIONS THE FIRM WOULD TAKE WITH THOSE POSITIONS ON ITS CUSTOMERS' BEHALF. FURTHER, THE FIRM ISSUED ERRONEOUS MARGIN CALLS AND MARGIN CALL WARNINGS TO OVER 100,000 CUSTOMERS AND DISPLAYED INACCURATE ACCOUNT INFORMATION TO MILLIONS OF CUSTOMERS. IN ADDITION, THE FIRM MADE FALSE AND MISLEADING CLAIMS TO MILLIONS OF INDIVIDUALS IN PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS FOR ITS "CHECKING & SAVINGS" PROGRAM, AND NEGLIGENTLY MADE MISSTATEMENTS TO MILLIONS OF INDIVIDUALS IN PROMOTING ITS "FREE STOCK" PROGRAM. THE FINDINGS ALSO STATED THAT THESE VIOLATIONS OCCURRED, AT LEAST IN PART, BECAUSE THE FIRM FAILED TO ESTABLISH AND MAINTAIN A SUPERVISORY SYSTEM, AND FAILED TO ESTABLISH, MAINTAIN, AND ENFORCE WRITTEN SUPERVISORY PROCEDURES (WSPS), THAT WERE REASONABLY DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE COMPLIANCE WITH FINRA RULES. THE FINDINGS ALSO INCLUDED THAT THE FIRM FAILED TO EXERCISE REASONABLE DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE APPROVING CUSTOMERS TO TRADE OPTIONS. ALTHOUGH THE FIRM'S WSPS ASSIGNED REGISTERED OPTIONS PRINCIPALS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF APPROVING ACCOUNTS FOR OPTIONS TRADING, THE FIRM, IN PRACTICE, RELIED ON COMPUTER ALGORITHMS WITH ONLY LIMITED OVERSIGHT BY FIRM PRINCIPALS. THIS SYSTEM SUFFERED FROM A NUMBER OF FLAWS AND THE FIRM FAILED TO EXERCISE REASONABLE DUE DILIGENCE BEFORE APPROVING THOUSANDS OF CUSTOMERS WHO DID NOT SATISFY THE FIRM'S ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA OR WHOSE ACCOUNTS CONTAINED RED FLAGS THAT OPTIONS TRADING MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THEM. https://brokercheck.finra.org/firm/summary/165998

twilight-actual

Instead, ask why I responded this way. Because every time someone who is "obviously" guilty this question comes up. Which essentially boils down to: LET'S THROW OUT THE CONSTITUTION AND ITS BILL OF RIGHTS. Don't even entertain that populist nonsense with a leading clickbait title. If haven't noticed, we had an attempted coup in 21, the Republican Party has a dominant group now called the sedition caucus, and the weakening of the roots of our rule of law and our democracy are plain to see. So, no, I won't chill. And people shouldn't be asking why someone yet convicted of a crime is free doing what they want. They should know. Because if you're reading this, you should already know about our rule of law, our constitution, and our bill of rights.

ohmygodbeats7

Nothing I have. ITS GOING TO BE ALL FINE PEOPLE!

PlsRespond1

Most people seem to forget or not know at all that before, crypto.com was Monaco and did an ICO for the MCO token. Then they bought the crypto.com domain and issued a new token, the CRO, and converted the 30 million supply to the new token with 30 billion supply, effectively x1000 the total supply but only offering something like 32:1 swap for people to convert their MCO to CRO. RIPPING OFF ALL OF ITS PREVIOUS ICO INVESTORS. They might have been legit going forward (without mentioning all the screw-ups and the reduced staking shenanigans), but I could never trust an exchange that started off screwing its entire investor base. You just know that they would do it again if ever they needed to, and there's just too many risks already in this space to trust them again.

eichekarneval

If you want to do with your Money whatever you want; you should hord it in a Wallet and Not give the Keys away of your Empire or even think your assets rely on Banks anyway... Banks exist as an Exchange Institution because of transportation Costs.. and individiuals envy furthered or restrained due cyclical Formations of monetary Policy and their time lags... Similar Like building a House; one Pays the Fundament First and Then buys supply or hires for Services... ITS a transportation Costs, which ist affected by Capital circulation and individiuals creative Destruktion.

DynamoDylan

I think its pretty clear my viewpoint is NO ITS NOT DEAD

Vegetable-Put3452

Hi I am an lecturer on defi, cryto in UK. I agree. Investors are just hoping some other person will pay more for it. Not in real ownership of company. Check out my website and sign up for free newsletter where I go into details. I remove all the BS around this area. Recent post is NFTS: NOT F\*\*\*ING TULIPS and SAM BANKMAN-FRIED: ITS ALL IN THE HAIRCUT. www.unbiasedacademic.com

SpaceFaceMistake

I would like clarification on my %ages for the total 100% of allocated moons and or where one can find this information IF ITS even publicly available??

