PAY

Renowned_Molecule

Owning BRICS PAY is like saying ripple could own SWIFT. SWIFT is not something someone can acquire.

Scouper-YT

You are messed up If this Coin goes down ever heard of Interest to PAY??

Top_Mind9514

Obviously, I did, and I questioned your ability to actually read and write. Oh, by the way, you also WROTE 1/10tb… and NOT 1/10th, like I did, because I PAY ATTENTION TO “what I read and write”. Obviously you’re a troll and don’t take any constructive criticism OR RESPONSIBILITY for yourself.

SlayBoredom

They don't want or can't understand. Either BTC is a Currency... but then people should use it to PAY FOR THINGS. Literally nobody does that, for good reason. Then they say it's a stock.. but what Equity doesn't produce anything of RL-Value? lol. Then it's Gold... I mean ok, I can live with that analogy, but Gold is Gold. You can't copy Gold and get Gold 2.0 which is exactly like Gold 1.0. But you can with Bitcoin. Just copy the code.

_SlipperySalmon_

FUCK FIAT! bITcOiN iSnT rEAl Fuck right off!!! Your pieces of paper ran out of the latest HQ laserjet pro are meaningless! EARN FIAT, PAY INCOME TAX, PAY SALES TAX, PAY PROPERTY TAX... THEN WHATEVER MEASLEY AMOUT YOU WALK AWAY WITH THEY MAKE YOU PAY CAPITAL EFFING GAINS TAX. PLUS IF YOU'VE MIRACULOUSLY ENDED UP AHEAD THEY JUST DILUTE IT BY REPLACING THAT LASERJET INK CATRIDGE AND LETTING IT RIP and yet bitcoin isn't real..... Wake up everyone letssss goooooo

uncleshady

Yeah it's absolutely wild to think Trump's plan is to PAY anything, ever. I'm not unconvinced he's decided to abandon controlling money and decided he can BECOME money. Puts on USD.

moneymenz619

Moon pay is bullshit.. then they ask you for fucking bank statements are shit.. lock ur account. They don’t give a fuck about self employed or people you make money in crypto. DO NOT USE MOON PAY!

_RonPaulWasRight_

Oh nice retort, hard to argue with that one. Seriously, your post is an advertisement masquerading as a legitimate post. And that's in violation of the sub's rules and should be taken down. What if every post was an ad like this? Reddit would be nothing but ads! You're in the wrong place for that. If you want to post ads, BUY the ad space and PAY for it! By the way, are you getting a commission on any of these book sales? You should disclose that if you're going to advertise. MODS. TAKE THIS DOWN!!!

EtherLust

What level of corruption do you think is acceptable? You can’t be serious? Imagine working and paying an insane amount of taxes and being told social security isn’t going to be there when I retire BUT I STILL GOTTA PAY IT…… Then there’s a list read out about millions of people being 200 years old and then some dick head tries to argue with you about how does that impact me or why do I even care? You can’t possibly be serious?

JerryLeeDog

No. I'm saying that when the 2% card is available I will switch to that. II use USD cash back (2-6% back) CCs for everything But then I use the current Fold Debit Card to PAY OFF my CCs that I use for everything. This is free Bitcoin ON TOP OF the USD you already get back. Try to swallow your pride and take some advice. It's literally free money friend. And yes, I have multiple rental properties that require a high amount of annual spend.

JWillCHS

Right. Someone recently talked about struggling to sell some of their Bitcoin even after years of stacking a good amount. And one thing I learned with my paycheck and with profitable invests; I ALWAYS PAY MYSELF. After putting money to the essentials in my life I make sure to pay myself for my work and patience. I’m not going to sell everything. But just like how I would use Bitcoin in a Satoshi dominated world, I am going to do it today. I’ve spent Bitcoin on vacations, home upgrades, medical bills, and even charity. Still, I’m accumulating BTC.

gameison007

Maybe I'm wrong here, BUT MY CONCERN WOULD BE THAT IF TRUMP DOES GET A NATIONAL RESERVE OF BITCOIN THE ONLY WAY HE CAN GET HIS HANDS ON IT IS WHEN PEOPLE SELL IT AND THEY HAVE TO PAY CAPITAL GAINS TAXES ON IT AND THAT HE WOULD PROBABLY INCREASE THE CAPITAL GAINS TAX ON IT. I DON'T TRUST TRUMP 🧐🤔

Due-Candy-8929

You do know that if you are an American you pay THE AMERICAN TAXES TRUMP PUT IN RIGHT??? Canadians PAY THE CANADIAN TARRIFFS…. Trumps tarriffs mean AMERICAN businesses pay more for what the IMPORT and then they pass that cost on to YOU. Canadian tarriffs mean when you try to sell your American products Canadian businesses have to pay a tax to the Canadian government and then pass that tax on top of it… The Canadian tarriffs might deter Canadians from buying whatever you are selling.

ilovesaintpaul

2. Increase American manufacturing? Sure! That takes FUCKING years you moron. In the meantime, ppl still need their goods, but the producers have to sell at 25% more just to make what they were before. What happens? \*WE\* PAY THE 25% more. Yes, it can be temporary, but in the meantime, if that the long-term playbook, you better put your money in bitcoin and gold, because there will be double-digit inflation. I mean, hey, call me out on this. If this transpires exactly the way I've explained, I will cut up my dirty underwear worn for a week and eat it and send you the video. This is how fucking goddam confident this will happen if he doesn't play this right.

inter71

A 3.5% mortgage is free money. DO NOT PAY OFF TGE HOUSE. Be patient. Your BTC is out performing your debt.

Amber_Sam

>btc endgame will also be something where rich entities have control over the network (rich, in terms of hashrate instead of amount of btc owned) The Blocksize War book will explain how some scammers like Roger thought the hashrate controls the network. It doesn't. Miners work for the network. They work for us. They get paid in bitcoin and convert** it to fiat because they HAVE TO PAY for the energy** they used. POS isn't anything new, it's about 10 years older than Bitcoin. Cypherpunks didn't like it already in 1998 when Bmoney was introduced. The reason is, as you already know, it centralizes the control to the rich. The rich earn the most of the coins and don't** have to convert it to fiat**, they will keep accumulating the coins to earn even more coins.

rismay

I have a Chivo wallet. It sucks. Even with the lightning network it’s SLOW. And it makes no sense to PAY every transaction. You don’t need to PAY for every dollar transaction. That’s like if you paid an ATM fee every transaction.

sixty9shadesofj

Move all the coins and make the government PAY!!!

