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JuggaliciousMemes

This world has a lot of people. Even if all his subscribers and followers abandon him, theres an even higher number of people on this planet who haven’t heard of him and could potentially START following him the world is an influencer’s oyster

stormdelta

> The patent was to stop people copying at the START. > Now that the network has grown, there is no need to worry about copycats and such. Patents last 20 years, and I couldn't care less about Hedera's singular private network, I'm talking about the original concept of how it synchronizes merkle trees with gossip protocols. As far as I'm concerned, the useful parts of hashgraph have more in common with things like etcd than they do cryptocurrencies/blockchains/etc., so the entire concept of "the network" as a singular entity is a non-sequitur.

kazkdp

Sigh... You should check again then, shouldn't you? The patent was to stop people copying at the START. Now that the network has grown, there is no need to worry about copycats and such. So all the patents will expire and hold no value since the CODE and all the TOOLS are now open source since 2022. This was the plan from the beginning to make it open.

Gregoryonetulum

4.5 billion is a nice amount money to FUCKING START THE NEXT BULL RUN!

MrMogz

Not sure I agree with this strategy, bull runs START with BTC leading the way and most alts bleeding against BTC, even if they're increasing slightly in USD, usually you would convert the BTC to ALTs at that point, not the other way around.

FlashyAd8082

That's a good START

notsetvin

If you have no idea what you are doing, you should not START with investment. Everyone new should take an entire year to not invest anything and just observe and learn about the systems (no matter how many people scream that "its the hot new thing dont miss out") Too many people coming here day 1 with dollars in hand. Their entire paycheck or rent payment, come here and lose it all to a sexy reddit dm scam or something else stupid. People who are not willing to do research and take precautions have already lost before they even started. They just dont realize it.

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chuck_portis

It's high time the SEC accepts the reality that crypto is here to stay. Stop trying to regulate it to death. Crypto is un-killable. 2022 was the worst year in history for crypto. LUNA/UST collapse, FTX Fraud, tons of bankruptcies, Defi scams/hacks/exploits, stock market in turmoil. Everything went wrong last year and Bitcoin never came close to dropping below $10K PER COIN. It's time the SEC DOES THEIR JOB. PROTECT INVESTORS. You are not here to decide if an industry gets to exist. You are here to PROTECT INVESTORS. START DOING YOUR JOB OR HIRE SOMEONE THAT WILL. You were busy wining and dining SBF, the absolute worst character in the history of the crypto space. You missed the biggest fraud of all time. All while giving Coinbase, Kraken, Binance shit over minor issues. Find a better way to identify these frauds. Proof of reserves, proof of customer asset backing, proper audits. There are ways to do this shit correctly. The days of trying to just make the industry disappear need to STOP! Accept that you were wrong and START DOING THE JOB THE TAXPAYERS PAY YOU TO DO!

branddz

Incorrect. They talk shit about it but have been buying it FROM THE START!! THEY ARE NOT STUPID!

tallboybrews

If we were smart we would START selling at this price

GardenofSalvation

Nuclear weapons have had ranges that can reach literally the entire globe for decades now, back during the Cuban missile crisis it was a problem because both sides had far more accurate intermediate range missile systems which is no longer the case, secondly as someone else pointed out the baltics are far closer, thirdly russia invaded ukriane back in 2014 which predates nato support and would also guarantee that ukraine can't join nato (which funnily enough will likely be fast tracked after), fourthly why does Russia fear of being invaded and encircled count as a good reason to invade another country but ukraine litteraly being invaded by Russia in 2014 is not a good enough reason for them to be allowed to seek out foreign guarantees of their independence, why do all the Russia supporters place Russias right to not feel threatened above literally any other nation. Lastly I'm not sure why I'm even having this debate because it's over who's side is worse when one side has LITERALLY INVADED AND OCCUPIED INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNISED BORDERS TWICE AT THIS POINT HOW MANY TIMES DO THEY HAVE TO INVADE UKRAINE BEFORE YOU PEOPLE START TO SEE THAT MAYBE THEY ARE JUST IN IT TO GAIN LAND, like seriously from all the shit we can see its so blatantly obvious that A) they wanted sevastapol as a black sea port and B) they later wanted a land bridge to said port, this isn't even up for debate just look at the map of occupied territories for God sake.