IcArUs362

Hey, anyone here interested in joining a new DAO in the crypto-for-good space thats purpose is to stop scams and failures like FTX and Celsius from reoccuring?? We are trying to onboard the first 50 early members... ITS FREE

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > ​ > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > ​ > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > ​ > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > ​ > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > ​ > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/zykwb7/daily_general_discussion_december_30_2022_gmt0/).

Bogey_Kingston

go read his actual tweet - ITS HILARIOUS! he also predicts and US civil war where Texas & Cali secede, and Texas & Mexico form a single country lmao

galaxy7474

Are you a dumbass? You go use underground and shady services and then come crying on random posts ITS A SCAM . Throughout my 7 years of trading and followong crypto, Ive never been scammed once like you said. Maybe because I know what I am doing?

ponki44

To many blinded by the "russia bad" narrative to even discuss this it seems lol Most people whos here got some crypto and could earn on massive countries like russia start using it, but since they gone to war like literally most countries in the world have the last few 100s of years ITS BAD. I dont give a shit who use crypto, if its people i hate, or its north korea, or its usa, its a fuking currency i earn/lose money on, i preffer it being a earn and not a loss, so i dont give a shit if your narrative wont alow you to say its a good thing, as russia dont care, i dont care, most whos actually in this to earn cash dont care.

HODL_monk

Now the average FIAT company always wants to be 100 % in debt and levered up, to try to beat earnings by a penny this quarter, but those guys are in a different business, and I would have hoped Bitcoin companies would be a LITTLE different, especially since they mine a resource that EVERY FOUR YEARS LIKE CLOCKWORK loses NINETY PERCENT OF ITS VALUE. I mean, seriously, did these morons somehow think they were in the last cycle, and now its strait to the moon, baby ? I get it if some 19 yr old thinks crypto is like that, but someone with a 10 BILLION dollar operation should think a little harder about how this asset trades. This is a business that NEEDS stored up fiat, because it will with almost 100 % likelihood have the asset trade below the cost of mining it, at least for a year or two, every four years, so the business needs to be able to run in the red for at least that long. Going bankrupt and losing all your equity and Bitcoin every four years is not a long term sustainable model, and I hoped there was at least one adult at this place that could have looked out a few years and seen this.

VictoryDangerous

Dividing the pizza into slices isn't the only variable. Its the effectiveness of the pizza. If you need 1 whole pizza to satisfy your hunger compared to only needing 1/10 of the pizza to satisfy your hunger. That's the comparison. You are not adding more pizza. You are saying that each slice of pizza (however you divide it) will satisfy you the same as when you were a bigger person. The "efficiency" of the pizza slice goes further than it before. You are not creating more pizza. However, if the smallest unit of measure for the pizza was called a slice, and you kept dividing the pizza over and over and over and still the smallest unit was called a slice, you could have 10 slices, 1 million slices, 21 quadrillion slices. It would still equal the 1 pizza when put back together. I get that. I'm comparing it to bitcoin and its value. 1 pizza and how much i need to fill my belly. Nevermind....this pizza conversation isn't getting to my question. That's obviously been answered by the bitcoin community as "KEEP DIVIDING BITCOIN. ITS SUPPLY IS FINITE, BUT ITS INFINITELY DIVISIBLE". Question Answered. Thank you.

itsnotthatdeepbrah

If the Bank of International Settlements is advising banks to hold 2% of their balance sheets in BTC, it doesn’t take a genius to understand the fact that they intend to settle using BTC moving forward. And the fact that it’s legal tender in 2 separate nation states quite literally means it’s a viable settlement layer for said nation states. Citizens are able to settle tax payments to the state. Other nations can trade using BTC. Your argument is “HOMIE ITS NOT ENOUGH BECAUSE THOSE NATIONS ARE SMALL, ONLY THE NATIONS I DECLARE AS BIG ENOUGH AND RICH ARE ALLOWED TO BE MENTIONED!!!” Or “HOMIEEEEE BTC IS ALLOWED BUT ETH ISNT SO IM JUST GOING TO ACT LIKE ITS USELESS TO ME!!!”

Grimeslave

That's effectively the same thing first of all. If they can't cash out the bitcoin, and as I stated in my OP you can't use it for groceries or gas then what fuck all good is it then? Truly if they can't cash it out but can still send and receive it what are they supposed to actually do? The problem inherited in this transaction is that Bitcoin still needs the banks to work. And to answer your previous reply, yes I'm obviously versed and well aware what crypto is. I've simply been racking my brain trying to answer the fundamentals behind such a speculative market as well as get answers from the community but all I got was "HURR WHAT ABOUT THE USD THO" and "B B BUT ITS PRIVATE!!" No one answered any of my questions in any competent fashion. Hell, half the replies to why bitcoin has value was "bitcoin has value because people give it that value" which is insane and unstainable. Whatever man, enjoy it ig

victorious203

Be prepared to lose EVERY cent you invest in Bitcoin or ANY other crypto, even if it’s tied 1:1 in value with the US dollar and just relies on the underlying blockchain technology. The fall of one company can bring down many others around it. I read about the collapse of FTX and thought, wow that sucks for their customers. A week later I find out my own investment account has frozen withdrawals. ITS ALL CONNECTED. Don’t underestimate this.