Permtacular

One thing I will mention. Someone PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I HAVE BAD INFORMATION. You should buy BTC and keep it in a cold wallet, but if you ALSO buy BTC ETF's in a ROTH IRA, as you withdraw from it when you retire, you WILL NOT PAY ANY GAINS ON YOUR BITCOIN. So, if you buy ETF's at $60 a share now, and when you retire, they are worth $6000 a share, you can withdraw that money without paying any capital gains taxes. That is the beauty of a Roth IRA. You are limited on how much you can put into a Roth IRA each year. And it must be a Roth IRA. No other type of IRA has these rules.

donclark-Atlanta

Its not clear to me exactly how to do 'BILL PAY'. I understand how to do this with any of my banking apps. How do I add a person, a utility, or any bill that I receive in the mail? I did a search on the web and have not found an answer yet. This looked like he used an iPhone, which I am not familiar with the UI. Maybe we need an Android demo?

donclark-Atlanta

Its not clear to me exactly how to do 'BILL PAY'. I understand how to do this with any of my banking apps. How do I add a person, a utility, or any bill that I receive in the mail? I did a search on the web and have not found an answer yet. This looked like he used an iPhone, which I am not familiar with the UI. Maybe we need an Android demo?

fistfucker07

The only centralized service that does what ripple does is called swift. Swift is 60+ years old tech. It takes at least three days to complete one transaction. Xrp ledger takes five seconds. So that same money can be used over and over all day. Every day. Not locked up for three days. Not only that, it settles the transaction in five seconds. Meaning both parties have their value, and both parties know that the transaction was successful in five seconds. Banks have no way to do this without ripplenet. Swift charges 10% of total value. To send a billion costs 100 million. Xrp ledger can do it faster and cheaper. Think of email. It’s faster, but it’s not just that. Email allows you to speak to anyone on the planet who has a computer nearly Instantly. Xrp will allow you to PAY anyone who has access to a computer all over the world, in five seconds. This will remove the friction in the banking system. It will “speed up” money. Tl:dr Xrp is faster and cheaper than anything else.

fistfucker07

serious question. HOW DO WE PAY FOR THE RESERVE? Seriously. Do we print money and buy it? Causing massive inflation and hurting the citizens of the country? Or do we use tax money. Meaning raise taxes to pay for it? And next question; If we can AFFORD to do this, why not JUST PAY THE DEBT?

Undertraderpg

It's made up bullshit. It's a video game. Just the fact that there are 350 crypto currencies and anyone can just make them willy nilly should show people it's a giant stupid grift. Since you PAY real money to get imaginary money, who do you think is getting rich off of crypto? It's grifters taking real money from suckers.

Geeksus_

Nah man, It Will be a seed phrase hunt 100% lol YOU HAVE TO PAY TAXES

Comar31

Buttcoiner: YOU HAD 15 YEARS AND YOU STILL CAN'T PAY FOR MILK BITCOIN FAILED

Tebundo

HODL MOFO's!!! It will PAY OFF BIG TIME in the near future.

bottomupbitcoin

Yes, any Lightning Wallet can pay at Pick N Pay BUT ONLY in combination with the CryptoQR app. Blink is the only wallet (for now) that can PAY DIRECTLY by scanning the PnP QR without the need for CryptoQR app. It's a major improvement for UX, but I'm not going to waste more time with you as it's clear to me what you are.

Carlos_Crypto

That’s great cashback there. You pay a monthly fee in fiat and get nothing in returns, except their useless shit coin, which you can’t sell and it’s locked forever. But you can pay ransom money, another x-amount of money for their chad level (1000PLU) and you need to keep it for another 90 days. In this time the CEO and Crew can cash out and definitely they will change their mind again and you will loose everything. This company is 100% PAY TO LOOSE

Pacman_Frog

Okay so here's what I would personally do in your situation. First. Get a ColdCard and watch some Youtube videos on using it to generate and secure a cold wallet. Thus is where your "Keep it until bitcoin is bigger" stack will go. Put 1.5 into this cold wallet. ONLY TAKE ADVICE PUBLICALLY. AND DO NOT, I REPEAT DO NOT DO WHAT ANYONE TELLS YOY.IN.DM. Once you have the cold wallet and seed phrase. You have all the goods in a safe place. Never ever let a camera see, a microphone hear, or save your seed phrase anywhere digitally. The remaining .5 btc, set up a wallet on your phone. This will be your hot wallet. This is the money you have you can actually use. Considering .5 btc is enough to buy a Prius brand new it should be plenty. Don't go rushing to spend it. Dear God do not gamble it. Feel out ways to handle it. Use exchanges to turn it into regular cash for spending but remember to PAY TAXES on whatever you sell for cash.

stateofbidet

90% of illegal fentanyl is seized at official border crossings by people who are authorized to cross that border, the majority of those being United States Citizens. Undocumented immigrants also buy things and pay sales taxes, and very large numbers of them also have federal and state tax withholding in their paychecks. IIRC they either overstay visas or have ITINs they use to pay taxes. They also aren't entitled to things like Social security/disability payouts so they're not even getting anything out of it. However, it does not rile up the voting base if you loudly proclaim "WE WILL GIVE A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP TO IMMIGRANTS ALREADY PAYING TAXES AND PARTICIPATING IN THE ECONOMY" vs appealing to fear and anger via "ILLEGAL ALIENS DONT PAY TAXES AT ALL AND THEY'RE SENDING US INSANE ASYLUM PATIENTS AND ENTIRE GANGS AND THEY'RE MURDERING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EVERY YEAR WITH FENTANYL" The real total in 2024 is around 25 murders by undocumented immigrants. If you add fentanyl to that total you might hit hundreds of thousands, but again, the vast vast majority of those deaths get their illegal fentanyl from someone who is authorized to cross the border and chooses to traffic. on a related note: One of the VP candidates this cycle has a mother who struggled and beat an opiod addiction. He usually follows this with rhetoric about the southern border and fentanyl. Just wanted to point out that she became addicted to pain pills at her nursing job and followed that up with heroin after she was caught. The VP candidate tries to make it sound like she's 100% a victim of undocumented immigrants though. Also, I am glad she was able to make a full recovery, as our country's reaction to Opiod and other addictions will be a stain on our legacy for decades to come.