BIGDADDYCRYPTO6900

I’m GOING to START A PETITION to renamed Bitcoin as Bitcoin Core and Bitcoin Cash as simply BITCOIN. No need to confuse people on whats the real functioning Bitcoin is….

meeleen223

Great time to DCA your time and effort into earning some Moons until $DCA-START becomes hot

at_least_ill_learn

For the people asking and not checking, his last name is Karony. May as well be Baloney though, with the sheer amount of garbage he's spewed and sheer BS he's pulled. The fact that a ton of things in crypto are getting hit by regulations and labeled securities, yet this guy isn't in prison and safemoon hasn't been taken down after the insane amount of evidence against it, shows how just ridiculous the system in the US is. HEY GARY, IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT CRYPTO INVESTORS, WHY NOT START WITH THIS ABSOLUTE DUMPSTER FIRE THAT"S SOMEHOW STILL GOING?

java_boy_2000

You shouldn't go "dark", that's loser protest mentality. Bitcoin is about building an alternative, not laying down or striking or protesting. Striking, going dark, laying down, protesting; this is all loser mindset which fundamentally is about appealing to the authority of someone else; this move is decidedly *anti-bitcoin*; it's madness of crowds, it's bending to what the fad is, it's "current thing" it's what's cool to do on reddit right now. If the new API rules are *really* a problem then you should just permanently shut this subreddit down and start something else, otherwise, stop with the loser protest and just carry on. I for one believe in the free market, believe that reddit, for as much of a filthy, CCP-run leftist piece of shit rag that it is, is well within its rights to charge users of it's server time for the use of that server time as is anyone and if you don' it t like THEN GO START YOUR OWN YOU FUCKING LAZY WET BLANKETS. You think server time is free? It's fiat mentality to just expect the universe to give you free API access. Why not propose an alternate idea where we acknowledge reddit has server costs and let's have the payment be in sats? No? Just loser protest going dark? Typical reddit soy boy mentality. I guess the mods don't actually understand bitcoin, if they did, they would understand that reddit is actually the enemy, and you want to continue to push bitcoin 24-7, you want to use this opportunity to push value for value, using bitcoin, using sats, not demanding "free" gibs like a bunch of welfare queens. Losers.

Adrewmc

Well. The problem is everyone forget how much work it actually take to take a fiat payment that is not cash. Getting a bank account, get a credit card use a bulky machine, or a website with a load of stuff happening in the background. The only thing is since do all of this stuff is so ubiquitous that every thinks of it as nothing. It is far easier to set up a wallet, and payment system in crypto, then it is to set up a credit card to make payment, and set up a way to receive payments is way easier in crypto then with cards. We need to change the conversation to that. That it actually is easier from *START to Finish*

castorfromtheva

The problem is there's no way to go enhanced config. They don't even want you to use the CLI and their whole product is designed like that. I mean it's fine when everything runs out of the box and the whole config can be done via WebGUI. But from my experience that didn't turn out to be sufficient. On top if you want to expose services to the outside the only way of achieving that with START9 is via tor. Which for some is a no-go.

castorfromtheva

Did START9 solve the issue, that every app that is hosted is actually only accessible via tor? Back in the days when I played around with it there was completely no way to access any of the self-hosted services via clearnet. Which in a lot of people's opinion is a bummer. Access via tor only for a lot of people is a no-go.

CanWeTalkEth

If they had remote access to his computer, it's not over. You need to lock all of his financial accounts down, you need to lock his credit down with the three major bureaus (I'm assuming you're in the USA), and you need to get going with a fraud report with the FTC: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/#/assistant Take some time off work. Tracking down what they had access to and might have access to is now your full time job before your dad is left with nothing. Sorry if it sounds scary, it should be unfortunately. **START WITH HIS EMAIL ACCOUNTS IMMEDIATELY** because if they take those over, they'll have everything.