IWillKillPutin2022

Bitcoin is down 3%!! ITS DEAD

NotAThrowawayPorn

“ITS A SCAM” (mark Cubans voice)

marsangelo

Explained crypto to my family before when they said how ridiculous it was, they were confused but showed interest in learning. Then this happened and they went back to the same “ITS BACKED BY NOTHING”

420friendlyredbeard

Jim Crame before each show “_ITS CRAMMERING TIME! JIM SMASH_ (Investors hopes and dreams)!!”

Best_Window4605

Algorand isn't doing 6000 TPS at the moment LOLLLLLLLL That's speculation. It literally says "As part of Algorand's latest major protocol upgrade, the blockchain will see a 5x performance boost to 6,000" ​ WILL IS THE KEY WORD. THAT MEANS ITS NOT HAPPENING NOW BUT GUESS WHAT, GO ON THE ALGO EXPLORER RIGHT NOW AND TELL ME HOW MANY TPS ITS DOING RIGHT NOW????? ​ ITS ONLY DOING 9 TPS AT THE MOMENT BWAHHAHAHAHAHAH ​ [https://algoexplorer.io/](https://algoexplorer.io/) ​ Love demolishing Algo bag holders with facts. This shit is too easy.

papi_wood

Oh wait did we forget to mention. ABSOLUTELY ZERO DOWNTIME ON CHAIN SINCE ITS BEGINNING

spongebud

High inflation - DUE TO BE 4% NEXT YEAR Significant drop in daily active users - ITS A BEAR MARKET Marketcap rank drop - MARKET RANK 49 TWO YEARS AGO Departure of disinterested CEO - DISINTERESTED? STICK TO FACTS FOR YOUR POST TO HAVE CREDABILITY - A NEW CEO WAS HIRED Plagiarism of other projects - WHAT?? SILVIO MENTIONED IN BITCOIN WHITE PAPER Incessant shill posting - I COULD SAY THE SAME RIGHT NOW WITH ANTI SHILLING

Eastern_Answer3178

There destroying us here in the U.S. ITS ABSOLUTELY INSANE!!! THEY LITERALLY JUST WENT TO WAR WITH THE POOR!!! now you can only have $600 in transactions FOR THE YEAR then EVERY SINGLE TRANSACTION OVER 600 YOU WILL GET A 1099 FOR!!!! ITS ABSOLUTE INSANITY!!!! THE POOR ARE ONLY GOING TO GET POORER!!! THEY THINK THIS US HOW THERE GOING TO GET MORE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE AND THEY VOTED THIS GARBAGE IN!!! All our leaders are filthy rich and they all could care less!!! Both sides are trash!!! If your relying on the government no matter what side you're on you're setting yourself up for a huge fall!!! There is only one thing you can rely on and that's Jesus!!! it's definitely not easy but He has never let me down. He might wait till the very last second 99% of the time BUT HE NEVER FAILS!!! the most amazing thing about the Bible is God cannot lie. So all the promises in there ARE TRUE!!! AND THERE FOR WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM!

Chysce

So ... I GUESS ITS TIME TO GO 100 FUCKING X LONG

clickenouttahere

Crypto lost ALL ITS VALUE IN MONTHS ya daft cunt what about that ??

420friendlyredbeard

Jim before each show “ITS CRAMMERING TIME! JIM SMASH (Investors hopes and dreams)!!”

xPHILL

No because I didn't use that to defend Democrats who take money. I advocated for massive overhauls in our laws rather than just saying "THE OTHER SIDE DID IT TOO SO ITS OKAY!"

PanicBoners

Dollar endgame, ITS HAPPENING

waxheartzZz

This reminds me of the robinhood ordeal. ​ My takeaway was "I should have anticipated the risk of the broker going down, that is a risk I need to factor in the future, my mistake." ​ Most people's takeaway: "ITS NOT FAIR AND ITS NOT MY FAULT"

IAmSixNine

If the institutions lost money and retail also lost money in this bear market, then where did all the money go? The correct answer is, ITS LOST.... might be in the woods, might be under the ocean, could be in space.. But with out google maps or a compass to find its way back, its all just lost.

John_Sknow

Sold at all at 17000 yesterday cause of a TA, then bought back later that night at 17400 cause in my mind I was saying HE'S WRONG, HE'S WRONG, BUY BACK, BUY BUY. Woke up this morning ITS DUMPING SELL SELL SELL, Sold all at 17000. I should have went with my own TA to sell at 17400 before it will sell off.....@#$Q%@# got me again for the 10th time.