OriginalFluff

Cherry picking stats and also, this only makes sense after your first house. You do need to PAY for living haha

fading319

They lost my interest and respect when they came up with their own shitty version of SWIFT; 'BRICS PAY'. This was **the** opportunity to use Bitcoin, but no, they have to copy-paste a 50 year old system with many flaws. And I've heard they're also talking about releasing their own shitcoin sometime in the future. Hard pass.

PM_ME_YOUR_BOO_URNS

"Bitcoin has no real life use cases, it's a money laundering scheme, a solution looking for a problem" \*Buys groceries with bitcoin\* "ARE YOU STUPID WHY DID YOU PAY WITH BITCOIN"

SmoothGoing

Healthcare is not a right, it is a service you must pay for. No one is responsible for taking care of you, except you. Taxes pay for some citizenship privileges like national defense. Health professionals don't go through medical school to then be conscripted to serve your sickly needs. You need to PAY them to take care of you and you need to PAY for your medications. If you get sick you want to be taken care of. If I get sick and it leads me to financial ruin.. well? where are you? Are you going to pay for all the shit that I need?

clownfacedbozo

We need that proposed tax hike to triple. And to immediately increase pay for non skilled workers to $25-30/hour. MAKE THE RICH PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE.

lordinov

That’s ridiculous. So let’s face this scenario. I’m a long term holder and this year I’ve made 20% unrealised gains, I pay tax, next year my gains disappear, because of a bear market and if I may have to sell, I sell for less gains, break even or even at a loss AND PAY TAX on top of that? Lmao.

iamjacksragingupvote

BECAUSE THEY PAY OUR POLITICIANS TO DESIGN THE TAX CODE AND / OR CHANGE IT omg stop being a bitch for billionaires. you are going to doom us all

TheLelouchLamperouge

The comments here just reinforce that a LOT of you guys know Jack shit about the markets. OG Bitcoiners used to understand macroeconomics and at the very least, hence the reason they’re bitcoiners. Now it just seems you guys only pay attention to price action with no actual bearing on what may or may not be the reasons for these swings in price. Fucking PAY ATTENTION TO MORE THAN JUST THE PRICE OF BITCOIN!!!! FYI the fed just hinted to basically a guaranteed rate cut today. This small pump is a market reaction to that. Those who are complaining or calling bullshit seriously need to do some more reading. This isn’t a catalyst on its own but the price action is a market reaction to the news. This is a rate cut priced in.

Funny-Arugula5816

"*⁠It has failed as a currency.* " It's like saying (prematurely) in 1993 that the internet has failed as movie streaming technology. Since 10 years now it has succeeded (look at all the streaming platforms: nobody downloads movies anymore: everyone streams them). In 1993 you had to wait a simple PICTURE to load in MINUTES: imagine a full movie. BTC as a currency can only be judged as such IF and WHEN it will be adopted by an wide enough number of people globally. It's its END STATE, not its START state. I personally am satisfied with its medium term store of value functionality. But I don't rule out the currency functionality just because TODAY it's not in a position to be that. "*Its volatility is extreme.* " That's its ADOPTION mechanism. If it had been invented by a government, the government would have imposed its adoption (top-down), and invested in its infrastructure: therefore, no need for independent adoption mechanisms. The state would have done everything (JUST LIKE THE INTERNET! Directly, or via subsidies to companies that built the infrastructure). In the absence of a government-driven adoption, the way BTC gets adopted is through booms (followed by cyclical busts) triggered by the halving, because that's the main thing that make the news and then incentivize those whoe read the news, so they are drawn towards it to adopt it as monetary technology that is not sponsored by the government nor headed by any other regular private organisation. To adopt this technology is, BY DEFINITION, to put money on the table. To adopt skype, you simply had to download the app for free, use it, and enjoy its telecommunication utility. To adopt a monetary technology is BY DEFINITION not something you do for free. The more utility you want to get from it (preservation or increase of value) the more you need to PAY (= INVEST). And so the **financial incentive** is the only and most effective adoption mechanism. It's a feature, not a bug. If and when the adoption is well spread across the population, its volatility declines (it's already happening) until it becomes much stabler and it CAN function as a currency and cash payment system, as originally designed (THE END STATE). "*Transactions are slow and expensive, and the transaction volume is inherently unscalable.* " Again, feature, not a bug. Also, this is a Layer 2 aspect. For the store of value/preservation of wealth functionality, you don't need SUPERfast scalable transactions (can you do that with gold? No. As a matter of fact, BTC is better than gold, from that perspective). Expensive? not true, it's quite often VERY CHEAP (you can move BILLIONS for virtually nothing). And then, as I said, for faster and less expensive transactions, you have Layer 2s. "Supplementary protocols like Lightning are fundamentally flawed. " Need to elaborate, because this is just a claim, not a demonstration. But even if, this is a very recent monetary technology with no governmental infrastructure support. It can definitely resolve whichever "flaw" is implied in this claim. "Usability for consumers is generally terrible." Same answer. Need to elaborate + very early stage with no public infrastructural support, time will tell, premature claim.