Extreme-Cup1969

While the name certainly could benefit from a disassociation from inu tokens, I actually see a lot of effort being put into this project to specifically NOT be a worthless shit project. The entire crypto sector is a shit project at this point with no actual web3 framework and no institutional commitments. It's actually smart to go after the Asian markets because they're embracing crypto and the web3 tech on a government funded level as opposed to here in the US where it's an endless filibuster to stifle the sector. Hotbit exchange just shut down citing the difficulty to operate a CEX anymore. I'll support any project who develops their own DEX and wallets to support DeFi if it's carefully developed. Your favorite crypto projects are all basically go fund me fundraisers to give them money so they can START working on their ideas. At least this project is actually done with all their products and releasing them this year

YoMomsHubby

“What AN horrible mess” GREAT START

bigdickbetss

MONKEYS ON BSC IS THE REAL GEM! sitting on 63k mc right now, there are no dips only up!! Contract is as safe (as a shitcoin can be). GET YOUR DEGENRATE BOOTS ON AND START GAMBLIN!

Buffetwarrenn

What if governments come together and and START bitcoin mining….?

Super_Potential_7006

Eh they all kind of suck, coinbase rescinded thousands of new grad offers and internships the DAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO START because of poor crypto market conditions, despite knowing this 2+ months in advance. People had uprooted their entire lives to pretty much be told to blow it out their ass.

Buttercup-X

Since i didn't have the money back then START SHITPOSTING ASAP

Sjiznit

We nees you to stimulate the economy and joun the debt based society. We cant have you save up some money and be responsbile! START CONSUMING!

Geolinear

I feel like it took me 3-4 years of DCA to feel like I have reached a big amount invested. That was until realized that my “big” amount was usually what most wealthy people START with. Sigh. Nevertheless, I’m still here and still doing my own thing.

Sidivan

The meta verse existing as a virtual world you navigate with VR headsets is an incredibly stupid idea. I don’t want to go to Target and buy something. Why would I want to log into a virtual world where I still have to go to target and buy the thing? I just want to pull up a menu on my phone and buy my thing, like Amazon’s app. It’s extremely common knowledge that putting additional clicks between your customer and the purchase finalization dramatically hurts your sales. Why would I insert an actual distance I have to navigate just to get to the START of a purchase flow?! You might say “well, the meta verse isn’t just shopping”, you’re right, but without purchases there’s no revenue generation. Almost every single thing that can be done inside metaverse can be done outside meta verse with less bullshit in the way.

nichnotnick

I bet if I sun my NES out, I could still beat things in one life. That’s how much time I put into contra lol It’s just a matter of where to stand. If you do it right. You barely gotta even move in this game. ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️🅱️🅰️**START**

CoverYourMaskHoles

This is why I was happy that they weren’t creating their own coin. This is just now like every other fucking shitty crypto project. They minted their own currency and are selling it off rather than getting actual investment capital. It should DEFINITELY be illegal to do this. It’s an unregistered security and investors are owed nothing from the company. Arbitrum now gets billions for setting up a little Ethereum layer 2. This shit needs to stop. Get this through all of your thick skulls. MINTED THEIR OWN MONEY, SOLD IT FOR BILLIONS. And to cover their debts… THATS WHAT START UP CAPITAL IS FOR. But with start up capital they are actually beholden to their investors. This they can walk away whenever they want and tell everyone to fuck off.

s3nsfan

Everyone, START YOUR ENGINES!

salmaa4321

BREAKING: *U.S. STOCKS RISE AS BANKS RALLY TO START THE WEEK Get ready to see BTC breaking 30k today. Yes, you heard it first from me !

IbuyPEAKS

There’s only one thing for you left to do. START A FUCKIN RIOT!

omghag18

People talk about eth flipping, i am more interested in how many coins do Moons flip? SHIBA ?? A GOOD START?

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da_SENtinel

"Keiser currently claims to be a Bitcoin maximalist, despite having personally promoted a variety of tiny altcoins, including Quark (QRK), StartCoin (START), and his own ICO, MaxCoin (MAX). He remains a staunch proponent of Tether (USDT), Tether Gold (XAUT), and Bitfinex." Enough said.