Goonzoo

ITS MOONS! >!probably not!<

FldLima

I love for the day to see some profit on my Portfolio and i can scream around the office: ITS HAPPENING

where-ya-headed

SOLANA IS DEAD. THEY TOOK IT OUT BADK AND PUT A FUCKING BULLET IN ITS HEAD. SOLANA IS DEAD MOTHERFUCKER. ~ The Last Ten Seconds of Life

TrueBirch

Madoff built its Primex and the world's four largest firms came. Why? In the biggest trading coup of 1999, two poor boys from Brooklyn found a way to legitimize how a firm can retain its own order flow in the coming decimal pricing environment. One of the six original firms whose experimental price quotations in 1971 on a computer network gave birth to the Nasdaq Stock Market, no market maker has been more innovative or has dared to try more new things than Bernard L. Madoff & Co. This catalyst of trading change is run by Bernie, EQUITIES Achiever of 1989, and his brother Peter, who is a computerized trading whiz. Assisted by over 30 family members among over 200 employees, the firm has been profitable every year for 38 years and the firm's capital is now well over $250 million. While Madoff was big early in Nasdaq, the firm almost totally withdrew to concentrate on lucrative Third Market trading of 650 of the largest caps on the NYSE off the exchange floor. Quickly the firm learned it had to give print protection to customers because the NYSE does it. Not so on Nasdaq so orders are not always executed there. Recently Madoff returned to the Nasdaq market, now ranking 8th in the wholesale category. (See page 26.) In a few short years, its Nasdaq business soared from zero to 25% as it pioneered price improvement and limit order protection for 200 of Nasdaq's largest caps. Now Madoff's Primex electronic trading platform could have a dramatic impact of both NYSE and Nasdaq, not to mention the other global markets. But first a little background. Awhile ago Big Board Chairman Richard Grasso scored a triumph when some huge brokers brought back much of their trading in NYSE stocks back from the regional stock exchanges. However, laughs Bernie Madoff, "The news of the death of off NYSE stock trading was premature." A very bright man, Madoff is successful because he knows what makes Wall Streeters tick and caters to their basic need. It is the battle to get or keep order flow-the lifeblood of a brokerage business. The giant brokerage firms take an attitude about a customer's order that this is their business and they want to execute it where it is most efficient and profitable for them. They want to cut out middlemen who are not their middlemen. Some bought exchange specialists or put up special super NYSE booths, but Madoff dismisses such efforts as mere "Band-Aids." The SEC would like to see the abolition or at least liberalization of NYSE Rule 390 which in the name of preventing market fragmentation, but severely limits how member firms can trade NYSE stocks off the exchange floor. "NYSE is very creative and has been delaying the inevitable-to allow their exchange members to trade with their own order flow and not pass it through a franchise where the order may be crossed with a competing firm and you don't get both the buy and the sell sides of the commission," says Madoff. "These huge firms are willing to take risks to accommodate their order flow so there is liquidity to execute orders and also possible trading profits from it." Trends have caused some giant brokers to rethink their relationships with the NYSE. On line trading is forcing full service firms to lower their commissions. How do they offset this? One easy way is to invest capital in trading and control more of their order flow. So today firms don't care as much where they do trading so long as it is efficient and cheap. That is why four giant firms approached tiny Madoff when outsiders might expect it happened the other way around. Madoff itself was facing a troubling trend. World stock pricing is going decimal and making the old issue of seeking price improvement for your customers very complicated. Spreads, which can now be in pennies, will become tiny and possible prices more numerous. Technology is also improving so orders can be exposed more widely than ever before was possible. "We'd like to believe we were the first ones to do price improvement, certainly on Nasdaq but even in the listed environment where we had a limit order mechanism to expose our orders," says Madoff. "NYSE exposed them in the auction on the floor; the regionals on their's. We built a system that electronically changed our quote and reflects it though ITS thoughout the broad market and we did the same thing on Nasdaq. However, the way we do it now, you change your quote, hang it out there for 30 seconds and wait--no pray--for an interaction is not going to work in a decimal environment. Wondering how to upgrade his vulnerable capability before U.S. decimalization of quotes hits, Peter Madoff had the firm buy the electronic auction concept Primex from its inventor, who retained a small part. Then Peter began to redesign it to make it user-friendly. There was no plan to seek any partners. The goal was to develop it in America and then bring it worldwide. The system could make it possible to expose your order to an unlimited universe of as many possible buyers as are out there. The idea was Primex should be open not just to Madoff customers, or just the NYSE 500 broker dealers but to everybody who wanted to enter quotes. This would include market makers in options and down the road the public who could access Primex over the Internet. Suddenly as the Madoffs redesigned Primex, Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch found out about it and joined the venture. Primex was a way for both to do price improvement in a decimal price environment and to make sure the order flow they internalize will be given the best possible process and competing exposure so they will be validated and not subject to conflict of interest charges. "Goldman Sachs and Merrill Lynch?" says Madoff. "Having them for initial partners was a dream for two little boys from Brooklyn." While pinching themselves to be sure they were awake, Smith Barney and Morgan Stanley also joined. Their partners were the four largest brokers in the world and together the five control about 60% of the U.S. order flow. Primex will trade NYSE as well as Nasdaq stocks. The plan is to get started in the USA and then expand it first to Europe, Latin America and then Asia. Preferably Primex will negotiate a way to use the primary markets NYSE and Nasdaq as vehicles if deals which make sense to the investors can he struck. Otherwise, regional exchanges should be happy to help or Primex could become an alternative market or ECN. Their famous partners removed the initial credibility concern. Whether trading on NYSE or Nasdaq, the four partners have a reputation for integrity and fairness in dealing with their customers. It will remain no matter where their orders flow, Primex could be the start of something big.