Chambana_Raptor

How dumb would you have to be to think those MAGAts stormed the capitol just to take "some pictures in Pelosis office and shit". That makes no sense given the context **captured on video**. They were **clearly** there to interfere in the counting of the electoral college votes and (attempt to) prevent Vice President Pence from certifying the results. PAY ATTENTION. I'll spell it out so even someone as dense as a MAGAt can understand. [Transcript of Trump's speech on January 6th](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial) Notable excerpts: >We took them by surprise and this year they rigged an election. They rigged it like they've never rigged an election before. Context: False claim that the election was "rigged", intended to emotionally incite those present and cast doubt on our democratic process. Note that this claim was later proven objectively false, and that Trump already knew that he lost legitimately. **He lied anyways**. >All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved. Context: Repeat of the false claim in order to continue stoking an emotional response and take advantage of [attentional bias](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentional_bias). Then he slips in the suggestion; "**You don't concede**". >We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal. Context: Continue to stoke an emotional response, then he strengthens the conditioning to insinuate, "YOU came up with this idea! Now go do it!" Textbook manipulation. >(Audience chants: "Fight for Trump.") ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION STILL or did your eyes gloss over from interpreting actual information for once? Instead of being spoonfed your worldview from a megalomaniac and his sycophants at Fox? >And Rudy, you did a great job. He's got guts. You know what? He's got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican Party. He's got guts. He fights, he fights. Context: "Be good like Rudy! He *pleases me*. He **fights**! >...I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so. Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We're supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution. States want to revote. The states got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people. Context: Pin all the responsibility on one party to suggest there is a simple, actionable plan to change the results. By the way, literally none of "All he has to do..." onward is correct. All lies. All intentional; intended to provoke an emotional response and steer the crowd towards Trump's desired outcome. >We're gathered together in the heart of our nation's capital for one very, very basic and simple reason: To save our democracy. PAY ATTENTION. He's misdirecting by obscuring "fighting democracy" as "saving democracy". TEXTBOOK MANIPULATION. ...I'm going to skip a lot because we will literally be here all day. Also, I'm guessing this is the most any of you MAGAts have ever read before, and your brains probably hurt. >And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. PAY ATTENTION. **It is so obvious**! >So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we're going to the Capitol, and we're going to try and give. The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. **Where the crowd promptly murdered federal officers, broke into the capitol building, and attempted to force their way into the congressional chamber where the certification was taking place.** Which Trump allowed for **187 minutes**, until it was clear he wasn't going to get his way. Then he did a half-ass attempt at reconciliation, where he didn't even condemn the behavior: >These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Then, and only then, did he tell people to "go home". *What a moral leader!* Context: **Definition of Coup**: *a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government*. Okay, so now we're clear that the January 6th riot **was** an attempted coup by then-president Donald Trump and his supporters, let's talk about [the fake electors plot](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot), which was **also** an attempted subvertion of the democratic process and proof that **MAGA's cult leader was the one trying to steal the election**. I'm *really* looking forward to your well-thought out, properly sourced, and nuanced rebuttal of these indisputable facts. Followed by your apology and admission of misguidedness. Then, as the cherry on top, your attempt at righting the wrongs of your ignorant past by condemning Trump and his MAGA movement as the neo-fascist, un-American garbage that it is. And make it sincere, by the way. We're on the internet; I'd hate for your grandkids to see your shame so publicly when they read this excerpt in their history books...and wonder how they could share genes with someone so shockingly incompetent at critical thinking. (But there's still time to be on the right side of history! Good luck)

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Osmosith

cap gains? # WHY NOT UNREALIZED GAINS? Don't you want to PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE to politician paychecks and some wars?

Promeeetheus

I agree but I think it's a Bankruptcy rule thing. They exited before the class, presumably / possibly with insider info, so they are clawing back the revenue. It's like people / vendors who got paid before the bankruptcy having to pay back the PAY and then get in line with everyone else. I've been on the vendor side of that, it sucks, we had to give back 15k and get back in line for partial repayment of our 15k. We ended up with 5-6k from the bankruptcy trustee a year later.

Edawgii

listen man, there is no such thing as recover experts. DO NOT PAY THEM UPFRONT OR PAY THEM AT ALL! you can do this yourself. all recovery groups are scammers I dont care how legit they look. please, dont get scammed again

Benjamincito

Dollar cost average into the assets you believe the most in, be consistent year after year As a smaller business owner that means PAY YOURSELF

PandorasBucket

Why do you have to show proof of funds if you are going to be paid to do something? None of this makes any sense. Also if someone needs proof of funds (for some crazy reason) send them a screen shot. Actually paying someone is not proof, it's a payment. Another thing is if you are paying a contractor then never pay someone the whole amount for anything up front. Typical is half an half, but you that doesn't even make sense here. If you are doing the work you don't pay someone. They PAY YOU.

WilliamBott

Wait, you're gonna PAY ME $12 per coin I get?? BACK THE TRUCK UP!!

nickoaverdnac

Pay for bank accounts? When you deposit into an account with a minimum balance requirement you are effectively giving the bank an interest free loan. PAY US.

Tvmouth

Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club \[THE MOVIE\] is.. **Impossible** to find in digital format, last I was asked. It's been years since i've been surrounded by "hey, can you find this (digital thing)?". Making "money" on "pirated" anything is kinda... not the point of piracy... so good luck. **The short version is, be useful or don't bother... nobody is looking for ANOTHER way to PAY for streaming ANYTHING right now.** *But if they were, it's probably private Plex server type something or other.*

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Rice-Fragrant

I sold 1 entire bitcoin to do the same thing 3 years ago (payed off my mortgage). I HAVE ZERO REGRETS because after I was 100% debt free WITH A PAYED OFF HOUSE, I had virtually ZERO STRESS about the market price action and I developed TRUE  💎 ✋️ and sleep like a baby.  I use cash app and get payed in bitcoin, instead of a mortgage, I PAY MYSELF and my savings rate went from 20% gross income (when I had a mortgage) to now 50-55% gross income. It's a totally different reality when you're debt free and pay yourself rather than creditors. Around this same time I went full bitcoin only and dumped all my 💩 🪙. My stacking has increased massively and it feels like my actual quality of life has easily gone up 50% or more.  My normie fiat minded relatives can't figure out how I have a higher networth than them even though they earn 2x more than me and are "better educated" than me.... SIMPLE, I AM NO LONGER A DEBT SLAVE AND I AM NO LONGER ON THE FIAT STANDARD. Debt slavery is a fiat construct and I am NEVER GOING BACK! People enslaved to debt are not free to truly do what they want... constantly stressing over their job, their lives etc. Some people here have taken out a 2nd mortgage, ran up 2-3 credit cards, borrowed from family etc to buy bitcoin. If like in 2014, 2018, 2022 in a bear market, these people develop 📃 ✋️ and panic sell at a massive lose... or their relationship with friends and relative who they borrowed from deteriorate. Don't be a fiat debt slave... when you're debt free and with frugality, your rate of stacking with be supercharged. I was able to stack 1BTC from 2 years of #GETONZERO fiat, zero budget. I only hold fiat only on payday for a few hours to pay off bills and anything left over is dumped for bitcoin.  Normie debt slaves stack debt, they will remain enslaved to fiat parasites and the fiat mindset.