dschapin

He has said it multiple times. Good god you are clueless. Here is a quote from freaking Fox News even they know “We in the Trump administration knew that it was Putin’s aim to establish Russian dominance and influence over all the old Soviet bloc countries, including in Ukraine…We kept the Nord Stream 2 pipeline from being completed, we withheld talks on a new START treaty, and we worked with our partners in NATO to increase defense spending and present a greater potential response to any act of Russian aggression. https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bidens-approach-ukraine-russia-wrong-start-mike-pompeo.amp Trump was increasing nato presence because they were trying to be in a position to deter and or deal with an invade of russias surrounding countries because they knew that he was going to do this. Because he has Done it MANY TIMES Are you living under a rock? Here is the guardian “It’s long been known that Putin hankers for a lost age of Russian dominance over its neighbours. Calling the collapse of the USSR the “greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century” is one of his most-quoted (and most misunderstood) historical judgments. In his speech, Putin reached back far further than the cold war to find his grievances. He stated clearly that the processes that led to Russia losing territory a century ago must be reversed. He pointed out what he said were “ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/22/putin-speech-russia-empire-threat-ukraine-moscow What would you do if Russia our biggest enemy, also run by a dictator. Was invading countries at will. And intent at regaining the ussr countries? You tell me.

szerted

Yesterday was a mess.. Surely, Russia's START withdrawal is a market-mover, but so hard? I don't even know what the markets are up to today. At least premarket is green

szerted

Well, premarkets seem okayish with reacting to Russia's START withdrawal. Could have another go at trying to break 25k. I think everyone is waiting for markets opening

szerted

Well, START withdrawal might be a formality, but it will still impact the market opening today. Pre-market seems to be okayish though

szerted

Wouldn't surprise if we dip below 23k, to be honest.. Hope there won't be an overreaction to START withdrawal

Tailgatingtradie

Russia withdrawing from START nothing major? You crazy.

karlizak

Honestly, the bull run takes a LONG time to start. I believe we bottomed, so I believe this is the START of the bull run. It has to start somewhere.

Simple-Programmer842

okay, i understand.. But i can tell you.. i was at the same point. I invested my own money, but sadly all i had.. As life plays out, i needed cash for stuff i didnt calculated with (as always in life) so i had to sell my bitcoin with a 200% gain.. sounds good.. but if i wouldnt had sold it, i would be a multi millionaire. Dollar cost average a few % to a set day every week or month.. stick with it and dont overdue, because you need some reserves as hard cash.. dont go in debt because its very hard to get out with fees and rates as high, especially with your credit score. learn about the credit score system, so you dont fall for the trap. the fees of overdue payments are extreme (i dont know the right words in english, im from austria).. nake a plam and stick with it. buy if all dumps.. buy if all peaks.. dont watch the gains and losses daily,.. most of the guys losing money in crypto do it because they need cash now and crypto dumped.. or they panic sell! OR: LIKE THE MOST OF EM: THEY START TRADING.. You WILL lose if you dont buy and hold.. trust me.

Raysti

I just asked it when the next bull run will start. It told me 2021. Seems legit. : When will the next bull run start? ChainGPT: AS A LANGUAGE MODEL, WHILE I CAN PROVIDE PREDICTIONS BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA AND CURRENT MARKET TRENDS, IT'S ESSENTIAL TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CRYPTOCURRENCY MARKET IS HIGHLY VOLATILE AND SUBJECT TO VARIOUS EXTERNAL FACTORS THAT CAN CAUSE FLUCTUATIONS IN PRICES. THEREFORE, ANY PREDICTIONS MADE SHOULD BE TAKEN AS ESTIMATES AND NOT AS A GUARANTEE. BASED ON MY ANALYSIS OF HISTORICAL DATA AND CURRENT MARKET TRENDS, I PREDICT THAT THE NEXT BULL RUN WILL START SOMETIME IN 2021. HOWEVER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONDUCT FURTHER RESEARCH AND CONSULT WITH A FINANCIAL ADVISOR BEFORE MAKING ANY INVESTMENT DECISIONS.

TripTryad

Damn they didn't even START legit? The balls on this guy to go up on stage and pop shit all that time about how much of a gamechanger they were and the whole 'unbank yourself' slogan 😬 Shameless.

carsongwalker

Go back to your pre mined shit coins and NFTs lol What I said remains true. Fiat can be infinite and spontaneously created but energy cannot. By the way, for my understanding, how do you START a staking network? If nobody has any of it, how can it be staked? Do you HAVE to have a pre mine? Seems like a feedback loop.

bigdickbetss

Seeing everybody so sure this isnt the start of a bullrun makes me even more convinced. THIS IS THE START OF THE BULLRUN. People talking like they know shit about fuck, when in fact noone knows shit about fuck.

icedank

It needs to go UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A B A SELECT START and then hyperbitcoinization will begin.

fishybiz87

Elizabeth Warren is a terrorist have you ever seen the crap she posts online... let's Chizzle those rights you american citizens have under the CONSTITUTION. REMOVE THEM ALL START FRESH no more corporate buy ins from now on... I know wishful thinking...

awningedgriffith567

most importantly, another Senate or house committee hearing asap to discuss the FTX START UP, FORMATION, PLEASE. RIGHT AWAY. PLEASE.