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z9k3aj/monthly_optimists_discussion_december_2022/).

skyvina

ITS DUAL INVESTMENTS LOLOL kucoin UI IS TRASH

FrostNetPoet3646

ITS A PIVOT! BUY BUY BUY! /s

Reddit5678912

It’s not a bear market! It’s crypto in its full potential. ITS USELESS to the average person. How much more time? More development? More security does it need? Supposedly it’s already better than USD. Yet it’s as useless as a pile of dirt to the average person. So would waiting for more development to change anything. To make it clearer. Crypto isn’t wanted, needed, or is useful to the masses. It’s here. It’s now yet all it does is crash. The ONLY time it pumps is when it pyramid schemes. That is it.

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z8aq27/daily_general_discussion_november_30_2022_gmt0/).

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z8aq27/daily_general_discussion_november_30_2022_gmt0/).

TeslaPills

NOt YOUR KEYS NOT YOUR COINS BOYS... ITS A TRAP

jaysun13

Doesn’t matter they make it seem like blockfi. ITS ON THE SAME TAB ON BLOCKFI WEBSITE

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/z7d8jz/daily_general_discussion_november_29_2022_gmt0/).

Kaffikup

so you just like KYC that much?? I will never understand why Eth chose to not go with the UTXO model. Literally everyone can see all your transactions with ETh is fucking terrible and now you can literally label your wallet as "HEY ITS ME WITH LIKE 1000 ETH COME ROB ME PLEASE, YOU KNOW MY NAME, HOW MUCH ETH I HAVE, AND EVERY TRANSACTION IVE EVER MADE!!!!!!"

Dilokilo

What a nice load of bs... You speak about the future like its's KNOW 100% FOR SURE A NEW ATH ON ITS WAY. You speak about mystakes yet you learned nothing from your mystakes... When will you realise that the hype that led us to 69k is long come and will never come back for so ma.y obvious reasons it's not even worth to list them... Keing being exit liquidity for traders who ACTUALLY make money while you watch the train pass... It's so amazing that nobody gives a shit about BTC at 15k-16k and don't buy even after seeing an ATH at 69k. The huge players don't realise it's the best deal of their lifes but you with you 3000 satoshis know better than them... You are dona be financially free.

UnrealizedLosses

Maybe worry less about us minnows and more about the frigging billionaires who just don’t pay taxes because they know the ITS won’t fight them?

69lana69

“ITS FUCKIN PRESCRIBED ASSHOLE I NEEEEEEED IT” *shakes adderall bottle*

heliogt2

They did the same thing with a US broker/dealer license as well- bought an existing US registered b/d in April 2022 (FTX Capital Markets LLC CRD 158816) [https://brokercheck.finra.org/firm/summary/158816](https://brokercheck.finra.org/firm/summary/158816) https://files.brokercheck.finra.org/firm/firm\_158816.pdf Still in good standing with SBF listed as an indirect owner. HIs CRD number is 6204632 if you're interested. How this passes FINRA's new membership application group is a question for...FINRA. They might also want to take a moment to suspend the Firm what with the recent developments and all. "THE FIRM AND SKYBRIDGE CAPITAL II, LLC ARE UNDER THE INDIRECT COMMON CONTROL AND OWNERSHIP OF SAM BANKMAN-FRIED. MR. BANKMAN-FRIED INDIRECTLY OWNS AND CONTROLS THE FIRM THROUGH HIS OWNERSHIP OF WEST REALM SHIRES FINANCIAL SERVICES, INC. MR. BANKMAN-FRIED ALSO INDIRECTLY OWNS AND CONTROLS SKYBRIDGE CAPITAL II THROUGH HIS 100% OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN PAPER BIRD INC., AND ITS WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY, ISLAND BAY VENTURES, INC. ISLAND BAY HAS A 30% OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN SKYBRIDGE CAPITAL II."

xrv01

metamask, infura, consensys, ethereum… ITS ALL OWNED BY THE SAME GUY

grmpfpff

I love how 1/3 of your entire article contains a warning about the probable total loss of your investment. 83 dollar liquidity on sunswap, ITS A TRAP! I don´t think that´s enough to get out of your bag lol

The_Chorizo_Bandit

That’s not the defence at all. FOLLOW THE DAMN CASE BEFORE YOU TALK BECAUSE ITS MAKING YOU LOOK LIKE A CLOWN. There are SEC documents LITERALLY in the court records of this case. If you won’t even do the basics of read the case filings then nobody can fix that level of stupid ignorance. You’re so clueless. You’ve shown it time and time again. You know zero about the case and every comment you make proves it further. You literally have said things that are factually incorrect (Ripple delaying, ETH designation not part of the case, etc.) and yet even when proven wrong you still double down and stick your head in the sand. Your ego is so fragile you can’t even fathom that you’re wrong, despite the pile of evidence showing how wrong you are. Your ‘arguments’ are pathetic and have more holes than Swiss cheese. Go away fool, you’ve embarrassed yourself enough for one day. 🤡😂