Glum_Blacksmith_6389

Broski, unsolicited advice: 1) if your country is ok with crypto and taxes it, you’re fine. DO PAY THE TAX. Show bank tax proof. 2) if you feel like you can’t do that. Open a bank account in Dubai. They allow crypto transactions. (A mate of mine did it. Country he lives in is grey on crypto. CEX he was on wouldnt let him withdraw to his home country.) 3) google wont give you unsolicited advice, keep asking.

Still_Lobster_8428

You do understand that projects PAY to be listed on CEX's..... right?  Think it's $80k to list on Binance, plus $60k of the token.  Being listen on a CEX gives the appearance of legitimacy,  the reality however is that the project just paid a boatload on money in exchange they purchased the appearance of legitimacy.  And it doesn't take hindsight.... it was LITERALLY laid out in LUNA/UST's white paper exactly how the mechanism worked to maintain the stablecoin peg! The math made the ASSUMPTION that value in the ecosystem was in a CLOSED loop. Anyone who bothered to read it and actually PROCESS how that mechanism would work in the real world immediately saw the fundamental flaw in it when it came to a situation that put fear into holders in that ecosystem.... a certain % of them WOULD be guaranteed to stampede for the exits and that would cripple the mechanism and cause a significant % to further leave once the mechanism failed to hold the peg. Once that happened, it was always going to result in a run away minting death spiral!  It was with good reason I didn't touch LUNA or UST with a single $!  It was a steaming pile of dog shit from the start that was obscured by some fast talking from the cult leader in charge of it, who's own ego and hubris directly caused how bad it unwound! He fuckin KNEW the risk was there, but he deliberately discounted it as it fell outside the mean and wouldn't be a problem unless it became a problem!  You can't have a SYSTEMATIC fault in your system and then discount it..... it's a fuckin SYSTEMATIC fault! That means they entire system is just waiting to IMPLODE, while everyone HOPES it doesn't!  The fuckin height of arrogance!  And here we are.... systemic failure!  Why TF would anyone trust that shit! The fact so many did, tells me clearly that most people are crowd followers and AREN'T  really doing their own due diligence!  The fact a heap of people "trusted" it is meaningless, it just speaks volumes about the lack of weight I would attribute to those peoples judgement in my own due diligence! 

All_The_Good_Stuffs

Yah, uuuuuhh that's the risk you take when ~~GAMBLING~~ UH I mean ***INVESTING*** ***IT'S THE PRICE YOU PAY TO POSSIBLY GET MORE BACK***

Express-Composer-778

Well that’s what you get for paying your predominantly fixed cost of electricity with a deflationary asset in a bear market…. Of course they are fiat backed loans… welcome to capital markets. Look at the s&p500 rn, how do you think that happened? Only way companies and the economy can grow is by taking in debt, with interest rates at near ath, as well as all the random items congress mixes up into our basket of goods for gdp( commodities) how does one expect to not get eaten alive by rates… BY BUYING BEAT UP ASSETS WITH THE DEBT THEY JUST TOOK ON AND GRINDING FOR EXTRA CASH TO PAY IT DOWN WHILE DIAMOND HANDING THEM GOLDEN TENDIES GDAHMNNNIT

Impressive-Handle-69

PAY OFF DEBTS, DONT USE CREDIT, KEEP EVERYTHING 100% PAID OFF. Wish I could follow my own advice, but this damned economy....

Otherwise-Trifle892

Don't listen to the debby downers, it's actually a really good book. My favourite part is where he say PAY YOURSELF FIRST. That's my motto now, Assets first then Debtors, Liabilities second. It's a good book and I don't believe he's in debt tbh. Maybe to the world he is ;)

BigTimeButNotReally

Don't like it? Down vote and move on. You all who think you're on some holy quest to stop AI from generating pictures LITERALLY NO ONE WOULD PAY FOR, need to realalize we are a progressive society, and that means things progress. Things change. If you don't like it old man, go out and shake your fist at a cloud.

Logical-Criticism-38

Lol, money doesn’t mean anything if the world and market doesn’t give a fuck about it. Some of you on here are completely delusional about bitcoin and its place in the world if an ACTUAL world war started tomorrow. Stop huffing for a minute and look at the world, realistically. Also, if the US experiences another civil war in the next 10 years, yeah - that will cause Bitcoin to sell because people will SELL TO PAY FOR WHATEVER THEY NEED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES OR TRAVEL from a hot zone.

vice96

Lol, to think the world isn't full of services that offer some sort of privacy.. that people **PAY** for. Monero just hasn't broken past its own barriers. Isn't able to market the need or desire for privacy in a meaningful way.

Mordan

> you need to physically approve the extraction from your device. OMG.. Ledger really sucked with this recovery stuff.. All for what? WHO IS GOING TO EVER PAY 10 usd per month for that idiocy.!<<!<!<!>!>!>!>!>!>!>?????

Unlikely_Emu1302

Dude.... You should tell her to put most of the money on blue chip dividend stocks.... like choose 5 bank stocks. and put 50K each, teach her about compound investing. explain that what she is buying now, is a retirement plan. Explain that she will likely die or be close and still own these shares. She will be earning, 1000 a month in dividends, Take that money and buy bitcoin, 12,000 a year, for the next 5 years.. Or till she owns 1 BTC Then back to dividend plays, 5 years into REIT, Then the div's will be 1800 a month, then buy another BTC fuck buy 2 at this point, even just only buy BTC forever at this point it wont matter, at this point even if her Jockey skills didnt work out she can probably do anything else, because she will have an income. teach her the idea that you buy a company, and it pays money, and you spend the dividends, and reinvest some, Even if BTC does moon, and you told her to buy 100K, and now its 1M she is going to not learn shit and the M will be gone, and so will the original 250K Like I get it I love BTC too, and I DCA, but bro this is a kids future, dont make her addicted to gambling by acting as if there is a big win waiting around the corner. like I said even if BTC 10X its still not enough to pay a salary for a lifetime, and what if it 10X then 10X then lose 90% of its value right when she needs the money the most, This is a kid we are talking about teach them values of investing not gambling, I am not saying BTC is gambling, but its a commodity not a company, and she wants to own things that PAY MONEY, like banks, REIT's, energy companies, then use the profit to buy commodities, like BTC, real estate. Not the other way around, thats gambling. and even if you help her go from 250 to 2.5 M its going to be gone before she needs it later in life, JUST an opinion.