LayPessimist

And you can keep passing START and collect $200.

ryryrocco

⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️🅱️🅰️START

Funny_But_Inhumane

NO! Crypto is crypto, and if you hold all your coins offline you wont have to be subject to CENTRALIZED EXCHANGES and custodial wallets playing around with other peoples coins! If you own your coins YOU-OWN-THEM. If you have them in an app SOMEONE ELSE OWNS THEM. There is no need for regulation if you know what your doing. You didn't LOOSE any coins in FTX you never had them in there! I didn't LOOSE my coins in celsius and voyager, I NEVER HAD REAL COINS IN THERE TO START! It took me a long time to learn this, but now I understand why people keep money under their mattress. Ownership is a real thing, people fought wars over it. What do you own, really?

Lutastic

Most likely, I’ll START around retirement age, though if things are going very well at that point, I will most definitely keep some in, to maintain some amount of generational wealth.

IAmNocturneAMA

You got it - 0.5% would suggest FED is ready to START pivoting.

Jetjones

Don't get why you're been downvoted. For stats that START to be SORT OF realistic, you need at least a thousand respondants from random people in all age groups and class.

Nada_Lives

*Also, START ACTUALLY USING Bitcoin as money.* If you want Bitcoin to succeed, you have to start helping Bitcoin to succeed.

n1ghsthade

You don't pass START and get no $$

StraightFF

Robot.. bz.bzz.bz.. moon..farm..START

daveallyn2

No, because it would only cost $320k to START a node, not run it. IIRC, didn't you need 32 ETH to run a mining node? back when ETH started, it wouldn't have been that hard, or expensive. What this means is that most of the validators should be people that have been invested for a long time, and if New Blood wants in, they gotta pay up. Seems like good security to me.

563847293810

The generally overwhelming expectations that the merge will make the price go UP is a strong indicator that it will go DOWN. Personally I predict: UP UP DOWN DOWN LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT B A START

BrightSovereign

I think it's time you START investing and stop gambling. Don't let yourself be ruled by fomo. If 90% of your savings is in crypto thats a huge problem. Crypto is one big gamble and diversifying your coin holdings does not count as diversifying your portfolio.

Wassasas

So, I completely agree and disagree with you. 1. Inflation is 100% always due to a multitude of factors. Even in a hyperinflation environment where money printing is a clear and away main cause, there are still always multiple factors. 2. Also agree those factors are still unclear and their weighted importance unknown. However, 3. Money printing, when money is printed, is 100% always and every time one of those factors. That is literally the foundational definition of “inflation”: too much money chasing too few goods. When the money supply increases, the “good” is worth more of those dollars. It does not just change its proportional market value because some arbitrary force decided to print more money. That is all money is. A good. A store of value like anything else. And like every other thing on the face of the earth, if you have 1 million potatoes, you may be willing to give 10,000 of them for an iPhone. And be full and happy with the other 990,000. But, if you only have 100 potatoes. You probably aren’t going to be willing to trade more than 1 for an iPhone if you think you may starve to death in a month. Every single thing has a relative value. Money is no different. If you print more of it, the value of the current supply goes down. Yes, a market is infinitely more complex than that example. Yes, governments can print money and later potentially even have deflation, because there are many different variables. But none of those external variables are the printing of the new money. That variable points 100% of the time, absolutely every time, in one direction: inflation. No, ifs ands or buts about it. That is what frustrates me about this conversation. A.) it is overblown because of course there are many variables. But, B.) people START with the premise that people have to prove that the money printing contributed to inflation. No, no, no…. The money printing absolutely DID contribute to inflation. That is an absolute axiom. What people have to prove is that the money went to *forces* (people, institutions, programs, anything that can effect the market at all, etc) that actually diminished inflation MORE than it caused it. Because that is absolutely possible. But the logic and the thought process is wrong. The money printing was absolutely an upward inflationary force; however, what the money went TOWARDS could be a downward force. It depends. Judging on the fact that the government openly acknowledged that they misjudged inflation. I have absolutely 0% confidence they’re still on the net *good* side of the ledger. Almost certain they aren’t. But to what degree (+0.0001% to the full +8.5%) I have absolutely no idea.