Harold_Kensington

You didn’t read my comments then, I’m literally explaining the difference in depth I’m not just shouting “ITS FINE” you’re right ppl were just saying FTX is fine for no reason I agree that’s bad. However the answer isn’t coming at good actors who are possible to decipher when you actually rationalize the details and why they’re different

CoverYourMaskHoles

It’s no optimism it’s just not letting FUD control my opinions. For instance, every goes OH MAN IF BINANCE FAILS ITS OVER!!! Well no not at all. If Binance fails it’s because they have fractional reserves. If they had fractional reserves it means that they were creating an economic multiplier greater than 1. This would mean that it’s collapse would be deflationary. Resetting what people THINK they own to what they actually own… once they know the truth they will undoubtedly eventually start to rebuild. And in crypto they will probably do this fast than you think.

SickRanchez_cybin710

They don't never learn, the top of the top probably pushes this so they can buy low sell high all the way to the bank. If I had the eyes and ears of the general population, you bet your ass I would be pushing agendas like this. Hey, sell your coins, it's going to crash (buys in), waits a few months, FUCK ME BUY BUY BUY ITS GOING CRAZY (sells for a good chunk of cash and laughs at all the idiots). The news is a tool, and it's power isn't always used to push ideas that benefit the public. Just sus out when most news stations mention crypto and then sus out when most people invested, and then sus the ath and the crashes. There is a good amount of correlation between them. Hence the rule: buy the fear sell the news.

kxlxxn

I love how this shit gets worse and worse. Oh, FTX insolvent? ah shit. OH WHAT, APPERENTLY THEY HACKED THEIR OWN EXCHANGE??? **ITS WAS ORDERED BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE BAHAMAS???** im not even trying to guess whats happening next anymore..

jabiscus

REVISITING EL SALVADOR A YEAR AFTER ITS BITCOIN ADOPTION [https://bitcoinmagazine.com/el-salvador-bitcoin-news/revisiting-el-salvador-bitcoin-year-later](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/el-salvador-bitcoin-news/revisiting-el-salvador-bitcoin-year-later) &#x200B; "We walk through the entrance to the mall into a large lobby and our faces light up. There must be at least a dozen telephone kiosks. We start asking. We don't give a damn about the rates or phone plans, all we need is connectivity. Unfortunately, however, no one wants our bitcoin. We go upstairs and then upstairs again. There are dozens of little stalls selling phone recharges, cheap smartphones, accessories and electronics. But no dice. When we say we can only pay in bitcoin they look at us in amazement. They are very polite and almost all apologize. But they react as if the very word “bitcoin” is something that belongs to a distant memory. As if it is something they haven't heard of in a very long time."

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ywdu9s/daily_general_discussion_november_16_2022_gmt0/).

cleverlane

MY GOD. They both have curly hair and a tight lipped smile. ITS UNCANNY.

cjcrypto86

Imagine CZ and his team shitposting for moons... AT LEAST ITS HONEST WORK!

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yuj5a2/daily_general_discussion_november_14_2022_gmt0/).

ErikTurtle

BUT THIS TIME ITS DIFFERENT. I don't really know what we expected to happen after a huge bull run like of 2020-2021. You don't get bull run after bull run every 6 months. Looking back at September 2021, it was stupid to believe anything but the bear market will happen.

Due-World2907

TLDR- HOLD ON YOUR FILLINGS ITS ABOUT TO GEY FUCKING UGLY P.S- Wen moon?