AyyeImFitt

I think it would depend on what the USAs current stance on crypto is or what agenda they want to push during the time when those first sell offs do happen . If the banking & traditional banking system is still super ANTI crypto & looking to keep destroying it , they would make sure that money goes to high priority pockets because a narrative could be spun how "BTC IS HELPING PAY OFF OUR NATIONAL DEBT" which they wouldnt want , that would be greattt publicity for btc as a whole which they would hate . But if they just hurry up & accept it for what it is and become open with the idea that it is the financial system of the future then maybe that headline is actually something they would want and might actually do something like that with the national debt narrative

ActuallyTomCruise

OH NO... WHAT AM I GONNA DO??? HOW WILL I PAY MY DEBTS??? Oh wait... I am already Negative so it doesn't matter. MORE SATS

PianoSandwiches

The value of the $300 will change as the price of Bitcoin continues to move around. But every transaction creates a "UTXO" which is what you actually pay transaction fees for. So if you sent $300 out 3 times ($900 total), you made 3 UTXO's, then if you send all 3 to another wallet, you PAY for 3 UTXO's BUT you have now combined them into 1 UTXO in the next wallet, so the next time you move it, even though it's a bigger amount, you actually pay less for the transaction. So if you had $1,000,000 in Bitcoin that was 1 UTXO, moving it would be cheaper than $100 that was 10 UTXO's.

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Generalfro

This is how you build Wealth. Cut the fat and PAY yourself. Way to go!

thebizarreburner

I use turbo tax and It's ridiculous how I have to PAY $100+ just to amend a bitcoin profit of less than $10.

Lorfiliuce

Ummm did he forgot the entire silk road case? Where fiends would almost always PAY IN BTC?!

DogCallCenter

My favorite left-wing (and I am Left leaning) bullshit about bitcoin is that "it's just the rich getting richer" and "unfair distribution" Motherfuckers... ANYONE could buy it at ANYTIME over the last 10+ fucking years. Rappers were talking about it, nerds were talking about it, athletes were talking about it. But you had to be CURIOUS, you had to PAY ATTENTION, and you had to figure out how to get your thumbs from out your ass and do the fucking research. Being "poor" is no excuse for not paying attention and then crying later about "unfair distribution" - smfh!

MaximumStudent1839

>The fact that it’s culturally recognized is still valid. It is recognized in the sense that people recognize poop when they see it. To say "culturally recognized" means, it cultural sway and weight. lol. Much of crypto has no culture besides larping. The NFT sector is the worst offender. Everything is done under the guise of making money. >Doge. And that’s pretty hot rn. The fact you compared Doge with NFT larpers tell me you have very superficial understanding of the space. I have watched ETH NFT from 2021 until now. Paid attention to every move and BS! Doge has funny memes and engagement. Elon even replaced that the blue bird with the dog on Twitter. These are cultural tidbits. NFT larpers claim they want to support building the "metaverse", "IP", "crypto gaming" and all sort of BS. Most don't even get half way and call it a day. When the floor price stop moving, all of these KOLers just switch to the next hot pfp, no matter what has been built. Despite ETH NFTs projects have extravagent funding, they have made a much less cultural awareness and attention impact than memecoins. How many NFT blue chips done crazy stunts like putting a hat on the Wall Street bull? Nada. It is all about why floor price this and that. Talking down on others as "too poor" to understand their shit. And then when goes down, they lie about how money will rotate back into them. Yes, the ppl they ridicule would be the ones pumping their floor price. Lol the entitlement and copium... > Did you completely miss the part about cheap L2? Is it cheap? Right now, it costs $1.21 for me to send ETH from Coinbase to Arb. I have heard so much condescending and gaslighting BS from ETH maxis. Like, *"if you aren't willing to pay these "cheap" ETH L2 fees, you must be down so bad and should just leave crypto and give up."* That is the nauseating attitude from ETH maxis that has put a lot of us who used to buy ETH to want to pull a BIG MIDDLE FINGER AT YOU ALL! >You see a btc fee lately? Here is a nodemonkes purchase example on MagicEden: (41 minutes ago) [https://mempool.space/tx/29722af3100dab9ffd71e5603e0864ef370c1501438df1152555b67bf6616963](https://mempool.space/tx/29722af3100dab9ffd71e5603e0864ef370c1501438df1152555b67bf6616963) It costs $17.41 in fees on BTC. Within the same time, here is a MAYC purchase on Blur: (41 minutes ago) [https://etherscan.io/tx/0xfe0bd04aa100ef1868a2c9f09351af94ed95fa03a7c4430f6a6edca0e16a28a7](https://etherscan.io/tx/0xfe0bd04aa100ef1868a2c9f09351af94ed95fa03a7c4430f6a6edca0e16a28a7) It costs $100.64 in fees on ETH. No. Anyone who has used BTC/Ordinals know it is fucking more expensive on ETH than BTC. >High fees mean PEOPLE WANT TO PAY THOSE FEES The most funny part of ETH maxis is a whole lot of you don't understand how your fee market even works. It is not a real time bidding auction, as many want to claim. After EIIP-1559, fee is determined by LAST BLOCK's capacity and completely denominated in ETH. When market rallies, cascading liquidation of shorts often mean positions **NEED** TO PAY THOSE FEES. There is a funny analogy to this ETH maxis BS talk. It is like saying, the US has a housing crisis, because PEOPLE WANT TO PAY HIGH MORTGAGES. It is incredible gaslighting feed by the crypto bigwigs and higher ups to gaslight the entire low IQ group in this space. It completely ignores how it is due to ETH not scaling its blockspace on main net and artificially setting a price curve based on EIIP-1559. I don't believe most Americans would buy housing price is high because they *WANT TO PAY HIGH MORTGAGES.* Yet somehow, this nonsense is getting such a crappy pass in this space.