DriveSlowSitLow

Yeah I think floor was a month ago or so. And this is the START of a slow rise. It’s not going hyperbolic and there’s no euphoria yet. Anything can happen tho

dirtydeez2

I heard he will except faeces for coins.. doesn’t even have to be human. START posting stool samples for FREE COINS! We’ve always Shrkeli put the Sh in Shitheaddicklickingbuttbreatheanimalfucker

someliskguy

This is so weird to me… if your buy price is $18k and it’s at $20k down from $68k, you missed your buying opportunity because of a measly 3%. Is your goal to sell after like 10% gain so this is a meaningful percentage? Big lesson in trading: if you’re thinking “it just needs to move x% and I’ll buy” and your exit price is significantly greater than x%… just buy it now or at least START to but it now. Same with selling. (Not saying the bottom is in, I just watch people miss things all the time because of mental trigger-conditions where the % difference would wash out if their theories on movement are correct medium/long term)

OurNumber4

For the millionth time. Funds are not able to be unstaked until the Shanghai fork around 6 months after the merge plus there will be an exit queue. I think a lot of people are waiting for the Shanghai fork to START stalking.

I-Know-What-To-Do

START Buy Move to hardware wallet Confirm everything went Ok Sleep for 5 to 10 years Check price again You are either rich or ditch END

michivideos

# START DCAing!!!!!!

n1ghsthade

Go back to START

ApplicationAny1434

That doesnt mean adoption will come. Next 15 years nothing will happen like last 13 years. IF BTC hit $1,000,000 and people only talking about Satoshis, that will be the START of adoption. There will be new youtube videos about Satoshi millionaires.

WeeniePops

Also, if you've been DCAing this whole time why on Earth would you stop now?? Now would be a great time to START DCAing.

Limunardo

*press START |>*

cclawyer

It is more than obvious to anyone who has lived through [the last 10 recessions](https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/past-recessions.asp), and [the growth in the supply of M-1](https://take-profit.org/en/statistics/money-supply-m1/united-states/) that that crypto has been a bubble-asset that seduced a generation of merchant bankers looking for new ways to squeeze a profit out of a market where there has just been way too much money for way too long. With the SEC clueless about what to do in crypto, in fact every day more seduced by the "industry", the Fed sighted systemic risk in the crypto bubble, and started throwing darts at the balloon. MONEY SUPPLY M0 IN UNITED STATES BY PRESIDENTS NAME CHG% START/END Donald Trump 2.21% Barack Obama 106.28% George W. Bush 178.35% Bill Clinton 65.90% George H. W. Bush 28.26% Ronald Reagan 76.18% Jimmy Carter 137.13% Gerald Ford 19.89% Richard Nixon 37.44% Always short on practical utility outside of the darkweb, where it competed with money laundering for its only serious use-case, cryptocurrencies have been transparently inflated by pyramid schemes that operated by seducing new buyers to buy and hold, most commonly by paying exhorbitant interest in tokens (aka worthless scrip) in exchange for hard fiat currency payments to acquire the allegedly valuable tokens. The first time I came across one of these lockup deals, while representing some crypto-investors who were obviously being seduced into paying fiat for crypto that they then gave up their right to withdraw, that the loss of liquidity was a big problem. A dollar ain't really a dollar if you can't spend it right now. In fact, if you can't spend it for five or six years, at current rates of inflation it's worth a great deal less! So acquiring illiquid crypto "currencies" by spending hard earned fiat cash has been a mug's game all along. The final chapter of crypto-cataclysm hasn't yet been written, but to those engulfed in the wreckage of the ongoing train-wreck, the endless boosterism of industry flacks must be infuriating. The OP has it right. If you're still sitting in crypto like a frog trying to figure out if the water's boiling, catch a clue -- it's way past time to bail.