CointestMod

#Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments Below is an argument written by Blendzi0r which won 1st place in the Bitcoin Cash Con-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > # What is Bitcoin Cash (BCH)? > > Bitcoin Cash is a [hard fork](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hard-fork.asp) of Bitcoin. It was launched in 2017. [It has 32MB blocks instead of Bitcoin’s 1MB](https://www.coindesk.com/learn/2015/08/21/what-is-the-bitcoin-block-size-debate-and-why-does-it-matter/), so it can handle many more transactions per second (TPS). And that’s the main difference between BTC and BCH, as its goal was to tackle [Bitcoin’s scalability problem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_scalability_problem) without the second layer solutions. > > # What are the cons of BCH? > > **IT’S CENTRALIZED** > > BCH “inherited” BTC’s supply distribution from July 2017 when it was launched but the supply held by large addresses [has become more concentrated over time](https://coinmetrics.substack.com/p/coin-metrics-state-of-the-network-2d3) (while BTC is even more decentralized today). > > In 2019, [just two mining pools were able to perform a 51% attack](https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2019/05/24/bitcoin-cash-miners-undo-attackers-transactions-with-51-attack/). And although it was done for a good cause – to stop an unknown miner from exploiting a bug – it can serve as a prove that BCH was centralized already back then. > > &#x200B; > > **THE NARRATIVE IS ON BITCOIN’S SIDE** > > The value of Bitcoin has gone up more than 2,000% since July 2017 while BCH has stayed below its price from July 2017 most of the time, not to mention its [ATH price of $4,355](https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/) (it's 86% down from ATH as of 31.10.2021). > > Also liquidity and real-world usability of Bitcoin Cash [is nowhere near that of Bitcoin](https://www.investopedia.com/tech/bitcoin-vs-bitcoin-cash-whats-difference/#citation-4). It is clear that the great majority of investors chose Bitcoin after the 2017 hard fork and BCH is seen as an inferior copy. > > &#x200B; > > **IT HAD ITS OWN HARD FORKS** > > People cringe at Internet Computer’s name, but for me, Bitcoin Satoshi Vision (BSV) takes the cake. It’s a hard fork of Bitcoin Cash that took place in late 2018. It has even larger blocks than BCH – [2GB](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world-record-2-gigabyte-block-130000498.html). > > In 2020, there was another hard fork that produced two new chains- Bitcoin Cash ABC and Bitcoin Node. This shows that Bitcoin Cash has failed not only against Bitcoin, but had splits among its own community, further hurting its credibility. > > &#x200B; > > **IT'S SCALABILITY COMES AT A COST** > > Bigger blocks have certain [disadvantages](https://www.sfox.com/blog/is-bigger-better-how-to-evaluate-bitcoin-cash-based-on-block-size/). Running nodes when the blocks are big requires more resources. Also, the commissions from transaction fees are lower, which makes mining the coin less appealing. This might result in nodes being manageable only by big, private companies, making BCH even more centralized. > > &#x200B; > > **ITS MAIN ADVANTAGE ISN’T UTILIZED…** > > Although BCH’s blocks can handle up to 32MB of data, [they have not reached even 2MB since they were introduced in 2018](https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-btc-bch.html#3y). What's more, their average size is currently much lower than that of Bitcoin’s blocks. > > Taking into consideration the point above about the disadvantages of bigger blocks, it makes you wonder why BCH would push for such big blocks when most of the time they don't even use 3% of their capacity. > > &#x200B; > > **… AND EVEN IF IT WAS, THERE'S LIGHTNING NETWORK** > > [SegWit](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/segwit-segregated-witness.asp) allows second layer solutions to be implemented on Bitcoin. One of those solutions is Lightning Network which has become very popular recently after being [adopted by El Salvador](https://bitcoinmagazine.com/markets/lightning-network-bitcoin-usage-adoption-el-salvador) and [Twitter](https://www.theblockcrypto.com/post/118450/twitter-rolls-out-bitcoin-tipping-for-ios-users-via-lightning-looks-to-nfts-for-the-future). > > Lightning Network effectively eliminates the main advantage of Bitcoin Cash by allowing faster and cheaper transactions with bitcoins. Even if BCH fully utilized its 32MB blocks, it wouldn't be able to compete with Lightening Network. > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ > > **SUMMARY** > > Bitcoin Cash is a much worse store of value than Bitcoin and now it is also losing the electronic cash narrative, since the growing adoption of [Lightning Network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Network) makes Bitcoin a much cheaper and faster payment option. ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/ovmtsi/rcc_cointest_coin_inquiries_bitcoin_cash/) to be taken to the original topic-thread or you can scan through the [Cointest archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Bitcoin_Cash) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds. Since this is a con-argument, what could be a better time to promote the Skeptics Discussion thread? You can find the latest thread [here](/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/yqzprc/daily_general_discussion_november_10_2022_gmt0/).

GoPikachuGo1

All this is is an amazing SALE. I loved it at 64k I GOTTA HAVE IT AT 15k! ITS GOING TO THE MOON BABY

throwawayLouisa

> "i mean, you basically just said "nu-uh" and offered nothing valid, are demonstrating key misunderstandings of money, finance, and even the computer technology underlying this industry... and are very passionately trying to defend your stance and the ignorance that created it" Your comments persist in insult and attempted diversions to the personal, yet do not identify any line in the theory as invalid. Unless you can identify a specific line in n the theory as invalid, it continues to stand. Currently it stands. You have not identified a source of an unproductive semi-liquid Store of Value which could double Bitcoin's value in the four years following it exceeding the value of all gold threefold. Nor where it would find six times that only four years later. Nor where it would find twelve times that only four years after that. Then twenty four. Etc. Soooo... BITCOIN DIES BY ITS OWN HAND BY 2044

throwawayLouisa

People have now ***definitely*** noticed that you joined a sub thread to attempt to divert it, could not find a fault in the statement's logic, then left with a departing insult, still not having disproved that BITCOIN DIES BY ITS OWN HAND BY 2044