DiscoverCrypto_org

The fact that it’s culturally recognized is still valid. They might be ridiculous. You know what else is ridiculous? Doge. And that’s pretty hot rn. You’re talking about Gwei at 100. Did you completely miss the part about cheap L2? You’re saying people will go to btc because eth has high gas fees. You see a btc fee lately? High. Can you use smart contracts on btc? It’s not designed for that. High fees mean PEOPLE WANT TO PAY THOSE FEES. if they didn’t want to pay fees, the chain would be a ghost town and L1 fees would be, well, free

sherficent_Till_4526

Hey all'.., do any of you know app or website from where i can purchase/invest in crypto currency with my AMAZON PAY BALANCE or AMAZON GIFT CARD or any gift card..I got to know about paxful but can i trust that website..?

CapablePiglet1044

Hindenburd Research the famous hedge fund said that they would PAY Tether $1M to get audited as well as cover all of the audit fees. Tether has said that they would like to get audited but that they refuse to because audits are ‘too scrutinising’ (which is literally the whole point of an audit - to scrutinise in order to ensure there’s no material inaccuracies…)

klykerly

It still needs to be pointed out, I guess. EVERYONE. PAY ATTENTION HERE.

ozwald_97

I’d rather PAY $10 to have the daily pinned than that free $10 polymarket BS. Thank you.

SmoothGoing

Use your own money. If you have to borrow then you can't afford it. You can't afford a Bentley or bitcoin. So don't buy either one. Cancel the loan eh? This is some Biden speak bs. You have to PAY it back.

Buttcoinmodssuck

I use Cash App. Cash App did not send with such a low fee, YOU chose that fee. When you send Bitcoin with Cash App they give you three options, priority, normal, and low. Each option shows expected timeframes for receiving Bitcoin. You choose the cheapest option and that is the result. Bitcoin work by miners choosing which transactions to be included in a block. To incentivize your transaction being included quickly you PAY more. It’s a free market and money talks. You have no choice but to wait until a miner has such low volume that they are finally willing to include your transaction. Next time just pay the extra 2 and choose priority.

ilovesaintpaul

What really matters is whatever the quality of ppl he hires, he DOES'T PAY THEM. His lawyers are already starting to drop in droves.

memphisgoonz

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SpockSays

Also, regarding US citizens... USA is the virtually the ONLY country to impose citizenship based taxtion... So for example, a Japanese guy from Japan can move to El Salvador... and Japan leaves him alone. He can trade/spend bitcoin with 0 taxes. On the other hand, an American guy from the USA can move to El Salvador, and STILL HAS TO PAY THE USA/IRS on taxable gains from bitcoin. How crazy is that?

Educational_Speech58

Just keep holding make the ETF boys PAY BIG TIME !!!!!

Educational_Speech58

Just keep holding make the ETF boys PAY BIG TIME !!!!!

lordmcmora

You do realize the IRS is bigger than ever before? I used to shhhhh until that audit in 2010. Now we just know and PAY our taxes. IRS is the most powerful institution. They will levy your bank accounts and prevent your work in any US territory.

GoodSamoSamo

lmfao, it's called "staking" with a validator. Not "subsidizing" a validator. Literally no one in crypto has ever used the term "subsidizing" when talking about Proof-of-Stake staking because staking is not an expense, which is what is implied when using the term "subsidize" (to GIVE money to somebody or an organization to help PAY for something). Even then, so what? The Solana Foundation shouldn't do what it can to help bootstrap the network, like staking their SOL with validators to help further decentralize the network? Literally 50 IQ thinking. [https://x.com/0xMert\_/status/1709331062659117308?s=20](https://x.com/0xMert_/status/1709331062659117308?s=20)

socalmikester

PAY olo arduino (isnt that a name of computer?) says his USDT, also known as TETHER is worth just as much as a real american dollar. he prints all this unicorn fart tether, and sometimes line goes up. in the REAL world, COIN stock crashes...

socalmikester

PAY olo arduino and his made up tether. PAOLO is getting paid real money trading it for fake beanz.

BigPlayCrypto

Coinbase and many other exchanges make money I think illegally through the advantage of feeing the fuck out of everyone. I left CB almost 2 years ago and I will never return. My experience was realizing that they added fees for everything including when you swap coins which I thought was Ludicrous! I wanted to cash out one time and it said I had to swap to their coin and then sell which I then lost 15-20% of the value. Someone ie the geek behind setting up that scam on Coinbase should be in prison for life or at least revealed so we can get revenge. But I know that can’t happen so I left CB forever! FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER! I will Never use COINBASE AGAIN UNLESS THEY PAY ME BACK ALL OF MY FEE LOSSES AND SWAP LOSSES. Email me Coinbase

CallShawww

You see that’s my point I’m saying , how is that El Salvador I’m seeing strike receipts of 29.99$ worth of bitcoin isn’t that the whole point of switching to bitcoin to PAY IN SATOSHIS & not going based off a Deminishing currency ? You mightest we’ll keep spending in USD if your still going to have to transfer the same 29.00$ you spent for satoshis if they’re going based off of cash $

Tropic_Tsunder

yep. i barely have 1/5 of a BTC, but the ease and tax advantages of holding my BTC in a federally regulated tax free account in an ETF that is on a federally regulated exchange is more than safe enough for me. And the convenience is nice, but being completely tax free on gains is also a big win. I would have to PAY more taxes, have FEWER net BTC as a rseult, and incur a lot more complexity and points of failure (even if those points of failure are under my control for better or for worse) just to store on a cold wallet and own my keys. that seems like a hefty price to pay just for extra perceived security, which to me and my risk tolerances is negligible since im already about as confident as i could be that society wont collapse and i will lose some BTC.

Vossstok

By "poor people" I mean not already millionaires. And millionaires, most of the time, don't contribute to making an economy more productive, but instead find more ways to speculate, exploit it and make the system unstable. I'm was an asset manager by the way, and now I'm a business analyst, which means I've spent my entire career helping wealthy people and corporations making good financial decisions. I'm not against wealth, just bothered by people like you and Bukele who I guess never opened any kind of economics textbook and yet pretend to know what they are talking about, or that what they say makes sense. That government has an account with Bitcoin, which even if I love as an asset, is clearly unfit as a legal tender (for now) or as a denominator for their government debt (forever). They had trouble managing their currency, how effective do you think they are in keeping their population safe from invasions or maintaining order? Why on earth would a wealthy person want to have to PAY some additional fee to move there?