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BradVet

Yep, all this technical analysis i see is pure bullshit. The wider economy is fucked right now, welcome to the START of bear season. Its going to be a long one

Socialist-Hero

17? I’ll START my buying in when it’s sub 10. This recession/depression hasn’t even started yet. We’re just seeing the cracks and Bitcoin has already dropped 70%

bitcoin_islander

Here's a tip from 2018-2019 veteran: If you plan to buy any alts at all, buy them at the START of the next bull run, not right now. Thank me later.

pard0nme

Nope. This is when you START buying.

TheMadViking99

START. Forget bull and bear markets I'm here for the Konami market

0bran

OP spreading FUD. CHECK SOKE FACTS BEFORE YOU START SPREADING MISINFORMATION ON THIS SUB pathetic

dcbinkowski

I think almost everyone who is smart would START from that opinion. I know I did. I mocked Bitcoin right down from 20K all the way to 6K in 2018... And I was positive it was going lower still... However, as a rational market observer, that's also where I began getting very "interested" in the trade due to its volatility and its upside potential. In late 2018 I decided the ultimate bottom "should have" been $1,000 (the descending triangle breakdown pointed right there). YET I knew if I did NOT start buying at 3,000 I could miss the whole thing trying to be greedy. So I began accumulating at 3,000. I decided to do nothing between 3K and 4K once I had a small position. I also decided I would buy more IF it either went BELOW 3K or ABOVE 4K. Because IF I refused to average up at higher prices - I would be left with an underwhelming position size. If it dropped below 2K I could get a really nice cost basis with even more swing behind it... So I bought the asset I had scorned and disliked (that's the first week or two BEFORE I read about how it worked, and became a PROACTIVE buyer, realizing the strength of the security and the ease at which its transacted). But before that time I did not WANT Bitcoin. I did not LOVE Bitcoin. But I did know that I could ill-afford to own zero of an asset that was undeniably pointing at a million dollars plus in the next 10 years. So I bought it as upside insurance against my former opinion being wrong. Once I owned it my opinion became obsolete. Opinions don't turn profits, positions DO. Downside risk ($3,000 per BTC). Upside risk ($1 million dollars per BTC) in 8 years, give or take. I may be one of few people who can become a millionaire by being "wrong", and yet realizing that it is ok to insure oneself against being wrong by disliking an asset, but simultaneously holding the asset. Because my disliking it does not alter what I see in the charts. It is an undeniable, unstoppable, exponential uptrend. Is it a bubble? Yes and no. It is a SERIES of bubbles built on a very orderly up-trend, at which there are MANY on-ramps in each decade (deeply oversold) to safely enter the trade. And few, violent mania peaks at which to distribute some of it and de-risk your trade... What differentiates the wealthy from the perpetually impoverished is our ability to realize that our opinions (even ones that are long-held opinions) do not change facts. And once you recognize in the logarithmic chart that Bitcoin is an exponential up-trend that has NEVER stopped its larger up-trend in 12 years (when you zoom out on the chart), you either get aboard, or you stay on the Titanic with the other 99.4% of the population who think its "less risky" to sink on the Titanic than to be rescued by a passing space ship. They deny the space ship's existence because they were told by the experts that space ships do not exist. And yet there it is. And the few people that step aboard the space ship are thought to be crazy, since space ships "do not exist". Space ships are also "risky" because they move fast and go VERY high. Everyone currently ON the space ship is dry, warm, and safe. But the sinking Titanic that the 99.4% cling to - is what the majority is familiar with and what they believe in - and so they are all content to sink below the waves while we just look down in pity, and confusion, as to why they do not want to be rescued... It is difficult to reconcile for us, because we keep hearing from their screams and their cries that they WANT to be rescued. But in reality they want to be rescued, just not by a space ship. Every opportunity they are given, they ignore the space ship and just keep scanning the horizon hoping another big boat will suddenly appear to off-load them. But there is no boat coming. No paradigm which they understand, to come and save them. Space ships may seem volatile because they move fast, and they go up and down. But they also have advantages of getting to new places at a million miles per hour... We did not originally WANT to be on the space ship. It is not what we know. It is not IDEAL. But we prefer the space ship to the icy grip of death that awaited us all on the Titanic. Make your choice early. And realize you have SOME TIME to change your mind... But with each passing decade the price will become more and more unreachable for you and anyone you know - who does not already own it. One day fiat millionaires will WISH that they had bought it, so they could afford to buy just ONE Bitcoin with all their money. But ... they won't be able to... Either hop on the space ship with us... Or have fun being poor.