throwawayLouisa

You're rather transparently attempting to divert this sub thread to another coin that wasn't mentioned at all. People start to notice that you're doing that. This isn't my first rodeo, so I'll pull it back to the subject in hand: Bitcoin is an unproductive asset. Once its price has absorbed the Value of any remaining equally-unproductive assets, its marketcap stops rising. That's where it ends. From that point onwards, Price does not increase. Security then drops with each Halving. The game is up. It ends. BITCOIN DIES BY ITS OWN HAND BY 2044

throwawayLouisa

Bitcoin is an unproductive asset. Once its price has absorbed the Value of any remaining equally-unproductive assets, its marketcap stops rising. That's where it ends. From that point onwards, Price does not increase. Security then drops with each Halving. The game is up. It ends. BITCOIN DIES BY ITS OWN HAND BY 2044

throwawayLouisa

You make an error in your first sentence. The inflation does decrease, but the price must have increased to have maintained security, for Bitcoin BTC to have stayed secure. Your reply does not explain, at all, from where Bitcoin can source an inflow of funds to double its Value again after already exceeding the Value Of All Gold Threefold. Your argument is invalid. BITCOIN DIES BY ITS OWN HAND BY 2044

twoforty_

ITS HAPPENING…. Again

throwawayLouisa

Why would they sell their housing investments, which pay dividends, to buy Bitcoin, which doesn't? Why would they sell their stock investments, which pay dividends, to buy Bitcoin, which doesn't? Why indeed would they break the golden investment rule of diversification anyway? Especially since that still only gives Bitcoin ad another few years of breathing room after it exceeds the value of gold threefold? Not exactly something for a pension company to invest in. As I said, you're deeply into Dutch Tulip Mania territory here. BITCOIN DIES BY ITS OWN HAND BY 2044

twoforty_

ITS HAPPENING!!!! again

dimilokis

Let the haters come. LET THEY SAY ITS NOT. We bought the bottom my friends while they are waiting for $20 SOL, $10k BTC, $500 ETH... LMAO LMAO LMAO

itcouldbefrank

This is my last reply, because without a doubt I am taking with a child here. >You were the one who raised Linux, not me. You asked about how bitcoin can sustain its network security and I raised it as an example of a software project that is essential to the world and is open source, decentralised and is financed by different stakeholders - from private sector to government to non profits. I know it is kinda of hard to see the bigger picture when you are fixated to BuT 3 TpS PeR SeCOnD!!! >It's stunningly more efficient than Bitcoin, so can credibly be funded though donations. Linux is only partly funded through donations. Big tech has actually employees on the payroll who only do open source Linux development. Why? Because their fucking business rely on it. If countries want to do global settlements in non-western currencies they will happily pay to keep hash rate going. If Visa has 10% of its volume being funded in BTC they will happily pay to keep hash rate going. If Bitcoin is a better way to fund developing countries or places of conflict the IMF, EBRD, UN will happily contribute to the hash rate. See how this makes sense? >You just entirely made those numbers up. You are clueless, I don't know why I am losing my time with this. A single user can be a financial company that only transacts once per day to settle or snapshot. That one transaction can be the result of a thousand or a million transactions FROM ITS USERS. This is pretty much how layer 2 works. You don't need to on chain transactions for a freaking coffee or even a car. But once there have been ten thousand coffees in your system you settle them on chain. >Yes it is. I read its creator's white paper. That's exactly what he intended. A peer to peer version of electronic cash. This is perhaps the most low key argument and when you know you are not talking to an adult. It's been 14 years since the white paper. I know it is hard to understand but this is not a legal document or a contract - it is an academic paper on a new idea. Everything, like LITERALLY everything that had worldwide impact has evolved from an original thesis. >Dude... Bitcoin BTC has only 1/10th of the capacity to do that just once per night for every commercial bank branch in the world - it's that pathetically unscaleable. You understand that say to settle between 5 parties you might only need one transaction, right? Keep that thought. Now, for settlement between national banks you don't want all that hash power to protect you - it's an overkill. This can be done in other layers and have the FINAL settlement say between countries or economic blocs on base layer. There is enough bandwidth to facilitate those. >That's nothing whatsoever to do with Bitcoin dying at its own hand by 2044 I am explaining to you my why the fuck a country's central bank or a big business will have the incentive to subsidise the hash rate like they do in Unix development. >Bitcoin can get stuffed. If anyone wants to use it, then use it - but pay for it yourselves. Don't come stealing our money like communists. Which little pig should I look out for on my doorstep? Napoleon or Trotsky? They can get stuffed. Nobody is stealing money. When a country for example pays for foreign aid it pays to keep a region stable. An unstable country can export anything from war to a pandemic that will cost more in longer term. It all makes financial sense but this kind of thinking totally eludes you. My proposition is similar in nature but it is difficult for you to understand because you are simple minded. Nice touch with the communist nonsense, really cements my thesis that you are an utter idiot. While we are at it, you think that your pathetic taxes can cover for all the things you get to enjoy and take for granted in your pathetic life? You were born into debt and you will die into one. You are standing on the shoulders of giants and get to enjoy things others payed sometimes with their own lives decades before you were even born. Note: no proof read to the above text, you are not worth it.