Gritts911

Don’t screw around with the IRS or you can lose a lot more time/money. Talk to a professional, not random internet strangers who may or may not know what they are taking about. If you owe the $50k then sell half your bag and PAY IT. Crypto could crash 50% next week and you won’t even have the money to pay anymore. The IRS bill is now. Possible future gains should not influence your decisions.

Rice-Fragrant

Where I work, the lowest payed highschool DROP OUT makes about $35-$40k. Everyone I know who works in skilled trades (mostly people with just a HS diploma or GED) making the same as most median college grads too, about $60-$80k. Very experienced skilled trades and big rig truckers make well over 6 figures, about the same as most people WITH PROFESSIONAL DEGREES. Don’t be suckered by the boomer propaganda. Go look up the numbers yourself at BLS . Gov or OPENPAYROLLS . Com website. Example. HIGH RISE CRAIN OPERATOR IN THE STATE OF GEORGIA MAKES THE SAME AS A STATE JUDGE AND THE SAME AS AN MEDIAN PAY PEDIATRICIAN! All your models on education are out of date and out of touch with the real numbers.

Rice-Fragrant

It’s not about the degree, ITS ABOUT MARKETABLE SKILLS. It could be a skilled trade, STEM etc… all that matters is that you need have a skill set that is well payed. For example, Walmart truck driver makes about $120,000 on average, no degree required where as a teacher makes about 1/2 of that but a degree is required. A unioned high rise Crain operator makes about $150,000-$200,000 or more, no college degree required… about the same as a pediatrician or pathologist but in $250,000 in student loan debt. I didn’t finish university but I had enough college credits to get a job as a lab technician and my income last year was about $55,000… slightly more than an average biology degree holder working as a lab tech. I already have a payed off house (thanks to dumping fiat debt coupons for hard assets) and zero debt… for a normie indebted person to be able to pocket the same amount as someone like me (debt free super saver), they actually would need to make almost TWICE AS MUCH in the same average cost of living state ($110,000) AND 4x AS MUCH in a high cost of living state like California to be able to DCA at the same rate. I pretend I am making rent/mortgage payments when I PAY MYSELF IN HARD ASSETS like bitcoin. Personally, I still want to complete my education, simply because I can and it wouldn’t hurt, I can easily afford it having a frugal life and lots of savings. There are TONS OF OPTIONS TO EDUCATE YOURSELF that did not exist a few years ago. Many reputable universities now have online options for working adults… some Ivy Leagues even offer online degree programs too via their extension programs. THERE IS ZERO EXCUSE TODAY TO NOT BUILD SKILLS… either university or trade school or self taught… you better get some skills. Just don’t be a dumb normie becoming a debt slave and wander why you’re living paycheck to paycheck. I have well educated relatives WITH NEGATIVE NETWORTH because they are drowning in debt. Education does not have to be exorbitant if you actually make a game plan.

brianddk

Universities and politicians are notorious for their unpaid intern treatment. I know plenty of students that would PAY out of pocket to work in our lab. Internships are basically required to have any hope of placement after your graduate work. Very few places can afford the millions of dollars in equipment that universities offer, so the demand for experience in a fully equipped lab is high and the supply is low.

HavocMMA

it just sounds like you copy pasted your third mainstream economic class, without ever thinking it through. because deflation is truly the evil? not at all, life and entropy will force you to sell as you need food, shelter etc. your own impulses will also make you buy stuff not strictly necessary. the economy wont die without inflation IN FACT, it will be the first time we see a real economy, not manipulated by endless credit. fiat and inflation create a rat race, which you are probably losing given how little you understand. most of your money, if not all, is in fiat, and is losing value BY DESIGN, so governments can PAY FOR WAR (and secondarily, things like roads etc) which means you are aquiescing to your own financial rape, and that of the whole world, in the name of never ending consumerism if merchants cheat their customers, is because inflation incentivizes them to, as things get constantly more expensive. the destruction of the world and its resources? done on credit wanna protect fiat some more? do you own a home? has the prices of homes quadrupled relative to your income, thus pricing you out of the real estate market, the main way the middle class tries to advance and secure themselves in the world. Thanks to fiat, the American Dream is dead, as stocks and real estate are inflated to hell. vietnam war, and every useless war ever since? fought on credit. look up Richard Ramirez, the serial killer. His cousin was a "decorated green beret" in Vietnam. But all that meant is he mutilated and tortured people, took pictures told his cousin about it, who then became one of the darkest serial killers in history. thanks to fucking fiat, the world has been traumatized beyond belief, as the demonically possessed "money masters" essentually use the printing press to make a world a darker, more depressing, but more easily exploited world. This is done by endless wars fought on credit, credit given to big companies like banks that do the government's bidding &#x200B; stop supporting the fiat regime, you are supporting war, robbery, rape, theft on a macro scale

Hour_Calligrapher_42

The only real concern you should have is using a device without a secure element. Ledger might be closed source, but they know well that anything but pure reliability from their devices would end up with their asses in a very bad place. Besides, if you don’t update and sign up for the recovery thing (Which, by the way, you have to PAY for… it’s a subscription) then you are using everything as it was before the offering of this particular ‘service’. Ledger is still a very useful and realiable hardware wallet.

Effective-Society-12

you add risk by paying taxes and losing out on tax sheltering your bitcoin. Keeping it in a brokerage has risk if the brokerage goes under. NOT holding it in a tax sheltered account holds risk if the brokerage DOESNT go under. If society doesnt collapse, you will have paid a safety premium and have net less bitcoin exposure than someone who didnt hedge against the collapse of a bank. So there is risk either way. Holding bitcoin in a cold wallet where you will have to PAY THE GOVERNMENT TAXES eventually carries risk in and of itself if you have the option to tax shelter it. also, if you live in america, have a job, own a home or own any other savings you are already exposed to all these risks already. so yes, if you have already packed up your life, purchased land abroad, moved away from america, divested all american held equity (literally impossible) and the FINAL step to completely cut yourself off from america is swapping to bitcoin cold storage, then fine. In this paranoid delusion you would be right to do that. but for anyone who still lives and works in the US, your life is literally already at total risk of everything you are afraid of anyways. so holding bitcoin in an etf adds no additional risk you arent already facing.

Generationhodl

I just like the fact that people PAY you to spam you. Imagine you get spammails in your mail-account but every spammail gives you some money.